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How fast do tadpoles grow?
About a month ago I had a bulldozer and front end loader come in and scoop
out a big hole in the ground. Actually, the thing looked like it had been a pond before, in that it was fairly deep and full of water. But someone had turned it in to a junk pile, with a bunch of willows and weeds growing around the outside and the inside filled with junk. Mostly the junk was dead branches and brush, but there were things in there like an old chair or two, an old bar-b-que grill, a metal desk, other well, uh, junk. Anyway, all that is gone and now I have a pretty bare 40' in diameter 5' deep mud puddle. I think the pond might be below the local water table because as soon as I quit pumping the water out, it filled back up to about 5' deep. The guy who cleaned out the pond told me to get some rye grass seed because it would sprout real fast, covering up the bare places and helping control any possible erosion. The store I went to was out of rye grass seed but the salesclerk sold me some other seed he said would work just as well. I must have screwed up and made the clerk think I wanted seed that absolutely would *not* sprout, because that is exactly what I got. But that's another story. Some two weeks ago I was out fussing around the pond and noticed about 4 big clumps of frog eggs. I thought that was a little fast, but just figured I didn't know hardly as much as I thought I did about frogs. Then today I was out fussing again and saw what looked like a ping-pong ball with a tail. I couldn't exactly place what it was, so I grabbed a stick and poked at it. It blinked at me, then lazily swam away. There are oodles of small tadpoles in the water, but this thing was far, far bigger than any of them. It didn't have any legs or anything either. I couldn't imagine anything surviving the bulldozer and front end loader and having the water pumped out of the pond, but then again I can't imagine this tadpole growing in just a month. So how fast do these things grow, or was this most likely a (very lucky) survivor? Galen Hekhuis NpD, JFR, GWA We are the CroMagnon of the future |
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On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 17:55:33 -0500, Galen Hekhuis
wrote: About a month ago I had a bulldozer and front end loader come in and scoop out a big hole in the ground. Actually, the thing looked like it had been a pond before, in that it was fairly deep and full of water. But someone had turned it in to a junk pile, with a bunch of willows and weeds growing around the outside and the inside filled with junk. Mostly the junk was dead branches and brush, but there were things in there like an old chair or two, an old bar-b-que grill, a metal desk, other well, uh, junk. Anyway, all that is gone and now I have a pretty bare 40' in diameter 5' deep mud puddle. I think the pond might be below the local water table because as soon as I quit pumping the water out, it filled back up to about 5' deep. The guy who cleaned out the pond told me to get some rye grass seed because it would sprout real fast, covering up the bare places and helping control any possible erosion. The store I went to was out of rye grass seed but the salesclerk sold me some other seed he said would work just as well. I must have screwed up and made the clerk think I wanted seed that absolutely would *not* sprout, because that is exactly what I got. But that's another story. Just what does all that crap above have to do with tadpoles? So now your pond ois 5 feet buty a month ago it was like 3 feet..Please make up your mind how deep your pond is...I seriously doubt yu were sold seed that would not germinate, your just not smart enough to sow it correctly form the sounds of it. Some two weeks ago I was out fussing around the pond and noticed about 4 big clumps of frog eggs. I thought that was a little fast, but just figured I didn't know hardly as much as I thought I did about frogs. Then today I was out fussing again and saw what looked like a ping-pong ball with a tail. I couldn't exactly place what it was, so I grabbed a stick and poked at it. It blinked at me, then lazily swam away. There are oodles of small tadpoles in the water, but this thing was far, far bigger than any of them. It didn't have any legs or anything either. I couldn't imagine anything surviving the bulldozer and front end loader and having the water pumped out of the pond, but then again I can't imagine this tadpole growing in just a month. So how fast do these things grow, or was this most likely a (very lucky) survivor? So your weather pattern rained tadpoles. It happens get over it. Galen Hekhuis NpD, JFR, GWA We are the CroMagnon of the future -- \\\|/// ( @ @ ) -----------oOOo(_)oOOo--------------- oooO ---------( )----Oooo---------------- \ ( ( ) \_) ) / (_/ The original frugal ponder ! Koi-ahoi mates.... |
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Galen Hekhuis wrote:
