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Pond shelters
I live on the side of a mountain, so one day I might weir my snowmelt
creek to make a pond, but the downside is that it would get flushed routinely (snowmelt, rainfall etc). In the meantime, I live vicariously through my friend's pond, a modest 50,000g construction ;~). Every year they invent a new roof, and they are not getting better at it. This year's pond roof was grey PVC poles, spaced at about 6 feet, connected together to make a large oval roof structure, then covered by a plastic sheet. Inside, they occasionally run a gas-fired campfire, and it's quite pleasantly mild inside (tall enough to walk around the pond). It looked great, well... it technically looked very functional, like a white carport for a Sherman tank in your backyard ;~). However, winter here (Ottawa Canada) has become milder, resulting in freezing rain conditions. Their roof collapsed 4 times this year (was removed in Feb. after the last time). They have asked me to help design next year's roof. The criteria is that it be completely removable and easily stored in the summer. Structurally, it would benefit from 1 (or even 3) centre posts, but these posts would be above the pond. I've been thinking of a floating barge-type structure (wood and styrofoam), anchored by rope to 4 sides of the pond. This would be the base of the centre pole. I would re-use their grey pvc pole idea (economical and breaks down easily for storage), but I need to tie them to each other (during ice load, they slid together, and leaned over). Perhaps metal rings and ropes? It's difficult to access them when they are up. Alternately, some sort of an inflatable structure in a dark color, so if there is an ice sheet, it will melt off faster. Could someone send me some links or ideas. I heard this was a good place for pond information again ;~). -- www.NetMax.tk |
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"NetMax" wrote in message
.. . I live on the side of a mountain, so one day I might weir my snowmelt creek to make a pond, but the downside is that it would get flushed routinely (snowmelt, rainfall etc). In the meantime, I live vicariously through my friend's pond, a modest 50,000g construction ;~). Every year they invent a new roof, and they are not getting better at it. This year's pond roof was grey PVC poles, spaced at about 6 feet, connected together to make a large oval roof structure, then covered by a plastic sheet. Inside, they occasionally run a gas-fired campfire, and it's quite pleasantly mild inside (tall enough to walk around the pond). It looked great, well... it technically looked very functional, like a white carport for a Sherman tank in your backyard ;~). However, winter here (Ottawa Canada) has become milder, resulting in freezing rain conditions. Their roof collapsed 4 times this year (was removed in Feb. after the last time). They have asked me to help design next year's roof. The criteria is that it be completely removable and easily stored in the summer. Structurally, it would benefit from 1 (or even 3) centre posts, but these posts would be above the pond. I've been thinking of a floating barge-type structure (wood and styrofoam), anchored by rope to 4 sides of the pond. This would be the base of the centre pole. I would re-use their grey pvc pole idea (economical and breaks down easily for storage), but I need to tie them to each other (during ice load, they slid together, and leaned over). Perhaps metal rings and ropes? It's difficult to access them when they are up. Alternately, some sort of an inflatable structure in a dark color, so if there is an ice sheet, it will melt off faster. Could someone send me some links or ideas. I heard this was a good place for pond information again ;~). -- www.NetMax.tk I'm not sure from your description how big the cover needs to be, or exactly its purpose, but I immediately thought of a shade sail: http://www.shadesails.com/ They would seem to be adaptable to most conditions you're describing, although it's less like an enclosure than you describe. I use a gazebo with canvas-like cover over my little pond, but a 10' x 10' structure probably isn't big enough for your friend's "lake": www.academy.com Keyword search on Gazebo. They show quite a few different varieties. Academy is a local (TX) sporting goods store but these gazebos should be available at home improvement stores and the like. The 10'x10' basic models run about US$100, which is half what I paid for mine a few years ago. The cover attaches with velcro and is exceedingly easy to remove when thunderstorms threaten. I would have preferred a shade sail if I'd known about them before I purchased the gazebo. Gail near San Antonio TX USA Zone 8 |
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"Gail Futoran" wrote in message
