Phyllis and Jim wrote:
If your fountain has no living things in it, you can use an algecide
to keep it clear. You will still have to clean out the muck.

Jim


The trees a quite a ways off, but it was full of algae, mud, sand, and
tadpoles.

I will now use an algaecide to keep it clear, but it the muck that
builds up that I was hoping to filter, out mainly mud and sand.

Sheila

On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:29:55 EDT, Sheila wrote:


The trees a quite a ways off, but it was full of algae, mud, sand, and
tadpoles.

What did you do with the tadpoles?

builds up that I was hoping to filter, out mainly mud and sand.

Is it real dusty around you, or has it been a long time since the last
clean out? ~ jan
------------
Zone 7a, SE Washington State
Ponds: www.jjspond.us

~ jan wrote:
On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:29:55 EDT, Sheila wrote:

The trees a quite a ways off, but it was full of algae, mud, sand, and
tadpoles.

What did you do with the tadpoles?

builds up that I was hoping to filter, out mainly mud and sand.

Is it real dusty around you, or has it been a long time since the last
clean out? ~ jan
------------
Zone 7a, SE Washington State
Ponds: www.jjspond.us


The tadpoles were fished out and put in a neighbor real pond that is a
couple acres in area.

We get a lot of dust when we mow the lawn, and it hasn't been cleaned
for 2 years. I broke my arm last summer and was not able to cope with
cleaning it.

Sheila

The tadpoles were fished out and put in a neighbor real pond that is a
couple acres in area.

We get a lot of dust when we mow the lawn, and it hasn't been cleaned for
2 years. I broke my arm last summer and was not able to cope with
cleaning it.

Sheila


Wow, where do you live and how short do you cut your lawn? Of course DH
wears a lawn mask when he mows and be the end of the season I throw it out
(he would just continue wearing it in its blackened state). Still I have a
hard time imagining that kind of dust being kicked up from mowing a lawn and
I grew up in the southwest.

On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 09:50:14 EDT, "D Kat"
wrote:


The tadpoles were fished out and put in a neighbor real pond that is a
couple acres in area.

We get a lot of dust when we mow the lawn, and it hasn't been cleaned for
2 years. I broke my arm last summer and was not able to cope with
cleaning it.

Sheila


Wow, where do you live and how short do you cut your lawn? Of course DH
wears a lawn mask when he mows and be the end of the season I throw it out
(he would just continue wearing it in its blackened state). Still I have a
hard time imagining that kind of dust being kicked up from mowing a lawn and
I grew up in the southwest.

Don't have a lawn, then you won't have to mow it, among other things.
Virtually every covenant or neighborhood agreement can be gotten
around, so don't even consider whining about that. If we didn't have
lawns, we wouldn't waste thousands of gallons of water to sprinkle on
them, we wouldn't waste oodles of gallons of gas cutting them, not to
mention what the exhaust and dust does to our atmosphere (lungs). How
many millions of dollars are spent on lawn mowers, fertilizers, etc.?
How many times have you heard at a funeral that so-and-so was a rotten
individual, but he/she kept a nice lawn, or the converse, that
so-and-so was terrific in so many ways, but they sure kept a crappy
lawn? Often people ask, what can we do as individuals? Not having
lawns is a pretty good start.

Yeah, but....
Boy, does it sure wreak havoc in your basic
suburban neighborhood.

The weed seed from the dead lawn across the
street from us is a menace. One fellow is trying
to sell his house and it sure doesn't help to have
this dead lawn making the neighborhood look
tired and uncared for. The neighborhood is helping
out and I hope we can rescue it.

Changing planting to xeriscaping is an idea. There are
lots of good ideas out there. You don't have to have a
lawn but you should not create a problem.

Now country living - anything goes!!

k :-)

On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 12:56:37 EDT, kathy wrote:

Yeah, but....
Boy, does it sure wreak havoc in your basic
suburban neighborhood.

The weed seed from the dead lawn across the
street from us is a menace. One fellow is trying
to sell his house and it sure doesn't help to have
this dead lawn making the neighborhood look
tired and uncared for. The neighborhood is helping
out and I hope we can rescue it.

That's kind of a false dichotomy. It just isn't true that the only
two choices are a well-tended lawn and a seedy, weed infested, dying
lawn. There are oodles of things you can do.

Changing planting to xeriscaping is an idea. There are
lots of good ideas out there. You don't have to have a
lawn but you should not create a problem.

Now country living - anything goes!!

True.

To me nothing is worse than a 'lawn' gone bad. Meadows, prairies, natural
grasslands are wonderful and filled with life -- Astro-turf or the lawns
made to look like it, not so much. There really is no reason a suburban
'yard' cannot be an environmentally friendly landscape. A well establish
garden that is appropriate for the local climate is almost care free. A cut
grass lawn takes a huge amount of resource in time and chemicals to look
good and it is almost a sterile habitat. I can understand wanting to have a
play area for children but it would be so much better if every
block/neighborhood had a common 'lawn/playground' and houses created
wildlife friendly gardens.

