Just dropping in to ask for a couple of definitions regarding botanical
terms.
If some kind soul would have a look at the following site
and taking the drawings as a,b,c,d, from the left and tell me what these
'parts' should be called I would be extremely grateful.

http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs21&d=05121&f=Botanica.jpg

I have checked 'The Language of Botany' by C. Debenham but it was too
technical for me as a layman to decide which way to go.

For instance I have been advised to call a : Inflorescence
I always thought this meant the flowering part of a plant.
Could this be used to describe the central column [stamen? stigma?] prior to
the stage where anthers were
swollen with pollen, if the petals were removed?

c. I have been advised to call this a Bud
- again I thought this was the pre flowering stage - relating to a young
flower. I have been advised to use this to describe what I would call
immature fruit ,[the stage before the seeds are fully formed and the
capsule is ready to open]

Thanks in advance

Gramma

Gramma schreef
Just dropping in to ask for a couple of definitions regarding botanical
terms. If some kind soul would have a look at the following site
and taking the drawings as a,b,c,d, from the left and tell me what these
'parts' should be called I would be extremely grateful.

http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs21&d=05121&f=Botanica.jpg

***
There are lots of parts here ...
* * *

For instance I have been advised to call a : Inflorescence

***
That would be wrong
* * *

I always thought this meant the flowering part of a plant.
Could this be used to describe the central column [stamen? stigma?] prior
to the stage where anthers were swollen with pollen, if the petals were
removed?

***
No, it couldn't
* * *

c. I have been advised to call this a Bud

***
It is hard to tell from the picture what exactly this is
* * *

- again I thought this was the pre flowering stage - relating to a young
flower. I have been advised to use this to describe what I would call
immature fruit ,[the stage before the seeds are fully formed and the
capsule is ready to open]

***
An immature fruit is not a bud.
PvR

"P van Rijckevorsel" wrote in message
...


Thanks PvR
You confirmedwhat I thought - I was advised badly

Gramma
Gramma schreef
Just dropping in to ask for a couple of definitions regarding botanical
terms. If some kind soul would have a look at the following site
and taking the drawings as a,b,c,d, from the left and tell me what these
'parts' should be called I would be extremely grateful.

http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs21&d=05121&f=Botanica.jpg

***
There are lots of parts here ...
* * *

For instance I have been advised to call a : Inflorescence

***
That would be wrong
* * *

I always thought this meant the flowering part of a plant.
Could this be used to describe the central column [stamen? stigma?] prior
to the stage where anthers were swollen with pollen, if the petals were
removed?

***
No, it couldn't
* * *

c. I have been advised to call this a Bud

***
It is hard to tell from the picture what exactly this is
* * *

- again I thought this was the pre flowering stage - relating to a young
flower. I have been advised to use this to describe what I would call
immature fruit ,[the stage before the seeds are fully formed and the
capsule is ready to open]

***
An immature fruit is not a bud.
PvR

Your first two show the androecium and gynoecium (male and female
parts of the flower) in two stages of maturity. The second two show
the gynoecium in two further stages of maturity.

"Inflorescence" is a term for the flowering part of a plant and its
associated structures--pedicels (flower stalks), bracts, etc. It does
not apply to any of these drawings.

"Bud" is an immature shoot (whether vegetative or floral) or an
unopened flower. It does not apply to anyof these drawings.

Does that help a little?

M. Reed



Gramma wrote:

Just dropping in to ask for a couple of definitions regarding botanical
terms.
If some kind soul would have a look at the following site
and taking the drawings as a,b,c,d, from the left and tell me what these
'parts' should be called I would be extremely grateful.

http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs21&d=05121&f=Botanica.jpg

I have checked 'The Language of Botany' by C. Debenham but it was too
technical for me as a layman to decide which way to go.

For instance I have been advised to call a : Inflorescence
I always thought this meant the flowering part of a plant.
Could this be used to describe the central column [stamen? stigma?] prior to
the stage where anthers were
swollen with pollen, if the petals were removed?

c. I have been advised to call this a Bud
- again I thought this was the pre flowering stage - relating to a young
flower. I have been advised to use this to describe what I would call
immature fruit ,[the stage before the seeds are fully formed and the
capsule is ready to open]

Thanks in advance

Gramma

--
ÿWPC5

In article , Monique Reed
writes
Your first two show the androecium and gynoecium (male and female
parts of the flower) in two stages of maturity. The second two show
the gynoecium in two further stages of maturity.

To elaborate, in this particular case the fused filaments of the anthers
are described as a staminal column. (I've also seen stamineal column,
but I think that that's archaic.)
--
Stewart Robert Hinsley
http://www.malvaceae.info

"Stewart Robert Hinsley" wrote in message
...
In article , Monique Reed
writes
Your first two show the androecium and gynoecium (male and female
parts of the flower) in two stages of maturity. The second two show
the gynoecium in two further stages of maturity.

To elaborate, in this particular case the fused filaments of the anthers
are described as a staminal column. (I've also seen stamineal column,
but I think that that's archaic.)
--
Thanks Stewart -

Would staminode also cover what you have described??
This was another word suggested by my botanical student friend

By the way - thanks to the links PvR posted
your site was particularly helpful in my project as I am
'doing' Alyogyne huegelii.

I hope to have the project finished by this Friday
Gramma

I am 'doing' Alyogyne huegelii'.

No DUH!!!

There was no need to be so sneaky about the subject with your original
posting.

