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me AGAIN!
Just dropping in to ask for a couple of definitions regarding botanical
terms. If some kind soul would have a look at the following site and taking the drawings as a,b,c,d, from the left and tell me what these 'parts' should be called I would be extremely grateful. http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs21&d=05121&f=Botanica.jpg I have checked 'The Language of Botany' by C. Debenham but it was too technical for me as a layman to decide which way to go. For instance I have been advised to call a : Inflorescence I always thought this meant the flowering part of a plant. Could this be used to describe the central column [stamen? stigma?] prior to the stage where anthers were swollen with pollen, if the petals were removed? c. I have been advised to call this a Bud - again I thought this was the pre flowering stage - relating to a young flower. I have been advised to use this to describe what I would call immature fruit ,[the stage before the seeds are fully formed and the capsule is ready to open] Thanks in advance Gramma |
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Gramma schreef Just dropping in to ask for a couple of definitions regarding botanical terms. If some kind soul would have a look at the following site and taking the drawings as a,b,c,d, from the left and tell me what these 'parts' should be called I would be extremely grateful. http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs21&d=05121&f=Botanica.jpg *** There are lots of parts here ... * * * For instance I have been advised to call a : Inflorescence *** That would be wrong * * * I always thought this meant the flowering part of a plant. Could this be used to describe the central column [stamen? stigma?] prior to the stage where anthers were swollen with pollen, if the petals were removed? *** No, it couldn't * * * c. I have been advised to call this a Bud *** It is hard to tell from the picture what exactly this is * * * - again I thought this was the pre flowering stage - relating to a young flower. I have been advised to use this to describe what I would call immature fruit ,[the stage before the seeds are fully formed and the capsule is ready to open] *** An immature fruit is not a bud. PvR |
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Your first two show the androecium and gynoecium (male and female
parts of the flower) in two stages of maturity. The second two show the gynoecium in two further stages of maturity. "Inflorescence" is a term for the flowering part of a plant and its associated structures--pedicels (flower stalks), bracts, etc. It does not apply to any of these drawings. "Bud" is an immature shoot (whether vegetative or floral) or an unopened flower. It does not apply to anyof these drawings. Does that help a little? M. Reed Gramma wrote: Just dropping in to ask for a couple of definitions regarding botanical terms. If some kind soul would have a look at the following site and taking the drawings as a,b,c,d, from the left and tell me what these 'parts' should be called I would be extremely grateful. http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs21&d=05121&f=Botanica.jpg I have checked 'The Language of Botany' by C. Debenham but it was too technical for me as a layman to decide which way to go. For instance I have been advised to call a : Inflorescence I always thought this meant the flowering part of a plant. Could this be used to describe the central column [stamen? stigma?] prior to the stage where anthers were swollen with pollen, if the petals were removed? c. I have been advised to call this a Bud - again I thought this was the pre flowering stage - relating to a young flower. I have been advised to use this to describe what I would call immature fruit ,[the stage before the seeds are fully formed and the capsule is ready to open] Thanks in advance Gramma -- ˙WPC5 |
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In article , Monique Reed
writes Your first two show the androecium and gynoecium (male and female parts of the flower) in two stages of maturity. The second two show the gynoecium in two further stages of maturity. To elaborate, in this particular case the fused filaments of the anthers are described as a staminal column. (I've also seen stamineal column, but I think that that's archaic.) -- Stewart Robert Hinsley http://www.malvaceae.info |
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"P van Rijckevorsel" wrote in message ... Thanks PvR You confirmedwhat I thought - I was advised badly Gramma Gramma schreef Just dropping in to ask for a couple of definitions regarding botanical terms. If some kind soul would have a look at the following site and taking the drawings as a,b,c,d, from the left and tell me what these 'parts' should be called I would be extremely grateful. http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs21&d=05121&f=Botanica.jpg *** There are lots of parts here ... * * * For instance I have been advised to call a : Inflorescence *** That would be wrong * * * I always thought this meant the flowering part of a plant. Could this be used to describe the central column [stamen? stigma?] prior to the stage where anthers were swollen with pollen, if the petals were removed? *** No, it couldn't * * * c. I have been advised to call this a Bud *** It is hard to tell from the picture what exactly this is * * * - again I thought this was the pre flowering stage - relating to a young flower. I have been advised to use this to describe what I would call immature fruit ,[the stage before the seeds are fully formed and the capsule is ready to open] *** An immature fruit is not a bud. PvR |
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Now Gramma Grass can party hearty for the rest of his spring break knowing
