~ jan wrote:

On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:21:28 CST, chatnoir
wrote:

Try putting in Columbia River and Salmon in search engines and you
will see there is a problem there!

Well there are lots of sides to that story, any who do you believe
complexes.

I'm afraid I can't make any sense of that sentence.

I'll get real worried about salmon when it is no longer in most
every grocery store for everyone's dinner table. ~ jan

?? You'll never know if that's your criteria. Atlantic Salmon is available
everywhere, but it's all farmed. It's long past time to worry about the
health of the wild Atlantic Salmon population (even if you believe that
there is still such a thing as a wild Atlantic Salmon).
--
derek

Derek Broughton wrote:



?? You'll never know if that's your criteria. Atlantic Salmon is available
everywhere, but it's all farmed. It's long past time to worry about the
health of the wild Atlantic Salmon population (even if you believe that
there is still such a thing as a wild Atlantic Salmon).

I concur. Wild Salmon are under threat and very expensive to buy in the
shops. It is the farming of Salmon that has made the fish abundant and
affordable in the supermarkets. The diversion of rivers, pollution of
natural habitat and the escape of farm bred Salmon (as has recently
happened in the UK) all add up to significant threats to the wild
population....

Gill

The story of salmon in the PNW has decades
of material behind it. It involves the hydro-electric industry,
irrigation, sport fishermen, fish farmers and Native American rights.
It is beyond complicated...full of politics, sturm und drang
and all messed up.

In our store salmon is marked farm, wild and, only
in early summer, Copper River (from British Columbia
and the very best).
It is also marked 'color added', in some instances, which is rather
alarming.
k :-)

k wrote:

In our store salmon is marked farm, wild and, only
in early summer, Copper River (from British Columbia
and the very best).
It is also marked 'color added', in some instances, which is rather
alarming.
k :-)

Except that they found that 70% of "Wild" marked salmon were farmed.
Costco, among other's, got fined. Probably a pittance compared to the
larger profit from mismarked goods. The red color in "Wild" is from the
crustaceans they eat in the ocean, the farmed essentially eat wheat and
corn and therefore are white inside.

Chip

Found this funny column from 2003
about the dying salmon.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/123199_dye23.html

I checked the salmon at Albertson's today.
Atlantic Farm Salmon at $5.99 lb.
Wild Alaska Salmon at $8.99 lb.
Next step will be to do a taste test and see
if the family can tell any difference between
them and which one they prefer.

k :-)

k wrote:

Next step will be to do a taste test and see
if the family can tell any difference between
them and which one they prefer.

I look forward to the results!
--
derek

"k" wrote in
I checked the salmon at Albertson's today.
Atlantic Farm Salmon at $5.99 lb.
Wild Alaska Salmon at $8.99 lb.
Next step will be to do a taste test and see
if the family can tell any difference between
them and which one they prefer.


I think I can predict it. The Atlantic farm raised salmon will be the least
tasty. Atlantic salmon, even wild, are less tasty than the PNW ones. The
real sild salmon from the PNW are stupendous, and even the farm raised are
better than every other sort. If you family cannot tell the difference, then
feed them the cheaper stuff!

Michael
New Orleans, Louisiana USA
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MLF wrote:


"k" wrote in
I checked the salmon at Albertson's today.
Atlantic Farm Salmon at $5.99 lb.
Wild Alaska Salmon at $8.99 lb.
Next step will be to do a taste test and see
if the family can tell any difference between
them and which one they prefer.


I think I can predict it. The Atlantic farm raised salmon will be the
least tasty. Atlantic salmon, even wild, are less tasty than the PNW ones.

You'll get a lot of argument on that. Most Salmon lovers I know insist that
wild Atlantic salmon tastes much better than either farmed or Pacific
salmon. I'm not taking sides - I'm not that fond of Salmon in the first
place :-) Also, note that I live on the Atlantic coast, and there's a fair
possibility that the people I know have some bias!
--
derek

"Derek Broughton" wrote
I think I can predict it. The Atlantic farm raised salmon will be the
least tasty. Atlantic salmon, even wild, are less tasty than the PNW
ones.

You'll get a lot of argument on that. Most Salmon lovers I know insist
that
wild Atlantic salmon tastes much better than either farmed or Pacific
salmon. I'm not taking sides - I'm not that fond of Salmon in the first
place :-) Also, note that I live on the Atlantic coast, and there's a
fair
possibility that the people I know have some bias!


Actually, I don't think there is any "wild" Atlantic salmon any more. There
never was very much, and I think that all of the so-called Atlantic salmon
now days is farmed. There is a fair amount of wild PNW salmon, but as your
survey found, it ain't cheap and it's only available are certain times of
the year.


Michael
New Orleans, Louisiana USA
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On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 11:21:48 CST, Derek Broughton
wrote:

Well there are lots of sides to that story, any who do you believe
complexes.

I'm afraid I can't make any sense of that sentence.

Yea, neither can I. :-/ I'd put in a long day and shouldn't have been
typing.

I think I was trying to say, there are many scientific sides to this
complex story, and the lay person is left with "who do you believe"
questioning. IMHO. Wild salmon, farm salmon, in my personal opinion, darn
close to call. By any other name, is a salmon not a salmon? ;-) ~ jan
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Zone 7a, SE Washington State
Ponds: www.jjspond.us

~ jan wrote:

On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 11:21:48 CST, Derek Broughton
wrote:

Well there are lots of sides to that story, any who do you believe
complexes.

I'm afraid I can't make any sense of that sentence.

Yea, neither can I. :-/ I'd put in a long day and shouldn't have been
typing.

I think I was trying to say, there are many scientific sides to this
complex story, and the lay person is left with "who do you believe"
questioning. IMHO. Wild salmon, farm salmon, in my personal opinion, darn
close to call. By any other name, is a salmon not a salmon? ;-) ~ jan

I agree, and I don't have a problem with the concept of salmon farming
itself - but there are just too darn few Atlantic Salmon left in the wild.
We're never going to let Salmon become extinct, because we _can_ farm them,
but we're letting many of the rivers die where they should be living.

(fwiw, no, your Pacific Salmon aren't _really_ Salmon! They're
Oncorhynchus, not Salmo :-) )
--
derek