On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 23:25:38 GMT, (Roy) wrote: A month ago Roy told me that "...in all my years your the first to ****** their way into a kill file not due to crap posts but for my not wanting to deal with a babbling freaking idiot. Even Koi lo has not managed to get into my kill files as hard as they try, but your a first." Remember that? I wonder how you even saw the message. Yeah, well afaict Roy _is_ Koi Lo (at least the abusive one). If only he'd put us all in his kill file. Grass is funny. We have a number of types of grass planted around our well that are generally considered "invasive" - and were invasive where we dug them up. Four years later, there are still bare patches around the well. In any event, it has rained here the past week, and the water rose at least 16 inches (before it submerged the yardstick I had put in there) even though the weatherguessers said that the accumulation for this area was less than 6 inches. I didn't have a rain gauge out there so I don't know exactly how much rain fell here. I guess it was more than 6 inches because I sure don't see any way water could drain in. Unless your pond sides are vertical, the water level _will_ rise faster than the precipitation rate, but if you're right about the pond being below the water table then it would keep filling until it reached the water table level, but rain will increase the subsurface pressure in the whole area, and speed up the process. There are oodles of small tadpoles in the water, but this thing was far, far bigger than any of them. It didn't have any legs or anything either. I couldn't imagine anything surviving the bulldozer and front end loader and having the water pumped out of the pond, but then again I can't imagine this tadpole growing in just a month. So how fast do these things grow, or was this most likely a (very lucky) survivor? My bet is on survivor. I doubt it was that lucky - I bet there's a bunch of critters that survived the digging. We are the CroMagnon of the future Aren't we already the CroMagnon of the past? -- derek |
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Sorry to dissapoint you asshole, but Roy is Roy, I hide behind no nyms, and openily post with my same user name all the time. If I do change I will notify you...........now go cry to mommy you were told your wrong, your abaout the biggest cry baby I have ever had the opportunity to come across.....I bet you wore dresses and panties as a youngin, you little sissy twerp! On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 10:20:07 -0400, Derek wrote: Galen Hekhuis wrote: On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 23:25:38 GMT, (Roy) wrote: A month ago Roy told me that "...in all my years your the first to ****** their way into a kill file not due to crap posts but for my not wanting to deal with a babbling freaking idiot. Even Koi lo has not managed to get into my kill files as hard as they try, but your a first." Remember that? I wonder how you even saw the message. Yeah, well afaict Roy _is_ Koi Lo (at least the abusive one). If only he'd put us all in his kill file. Grass is funny. We have a number of types of grass planted around our well that are generally considered "invasive" - and were invasive where we dug them up. Four years later, there are still bare patches around the well. In any event, it has rained here the past week, and the water rose at least 16 inches (before it submerged the yardstick I had put in there) even though the weatherguessers said that the accumulation for this area was less than 6 inches. I didn't have a rain gauge out there so I don't know exactly how much rain fell here. I guess it was more than 6 inches because I sure don't see any way water could drain in. Unless your pond sides are vertical, the water level _will_ rise faster than the precipitation rate, but if you're right about the pond being below the water table then it would keep filling until it reached the water table level, but rain will increase the subsurface pressure in the whole area, and speed up the process. There are oodles of small tadpoles in the water, but this thing was far, far bigger than any of them. It didn't have any legs or anything either. I couldn't imagine anything surviving the bulldozer and front end loader and having the water pumped out of the pond, but then again I can't imagine this tadpole growing in just a month. So how fast do these things grow, or was this most likely a (very lucky) survivor? My bet is on survivor. I doubt it was that lucky - I bet there's a bunch of critters that survived the digging. We are the CroMagnon of the future Aren't we already the CroMagnon of the past? -- \\\|/// ( @ @ ) -----------oOOo(_)oOOo--------------- oooO ---------( )----Oooo---------------- \ ( ( ) \_) ) / (_/ The original frugal ponder ! Koi-ahoi mates.... |
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On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 10:20:07 -0400, Derek wrote:
Yeah, well afaict Roy _is_ Koi Lo (at least the abusive one). If only he'd put us all in his kill file. I've been around Usenet for several years, long before Google bought out the Deja News archives, which weren't even around when I began posting (not in this group). I've seen jerks come and go. Grass is funny. We have a number of types of grass planted around our well that are generally considered "invasive" - and were invasive where we dug them up. Four years later, there are still bare patches around the well. Personally, I think it was probably a "bad" bag of grass seed. I know in other plants the seed should be fresh among other things. Perhaps this bag was last year's batch, was stored improperly, or something like that. I could accept the possibility that I might be too dumb to plant grass, except that I planted it over a variety of ground and soil types and moisture conditions, and *none* of it sprouted. Even if I were too dumb to plant it there was enough variety that some of it should have at least sprouted somewhere. In any event I got some rye grass seed from a different source, and will be planting that this weekend. The other seed had warnings all over it about how it was "pen-coated," and they recommended long sleeves, rubber gloves and the like be worn while spreading it. They further cautioned that the seed was *not* to be used as any type of feed, but assured me it was harmless to fish, insects, other plants, stuff like that. The genuine rye grass seed bag has no such precautions at all. Unless your pond sides are vertical, the water level _will_ rise faster than the precipitation rate, but if you're right about the pond being below the water table then it would keep filling until it reached the water table level, but rain will increase the subsurface pressure in the whole area, and speed up the process. I had thought the pond was pretty much full, or at least within a few inches of equalizing with the local water table. I guess not, what with the rise in the water level, and especially with its ability to keep on rising when there was no rain, not even a cloud in sight. But that would also mean that the local water table is less than a foot below the ground level. I guess that's possible except it doesn't quite jive with the local vegetation nor my experience in digging holes around here. My bet is on survivor. I doubt it was that lucky - I bet there's a bunch of critters that survived the digging. I'm impressed. Someone else mentioned how snapping turtles have survived fairly similar conditions. It seems improbable that anything could survive, but I could see a turtle making it through long before I could a (delicate, by comparison) tadpole. We are the CroMagnon of the future Aren't we already the CroMagnon of the past? Of course. What I'm trying to say is that I'll bet the CroMagnon felt just as modern and cutting edge as we do today, yet sometime thousands of years from now folks may look at us and see us as just as primitive as we now view the CroMagnon. Consider it just my feeble attempt to condense that thought into something that would fit in a .signature. Galen Hekhuis NpD, JFR, GWA We are the CroMagnon of the future |
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"Galen Hekhuis" wrote in message ... On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 10:20:07 -0400, Derek wrote: Yeah, well afaict Roy _is_ Koi Lo (at least the abusive one). If only he'd put us all in his kill file. I've been around Usenet for several years, long before Google bought out the Deja News archives, which weren't even around when I began posting (not in this group). I've seen jerks come and go. Grass is funny. We have a number of types of grass planted around our well that are generally considered "invasive" - and were invasive where we dug them up. Four years later, there are still bare patches around the well. Personally, I think it was probably a "bad" bag of grass seed. I know in other plants the seed should be fresh among other things. Perhaps this bag was last year's batch, By law the bags have to have dates on them. LOOK for the dates. Never but last years seed. The bag itself should look clean and new, not like it's been in a warehouse for months. I've bought new seed that had poor germination rates probably because of mishandling along the line somewhere. Or maybe the weather conditions that year didn't favor seedling survival and growth. Most fresh seed does have a good germination rate. I had thought the pond was pretty much full, or at least within a few inches of equalizing with the local water table. I guess not, what with the rise in the water level, and especially with its ability to keep on rising when there was no rain, not even a cloud in sight. But that would also mean that the local water table is less than a foot below the ground level. I guess that's possible except it doesn't quite jive with the local vegetation nor my experience in digging holes around here. What about some kind of temporary water table. We have that out front in spring. It's fed by a temporary underground spring or small aquifer. As summer wears on and rain becomes scarce, it drops until it's "gone?" My bet is on survivor. I doubt it was that lucky - I bet there's a bunch of critters that survived the digging. I'm impressed. Someone else mentioned how snapping turtles have survived fairly similar conditions. It seems improbable that anything could survive, but I could see a turtle making it through long before I could a (delicate, by comparison) tadpole. If it had even a quart of muddy water it had a chance. Those little buggers are real survivors. :-) -- Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995... Aquariums since 1952 My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 Note: There are two Koi-Lo's on the Aquaria groups. ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