there are always naive suckers on the internet willing to do his homework for him!!!! The bottom line Grass man: don't even think of trying to smoke it. Monique is such a malvaceous marshmallow but she doesn't even recognize one of he kin when she sees it!!! "Monique Reed" wrote in message ... Your first two show the androecium and gynoecium (male and female parts of the flower) in two stages of maturity. The second two show the gynoecium in two further stages of maturity. "Inflorescence" is a term for the flowering part of a plant and its associated structures--pedicels (flower stalks), bracts, etc. It does not apply to any of these drawings. "Bud" is an immature shoot (whether vegetative or floral) or an unopened flower. It does not apply to anyof these drawings. Does that help a little? M. Reed Gramma wrote: Just dropping in to ask for a couple of definitions regarding botanical terms. If some kind soul would have a look at the following site and taking the drawings as a,b,c,d, from the left and tell me what these 'parts' should be called I would be extremely grateful. http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs21&d=05121&f=Botanica.jpg I have checked 'The Language of Botany' by C. Debenham but it was too technical for me as a layman to decide which way to go. For instance I have been advised to call a : Inflorescence I always thought this meant the flowering part of a plant. Could this be used to describe the central column [stamen? stigma?] prior to the stage where anthers were swollen with pollen, if the petals were removed? c. I have been advised to call this a Bud - again I thought this was the pre flowering stage - relating to a young flower. I have been advised to use this to describe what I would call immature fruit ,[the stage before the seeds are fully formed and the capsule is ready to open] Thanks in advance Gramma -- ˙WPC5 |
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Cereus-validus..... schreef
Monique ...doesn't even recognize one of he kin when she sees it!!! *** ESP must be a wonderful thing! Pity you don't have it but just make silly assumptions PvR |
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"Cereus-validus....." wrote in message m... Now Gramma Grass can party hearty for the rest of his spring break knowing there are always naive suckers on the internet willing to do his homework for him!!!! The bottom line Grass man: don't even think of trying to smoke it. What side of the bed did *you* get out of today? Every newsgroup has one Sounds as though a good dose of liver salts would do you good. You are further from the truth than you know. Don't bother replying I will not see it. Gramma |
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"Stewart Robert Hinsley" wrote in message ... In article , Monique Reed writes Your first two show the androecium and gynoecium (male and female parts of the flower) in two stages of maturity. The second two show the gynoecium in two further stages of maturity. To elaborate, in this particular case the fused filaments of the anthers are described as a staminal column. (I've also seen stamineal column, but I think that that's archaic.) -- Thanks Stewart - Would staminode also cover what you have described?? This was another word suggested by my botanical student friend By the way - thanks to the links PvR posted your site was particularly helpful in my project as I am 'doing' Alyogyne huegelii. I hope to have the project finished by this Friday Gramma |
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Pitty the poor Rinkytink.
Do you have ESPN? "P van Rijckevorsel" wrote in message ... Cereus-validus..... schreef Monique ...doesn't even recognize one of he kin when she sees it!!! *** ESP must be a wonderful thing! Pity you don't have it but just make silly assumptions PvR |
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Every newsgroup has one and we have YOU!
You can't handle the truth. Actually had chicken livers and rice! Does that count? You won't seek through the cloud of smoke in your dorm room? "Gramma" wrote in message ... "Cereus-validus....." wrote in message m... Now Gramma Grass can party hearty for the rest of his spring break knowing there are always naive suckers on the internet willing to do his homework for him!!!! The bottom line Grass man: don't even think of trying to smoke it. What side of the bed did *you* get out of today? Every newsgroup has one Sounds as though a good dose of liver salts would do you good. You are further from the truth than you know. Don't bother replying I will not see it. Gramma |
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I am 'doing' Alyogyne huegelii'.
No DUH!!! There was no need to be so sneaky about the subject with your original posting. BTW, Alyogyne huegelii is in the Malvaceae after all. "Gramma" wrote in message ... "Stewart Robert Hinsley" wrote in message ... In article , Monique Reed writes Your first two show the androecium and gynoecium (male and female parts of the flower) in two stages of maturity. The second two show the gynoecium in two further stages of maturity. To elaborate, in this particular case the fused filaments of the anthers are described as a staminal column. (I've also seen stamineal column, but I think that that's archaic.) -- Thanks Stewart - Would staminode also cover what you have described?? This was another word suggested by my botanical student friend By the way - thanks to the links PvR posted your site was particularly helpful in my project as I am 'doing' Alyogyne huegelii. I hope to have the project finished by this Friday Gramma |
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Cereus-validus..... schreef
BTW, Alyogyne huegelii is in the Malvaceae after all. *** You are slow, but catching on OP is way ahead of you. PvR |
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Cereus-validus..... schreef
Every newsgroup has one and we have YOU! *** Oh my, somebody dares to ask a question! The Mighty Wax Candle must of course stamp out such impudence PvR |
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Gramma wrote: Would staminode also cover what you have described?? This was another word suggested by my botanical student friend No. A staminode is a non-functional stamen, often reduced or modified to be attractive to pollinators in some way (as in Penstemon.) Who is giving you this poor vocabulary advice? Monique Reed |
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