I live in the suburbs of NY long island where many of the houses (very
costly ones at that) have rather dull large expanses of lawn and foundation
plantings that are clipped into ugly cubes. When we first moved here, the
area I liked most had little if any lawns but had many trees and a great
many hostas, mountain laurel, rhodies and azaleas. We could not find a
place there which we could afford and ended up in one of the development
tracks of houses built on flat farmlands. The soil was dead because the
builders had dumped the dirt dug out for the basement on top of the topsoil
and the lawn had done nothing to increase the topsoil over 30 years. For
the last 17 years I have been planting trees and shade gardens and slowly
but surely eliminating lawn. In the fall I gather up the leaves (mine and
the neighbors) and put them everywhere I can. My yard is filled with birds,
dragonflies, butterflies, assorted wild mammals, lots and lots of worms,
etc. None of those things were here when we first moved in. I live in an
area with large areas of sea water but fresh water is needed for the local
wildlife and my ponds work well for that. In the Midwest many farmers put
in ponds and it greatly improved the survival chances of migrating water
birds. Personally I think most people should lived in cities (and our
cities were designed to be people and animal friendly) and more land was set
aside for natural environments. I do not have high expectations but who
knows. Every new generation moves us forward a tad.

Donna

"kathy" wrote in message
...
Yeah, but....
Boy, does it sure wreak havoc in your basic
suburban neighborhood.

The weed seed from the dead lawn across the
street from us is a menace. One fellow is trying
to sell his house and it sure doesn't help to have
this dead lawn making the neighborhood look
tired and uncared for. The neighborhood is helping
out and I hope we can rescue it.

Changing planting to xeriscaping is an idea. There are
lots of good ideas out there. You don't have to have a
lawn but you should not create a problem.

Now country living - anything goes!!

k :-)

Galen Hekhuis wrote:
Often people ask, what can we do as individuals? Not having
lawns is a pretty good start.

How about a 20' X 20' patch for the dog to wheedle on? When I do cut
it, it is with an elecric mower.

BTW, most of the ground cover in the AZ desert is now rock. Some damn
people from back East (read: Chicago and the Midwest)still insist on
trying to grow grass in the middle of a desert. Phooey! Some brave
neighbors even sowed desert wildflowers in their dirt front yard. Looks
great for about 2wks a year, but kinda weedy the rest of the time. But
the HOA hasn't stopped them.

Chip

Absolutely agree except we don't water or put chemicals on our lawn (well DH
puts anti crabgrass on it but that isn't really a harmful chemical). Still
every year I manage to get inch by inch put into shrubs, trees, flowers,
etc.
Donna

"Galen Hekhuis" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 09:50:14 EDT, "D Kat"
wrote:


The tadpoles were fished out and put in a neighbor real pond that is a
couple acres in area.

We get a lot of dust when we mow the lawn, and it hasn't been cleaned
for
2 years. I broke my arm last summer and was not able to cope with
cleaning it.

Sheila


Wow, where do you live and how short do you cut your lawn? Of course DH
wears a lawn mask when he mows and be the end of the season I throw it out
(he would just continue wearing it in its blackened state). Still I have
a
hard time imagining that kind of dust being kicked up from mowing a lawn
and
I grew up in the southwest.

Don't have a lawn, then you won't have to mow it, among other things.
Virtually every covenant or neighborhood agreement can be gotten
around, so don't even consider whining about that. If we didn't have
lawns, we wouldn't waste thousands of gallons of water to sprinkle on
them, we wouldn't waste oodles of gallons of gas cutting them, not to
mention what the exhaust and dust does to our atmosphere (lungs). How
many millions of dollars are spent on lawn mowers, fertilizers, etc.?
How many times have you heard at a funeral that so-and-so was a rotten
individual, but he/she kept a nice lawn, or the converse, that
so-and-so was terrific in so many ways, but they sure kept a crappy
lawn? Often people ask, what can we do as individuals? Not having
lawns is a pretty good start.

D Kat wrote:
The tadpoles were fished out and put in a neighbor real pond that is a
couple acres in area.

We get a lot of dust when we mow the lawn, and it hasn't been cleaned for
2 years. I broke my arm last summer and was not able to cope with
cleaning it.

Sheila


Wow, where do you live and how short do you cut your lawn? Of course DH
wears a lawn mask when he mows and be the end of the season I throw it out
(he would just continue wearing it in its blackened state). Still I have a
hard time imagining that kind of dust being kicked up from mowing a lawn and
I grew up in the southwest.



We live in Georgia and have some large areas that have not been seeded
yet and there are weeds and bare ground. This is where a future garden
and arbor will go, it's a large area so we kick up a lot of dust. We
have to wear masks too. Hopefully we get it finished up some time this
fall.

Sheila

~ jan wrote:
On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:29:55 EDT, Sheila wrote:

The trees a quite a ways off, but it was full of algae, mud, sand, and
tadpoles.

What did you do with the tadpoles?

builds up that I was hoping to filter, out mainly mud and sand.

Is it real dusty around you, or has it been a long time since the last
clean out? ~ jan
------------
Zone 7a, SE Washington State
Ponds: www.jjspond.us


I forgot to mention that in the spring, we get lots and lots of pollen
since we have 11 acres of woods. The yellow pollen leaves a ring where
the water level is at the time.

Sheila