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Galen Hekhuis wrote:
My bet is on survivor. *I doubt it was that lucky - I bet there's a bunch of critters that survived the digging. I'm impressed. *Someone else mentioned how snapping turtles have survived fairly similar conditions. *It seems improbable that anything could survive, but I could see a turtle making it through long before I could a (delicate, by comparison) tadpole. A tadpole makes a very small target :-) -- derek |
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"Galen Hekhuis" wrote in message
... About a month ago I had a bulldozer and front end loader come in and scoop out a big hole in the ground. Actually, the thing looked like it had been a pond before, in that it was fairly deep and full of water. But someone had turned it in to a junk pile, with a bunch of willows and weeds growing around the outside and the inside filled with junk. Mostly the junk was dead branches and brush, but there were things in there like an old chair or two, an old bar-b-que grill, a metal desk, other well, uh, junk. Anyway, all that is gone and now I have a pretty bare 40' in diameter 5' deep mud puddle. I think the pond might be below the local water table because as soon as I quit pumping the water out, it filled back up to about 5' deep. The guy who cleaned out the pond told me to get some rye grass seed because it would sprout real fast, covering up the bare places and helping control any possible erosion. The store I went to was out of rye grass seed but the salesclerk sold me some other seed he said would work just as well. I must have screwed up and made the clerk think I wanted seed that absolutely would *not* sprout, because that is exactly what I got. But that's another story. Some two weeks ago I was out fussing around the pond and noticed about 4 big clumps of frog eggs. I thought that was a little fast, but just figured I didn't know hardly as much as I thought I did about frogs. Then today I was out fussing again and saw what looked like a ping-pong ball with a tail. I couldn't exactly place what it was, so I grabbed a stick and poked at it. It blinked at me, then lazily swam away. There are oodles of small tadpoles in the water, but this thing was far, far bigger than any of them. It didn't have any legs or anything either. I couldn't imagine anything surviving the bulldozer and front end loader and having the water pumped out of the pond, but then again I can't imagine this tadpole growing in just a month. So how fast do these things grow, or was this most likely a (very lucky) survivor? Galen Hekhuis NpD, JFR, GWA We are the CroMagnon of the future Hi Galen - I don't know what kind of tadpoles you have, but I recall reading that different tadpoles grow at different rates, some very quickly, maturing in a matter of weeks, others taking a year or so. You might check out web sites for your state or country. Most show local animal life, how to identify, and so on. I tend to get in my in-ground pond small green frogs that produce bunches of tadpoles that convert in a matter of a month or so to tiny froglets. A couple of years ago I had toads in the same pond. But I can't recall how long their tadpoles/toadpoles took to mature. Gail near San Antonio TX Zone 8 USA |
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On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 00:16:03 GMT, "Gail Futoran"
wrote: Hi Galen - I don't know what kind of tadpoles you have, but I recall reading that different tadpoles grow at different rates, some very quickly, maturing in a matter of weeks, others taking a year or so. You might check out web sites for your state or country. Most show local animal life, how to identify, and so on. I tend to get in my in-ground pond small green frogs that produce bunches of tadpoles that convert in a matter of a month or so to tiny froglets. A couple of years ago I had toads in the same pond. But I can't recall how long their tadpoles/toadpoles took to mature. Howdy. I don't know what kind of tadpoles they are either, I just didn't think any kind of tadpole could get that big in just a month. I've got lots and lots of frogs around here (also lizards and skinks) so I'm not exactly surprised to find tadpoles, I just hadn't expected any that big so soon. I live up in northern Florida, zone 8 also, but it seems to be a bit warmer zone 8 than where you live. By the way, I went to Cambridge Elementary School in (you guessed it) San Antonio, TX. Galen Hekhuis NpD, JFR, GWA We are the CroMagnon of the future |
