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Blue Heron
Bonnie in NJ wrote:
We thought the fishing line sounded good too - then we watched the heron tip toe over and thru the fishing line. We then moved on to netting the pond. That worked, although the heron was able to stab a fish thru the net but couldn't extract it. The fish did survive but does carry a scar. Now we rely on the motion detector and haven't seen a heron since it was installed. I bet you're happier dealing with the sprinkler than the net anyway. ;-) ~ jan ------------ Zone 7a, SE Washington State Ponds: www.jjspond.us |
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Blue Heron
"~ jan" wrote in message ... I bet you're happier dealing with the sprinkler than the net anyway. ;-) ~ jan ======================== Unfortunately the sprinklers wont work on the snapper turtles, water snakes, bullfrogs and Kingfishers. If the hose pops while you're gone for the day or a weekend, expect a large water bill. -- RM.... Frugal ponding since 1995. rec.ponder since late 1996. My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 Zone 6. Middle TN USA ~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö |
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Blue Heron
On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 10:57:14 CST, "Reel McKoi" wrote:
======================== Unfortunately the sprinklers wont work on the snapper turtles, water snakes, bullfrogs and Kingfishers. If the hose pops while you're gone for the day or a weekend, expect a large water bill. Well.... in this particular thread we were not talking about those critters. So let's not poo poo something that works, just because it doesn't work for you or your situation. ;-) As Kathy said in her post, each pond is unique and not every pond is like mine or yours. Thus when it is a heron or any critter the size of a robin on up that stands by the pond, sprinklers DO work. I'm sure it goes off when the Kingfisher strikes, but the bird probably is too fast in dive mode to be diverted. As far as the hose popping off, I've NEVER had that happen in the years I was using a hose. To free up use of a hose though, DS hard piped all my motion sprinkler connections and put the pipe under ground directly to the spot I wanted. I've been using 2 of them now between 5-7 years, never a problem. No different in my mind than running ones automated sprinklers. And as far as going OOT, one should ALWAYS have a pond sitter anyway. Now let's talk about the cons of nets: Ugly, unless it is possible to make it taunt. In the way, unless one can put it high overhead. Too low the heron strikes thru and the plants grow thru and get tangled. If not taunt enough leaves lay on it and droop into the water, gill netting fish or just polluting the water like a tea bag. If too high, or any accidental openings, a heron will fly in and walk under. Shall I go on? I have some real ponders stories I could share. ~ jan ------------ Zone 7a, SE Washington State Ponds: www.jjspond.us |
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Blue Heron
On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:41:59 CST, ~ jan wrote:
... Ugly, unless it is possible to make it taunt. ... That's a pretty novel idea. What should the net taunt? Predators? The owner? -- Galen Hekhuis I may have mispoken |
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Blue Heron
Galen wrote What should the net taunt? Predators?
The owner? LOL! Oh, the owner, definitely. k :-) |
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Blue Heron
Galen wrote What should the net taunt? Predators?
The owner? LOL! Oh, the owner, definitely. k :-) If the net isn't TAUT it taunts the owner. When it is taut it taunts the predators. :-p Now y'all stop taunting me. ~ jan :-) ------------ Zone 7a, SE Washington State Ponds: www.jjspond.us |
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Blue Heron
"Galen Hekhuis" wrote in message ... On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:41:59 CST, ~ jan wrote: ... Ugly, unless it is possible to make it taunt. ... That's a pretty novel idea. What should the net taunt? Predators? The owner? ========================= She means very tight. :-) She's apparently seen sloppily netted ponds where the net is loose and falling in the water. I've seen one like that myself. Where I live you either net your pond or give up on fish. -- RM.... Frugal ponding since 1995. rec.ponder since late 1996. My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 Zone 6. Middle TN USA ~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö |
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Blue Heron
From Carol
"Galen Hekhuis" wrote in message ... On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:41:59 CST, ~ jan wrote: ... Ugly, unless it is possible to make it taunt. ... That's a pretty novel idea. What should the net taunt? Predators? The owner? ========================= She means very tight. :-) She's apparently seen sloppily netted ponds where the net is loose and falling in the water. I've seen one like that myself. Where I live you either net your pond or give up on fish. -- RM.... Frugal ponding since 1995. rec.ponder since late 1996. My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 Zone 6. Middle TN USA ~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö |
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Blue Heron
In my travels thru internet ponding I've read some unique and interesting solutions to heron problems.... ~ the human/dog solution. This fellow decided the heron would be scared of dogs and so he decided to make like a dog. Dropped down on all fours and barked like a dog. Lacks dignity. ~ the SUV solution. One woman got so incensed at seeing the heron at her pond when she arrived home that she drove her SUV thru a rockwall in her landscaping to get to the bird without having to park the SUV. Expensive. ~ the naked ponder solution. One woman, taking a shower, peeked thru her bathroom window and spotted a heron at her pond. She leaped out of the shower, dashed from the house and screeched at the heron in all her birthday suit glory. Danger of being posted on UTube. k :-) |
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Blue Heron
On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 11:40:31 CST, k wrote:
and screeched at the heron in all her birthday suit glory. Danger of being posted on UTube. LOL! A fear we didn't have just a few years ago. ~ jan ------------ Zone 7a, SE Washington State Ponds: www.jjspond.us |
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Blue Heron
"~ jan" wrote in message ... As far as the hose popping off, I didn't say popping off. The hose it self splits or "pops". I've even had expensive hoses split, not just the cheapos from K-Mart. We never leave pressure on a hose anymore. I've NEVER had that happen in the years I was using a hose. To free up use of a hose though, DS hard piped all my motion sprinkler connections and put the pipe under ground directly to the spot I wanted. This is an excellent idea for those with the expertise to it. I've been using 2 of them now between 5-7 years, never a problem. No different in my mind than running ones automated sprinklers. And as far as going OOT, one should ALWAYS have a pond sitter anyway. I wish we could find a pond sitter. You can't even find teens who want to make a few bucks anymore. :-( Now let's talk about the cons of nets: Ugly, unless it is possible to make it taunt. In the way, unless one can put it high overhead. It is in the way if you're the type to enter your pond quote often, something I don't do. When necessary to enter one of the ponds, we pull the net back. That takes about 3 to 4 minutes. And no, it's not something I would want to do once or twice a day. Too low the heron strikes thru and the plants grow thru and get tangled. If not taunt enough leaves lay on it and droop into the water, gill netting fish or just polluting the water like a tea bag. This is a problem as some people do pull the net too low. Easily cured with those dark green garden fences at Wal*Mart. As for polluting the water like a teabag.... the leaves that fall in with no net do the same thing. Motion sprinklers don't stop the leaves falling to the bottom and rotting. If too high, or any accidental openings, a heron will fly in and walk under. The net is pulled over the garden fence or whatever the person uses and secured to the ground. That's how it keeps out the snappers, large snakes, coons, bullfrogs, water birds and the neighbors cats, dogs and kids. ;-) Shall I go on? I have some real ponders stories I could share. ~ jan No need to go on Jan. You never saw a pond "correctly" netted. I can understand that if you don't have all these predators where you live. Some of us are coping with a lot more than an occasional heron. -- RM.... Frugal ponding since 1995. rec.ponder since late 1996. My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 Zone 6. Middle TN USA ~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö |
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Blue Heron
No need to go on Jan. You never saw a pond "correctly" netted.
I have seen many a pond "correctly" netted, thankyouverymuch. President of my club has her whole back yard netted using the top of her 6 foot fence and wire cables. When I say correctly though, I mean a pond that is still easy to get to and not net blocking the view. As far as leaves in the pond with a sprinkler, easily taken care of with skimmer, or skimmer net. True Fall is a whole different discussion, and too early in the season to go there. I can understand that if you don't have all these predators where you live. Some of us are coping with a lot more than an occasional heron. But we weren't trying to solve your problem. That's what gets me, someone asks for suggestions, and if anything other than a net is suggested you jump all over it in the negative. Give them the positive about your solution, and let me do so also. Thank you, ~ jan ------------ Zone 7a, SE Washington State Ponds: www.jjspond.us |
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"~ jan" wrote in message ... But we weren't trying to solve your problem. Jan, the man from the wildlife service told me some years ago that where they are herons there are usually other fish predators. If someone's fish are disappearing it's not necessarily all the work of the heron they spotted fishing on their berm one day. They can spend $100 on a motion sprinkler just to find fish still going missing. Nothing wrong with recommending the sprinklers but I think they should be aware that herons may not be the only one feasting at their pondside. That's what gets me, someone asks for suggestions, and if anything other than a net is suggested you jump all over it in the negative. See above. Give them the positive about your solution, and let me do so also. Thank you, ~ jan I just want them to realize they may have more than herons to contend with. They may buy one or more motion sprinklers just to find the fish are still going missing - and why. -- RM.... Frugal ponding since 1995. rec.ponder since late 1996. My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 Zone 6. Middle TN USA ~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö |
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Blue Heron
On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 18:25:11 CST, "Reel McKoi"
wrote: I just want them to realize they may have more than herons to contend with. They may buy one or more motion sprinklers just to find the fish are still going missing - and why. IMHO, you could have stated that without addressing me personally, or what you perceive as flaws in my suggestions. That's where I'm coming from. I was addressing the OP, who's daughter SAW the heron. And Kathy covered the various other critters and solutions, also. All I ask, is state your solutions, comments, etc. and leave my comments, opinions, or guessing what I've seen or not see, out of it. I'd really appreciate that. Otherwise I feel I'm being jab. If you feel you need to add more than what the OP asked for, perhaps a whole new thread would be to all our benefit? ~ jan ------------ Zone 7a, SE Washington State Ponds: www.jjspond.us |
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Blue Heron
I bet you're happier dealing with the sprinkler than the net anyway. ;-) ~ jan ------------ Zone 7a, SE Washington State Ponds:www.jjspond.us We've all gotten sprinkled - don't mind it especially in the heat. It's much better than looking at the netting. Bonnie NJ |
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