BTW, Alyogyne huegelii is in the Malvaceae after all.


"Gramma" wrote in message
...

"Stewart Robert Hinsley" wrote in message
...
In article , Monique Reed
writes
Your first two show the androecium and gynoecium (male and female
parts of the flower) in two stages of maturity. The second two show
the gynoecium in two further stages of maturity.

To elaborate, in this particular case the fused filaments of the anthers
are described as a staminal column. (I've also seen stamineal column,
but I think that that's archaic.)
--
Thanks Stewart -

Would staminode also cover what you have described??
This was another word suggested by my botanical student friend

By the way - thanks to the links PvR posted
your site was particularly helpful in my project as I am
'doing' Alyogyne huegelii.

I hope to have the project finished by this Friday
Gramma

Cereus-validus..... schreef
BTW, Alyogyne huegelii is in the Malvaceae after all.

***
You are slow, but catching on
OP is way ahead of you.
PvR

Gramma wrote:

Would staminode also cover what you have described??
This was another word suggested by my botanical student friend

No. A staminode is a non-functional stamen, often reduced or modified
to be attractive to pollinators in some way (as in Penstemon.)

Who is giving you this poor vocabulary advice?

Monique Reed

"Monique Reed" wrote in message
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Who is giving you this poor vocabulary advice?

I'm ashamed to say it is another much younger botanical artist [and an art
tutor] who artistically is way, way more proficient than I am .
I had assumed he would have a better understanding of botanical terms,
but what he was telling me didn't ring true with what I had seen described
on other illustrations when I was trying to research the correct terms.
Thank goodness I didn't take him at his word.

Yesterday the botanical illustrator from our local Botanical Gardens had a
look at my drawing for me and she has been extremely helpful so coupled
with what you have all said I am happier with what descriptions to use.

Thank you all for your in put -

I've never been flamed before so even grumpy bum gave me a giggle.
Gramma

"Monique Reed" wrote in message
...


Who is giving you this poor vocabulary advice?

I'm ashamed to say it is another much younger botanical artist [and an art
tutor] who artistically is way, way more proficient than I am .
I had assumed he would have a better understanding of botanical terms,
but what he was telling me didn't ring true with what I had seen described
on other illustrations when I was trying to research the correct terms.
Thank goodness I didn't take him at his word.

Yesterday the botanical illustrator from our local Botanical Gardens had a
look at my drawing for me and she has been extremely helpful so coupled
with what you have all said I am happier with what descriptions to use.

Thank you all for your in put -

I've never been flamed before so even grumpy bum gave me a giggle.
Gramma

In article , Gramma
writes

Would staminode also cover what you have described??
This was another word suggested by my botanical student friend

No, a staminode is a sterile stamen, sometimes petaloid in form. IIRC,
Alyogyne lacks them. About half the old Malvaceae (clade Eumalvoideae in
recent works) have teeth or truncate extensions at the top of the
staminal column beyond the last anther; there's two interpretations of
this - either they're staminodes, or they're an outgrowth of a stamen.
(The corona of the staminal column of the Ceiba speciosa group
(Bombacoideae) is known to be an outgrowth of the 15 stamens.)

I didn't observe any staminodes in the diagram you referenced.
--
Stewart Robert Hinsley

Stewart Robert Hinsley schreef
(The corona of the staminal column of the Ceiba speciosa group
(Bombacoideae) is known to be an outgrowth of the 15 stamens.)

***
As most of the literature uses the name /Chorisia speciosa/ it might be
better to consistently list this as a synonym. Not sure how many people
actually switched, anyway.
PvR

Now Gramma Grass can party hearty for the rest of his spring break knowing
there are always naive suckers on the internet willing to do his homework
for him!!!! The bottom line Grass man: don't even think of trying to smoke
it.

Monique is such a malvaceous marshmallow but she doesn't even recognize one
of he kin when she sees it!!!


"Monique Reed" wrote in message
...
Your first two show the androecium and gynoecium (male and female
parts of the flower) in two stages of maturity. The second two show
the gynoecium in two further stages of maturity.

"Inflorescence" is a term for the flowering part of a plant and its
associated structures--pedicels (flower stalks), bracts, etc. It does
not apply to any of these drawings.

"Bud" is an immature shoot (whether vegetative or floral) or an
unopened flower. It does not apply to anyof these drawings.

Does that help a little?

M. Reed



Gramma wrote:

Just dropping in to ask for a couple of definitions regarding botanical
terms.
If some kind soul would have a look at the following site
and taking the drawings as a,b,c,d, from the left and tell me what these
'parts' should be called I would be extremely grateful.

http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs21&d=05121&f=Botanica.jpg

I have checked 'The Language of Botany' by C. Debenham but it was too
technical for me as a layman to decide which way to go.

For instance I have been advised to call a : Inflorescence
I always thought this meant the flowering part of a plant.
Could this be used to describe the central column [stamen? stigma?] prior
to
the stage where anthers were
swollen with pollen, if the petals were removed?

c. I have been advised to call this a Bud
- again I thought this was the pre flowering stage - relating to a young
flower. I have been advised to use this to describe what I would call
immature fruit ,[the stage before the seeds are fully formed and the
capsule is ready to open]

Thanks in advance

Gramma

--
ÿWPC5

Cereus-validus..... schreef
Monique ...doesn't even recognize one of he kin when she sees it!!!

***
ESP must be a wonderful thing!
Pity you don't have it but just make silly assumptions
PvR