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"Galen Hekhuis" wrote in message
... Howdy. I don't know what kind of tadpoles they are either, I just didn't think any kind of tadpole could get that big in just a month. I've got lots and lots of frogs around here (also lizards and skinks) so I'm not exactly surprised to find tadpoles, I just hadn't expected any that big so soon. I live up in northern Florida, zone 8 also, but it seems to be a bit warmer zone 8 than where you live. By the way, I went to Cambridge Elementary School in (you guessed it) San Antonio, TX. Galen Hekhuis NpD, JFR, GWA We are the CroMagnon of the future I thought I recognized that "Howdy"! One of the web sites I have bookmarked from searches I've done to ID frogs, toads, insects, etc., is the IFAS site: http://www.wec.ufl.edu/extension/frogs/default.htm Sometimes I can find a better photo or description in another State's site than in Texas sites, although TX does pretty good in the wildlife area. Anyway, I hope you can ID your frogs or toads. They're fun to watch grow. Gail near San Antonio TX Zone 8 |
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On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 00:56:36 GMT, "Gail Futoran"
wrote: I thought I recognized that "Howdy"! One of the web sites I have bookmarked from searches I've done to ID frogs, toads, insects, etc., is the IFAS site: http://www.wec.ufl.edu/extension/frogs/default.htm Sometimes I can find a better photo or description in another State's site than in Texas sites, although TX does pretty good in the wildlife area. Anyway, I hope you can ID your frogs or toads. They're fun to watch grow. I've never been much good at identifying frogs (or they could be toads, as you mention) from tadpoles, I have book marked the site, although I suspect they will have to mature before I get a good ID on them. Thanks for the site. Galen Hekhuis NpD, JFR, GWA We are the CroMagnon of the future |
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"Galen Hekhuis" wrote in message
... On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 00:16:03 GMT, "Gail Futoran" wrote: Howdy. I don't know what kind of tadpoles they are either, I just didn't think any kind of tadpole could get that big in just a month. I've got lots and lots of frogs around here (also lizards and skinks) so I'm not exactly surprised to find tadpoles, I just hadn't expected any that big so soon. I live up in northern Florida, zone 8 also, but it seems to be a bit warmer zone 8 than where you live. By the way, I went to Cambridge Elementary School in (you guessed it) San Antonio, TX. Tadpoles have to grow up before the water source dries up. For example, tadpoles in northern Africa don't have much time, the ponds and puddles dry up within a month or two. On the other extreme, the Amazon rainforest has frogs that lay their eggs in the pockets of water that form in the base of tree branches, because they almost never dry out. Most tadpoles grow up in a month or two, a few stick around for a year. If you're worried about the tadpoles, collect them, and drop them off in a local pond, or creek. Or better yet, fill up a half whiskey barrel with water, let them grow in that. |
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"Galen Hekhuis" wrote in message ... Some two weeks ago I was out fussing around the pond and noticed about 4 big clumps of frog eggs. I thought that was a little fast, but just figured I didn't know hardly as much as I thought I did about frogs. Then today I was out fussing again and saw what looked like a ping-pong ball with a tail. I couldn't exactly place what it was, so I grabbed a stick and poked at it. It blinked at me, then lazily swam away. There are oodles of small tadpoles in the water, but this thing was far, far bigger than any of them. It didn't have any legs or anything either. I couldn't imagine anything surviving the bulldozer and front end loader and having the water pumped out of the pond, but then again I can't imagine this tadpole growing in just a month. So how fast do these things grow, or was this most likely a (very lucky) survivor? ==================================' It's probably one of last years bullfrog tadpoles that survived the bulldozer in a small puddle of water. -- Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995... Aquariums since 1952 My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 Note: There are two Koi-Lo's on the Aquaria groups. ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
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On Wed, 8 Feb 2006 19:39:48 -0600, "Koi-Lo"
wrote: It's probably one of last years bullfrog tadpoles that survived the bulldozer in a small puddle of water. Thinking more about it, that's almost what it *has* to be. I am rather astonished that anything survived the bulldozer and stuff. Galen Hekhuis NpD, JFR, GWA We are the CroMagnon of the future |
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