... "NetMax" wrote in message .. . I live on the side of a mountain, so one day I might weir my snowmelt creek to make a pond, but the downside is that it would get flushed routinely (snowmelt, rainfall etc). In the meantime, I live vicariously through my friend's pond, a modest 50,000g construction ;~). Every year they invent a new roof, and they are not getting better at it. This year's pond roof was grey PVC poles, spaced at about 6 feet, connected together to make a large oval roof structure, then covered by a plastic sheet. Inside, they occasionally run a gas-fired campfire, and it's quite pleasantly mild inside (tall enough to walk around the pond). It looked great, well... it technically looked very functional, like a white carport for a Sherman tank in your backyard ;~). However, winter here (Ottawa Canada) has become milder, resulting in freezing rain conditions. Their roof collapsed 4 times this year (was removed in Feb. after the last time). They have asked me to help design next year's roof. The criteria is that it be completely removable and easily stored in the summer. Structurally, it would benefit from 1 (or even 3) centre posts, but these posts would be above the pond. I've been thinking of a floating barge-type structure (wood and styrofoam), anchored by rope to 4 sides of the pond. This would be the base of the centre pole. I would re-use their grey pvc pole idea (economical and breaks down easily for storage), but I need to tie them to each other (during ice load, they slid together, and leaned over). Perhaps metal rings and ropes? It's difficult to access them when they are up. Alternately, some sort of an inflatable structure in a dark color, so if there is an ice sheet, it will melt off faster. Could someone send me some links or ideas. I heard this was a good place for pond information again ;~). -- www.NetMax.tk I'm not sure from your description how big the cover needs to be, or exactly its purpose, but I immediately thought of a shade sail: http://www.shadesails.com/ They would seem to be adaptable to most conditions you're describing, although it's less like an enclosure than you describe. I use a gazebo with canvas-like cover over my little pond, but a 10' x 10' structure probably isn't big enough for your friend's "lake": www.academy.com Keyword search on Gazebo. They show quite a few different varieties. Academy is a local (TX) sporting goods store but these gazebos should be available at home improvement stores and the like. The 10'x10' basic models run about US$100, which is half what I paid for mine a few years ago. The cover attaches with velcro and is exceedingly easy to remove when thunderstorms threaten. I would have preferred a shade sail if I'd known about them before I purchased the gazebo. Gail near San Antonio TX USA Zone 8 Thanks Gail, the structure dimensions are 25' long and the ends would be 20' and 25' (or 25'x25'). Home Depot & Canadian Tire may have adaptable designs, but they would be better off researching direct from the manufacturer to avoid the ridiculous mark-up, but they haven't found the manufacturer. My volume calculation must have been wrong (metric?), as I think they are closer to 15,000g (I'm not used to volume calculations of this scale, my bad). Their pond is 6' deep and surface is 16' x 20'. -- www.NetMax.tk |
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"NetMax" wrote in message
... Thanks Gail, the structure dimensions are 25' long and the ends would be 20' and 25' (or 25'x25'). Home Depot & Canadian Tire may have adaptable designs, but they would be better off researching direct from the manufacturer to avoid the ridiculous mark-up, but they haven't found the manufacturer. It sounds like they need to find a local handyperson to build something from scratch to fit their space/needs. My volume calculation must have been wrong (metric?), as I think they are closer to 15,000g (I'm not used to volume calculations of this scale, my bad). Their pond is 6' deep and surface is 16' x 20'. -- www.NetMax.tk Sounds lovely. Gail near San Antonio TX Zone 8 |
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1" white pvc to form a hoop, and use battens half way up the side. stretch the
plastic tight. hoop structures have greater flex and can stand up to more weight, altho my greenhouse hoop over my big ponds at the dacha made with aluminum (it was commercial type) came down after 55" of snow hit in 2 days. so did a lot of the commercial hoops in the area. Ingrid "NetMax" wrote: This year's pond roof was grey PVC poles The criteria is that it be completely removable and easily stored in the summer. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List at http://weloveteaching.com/puregold/ sign up: http://groups.google.com/groups/dir?...s=Group+lookup www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I receive no compensation for running the Puregold list or Puregold website. I do not run nor receive any money from the ads at the old Puregold site. |
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I used to have a link to do it yourself green house and other shelter
frames. This company sold the connecting fittings that adapated say PVC pipe to a ridge board of pressure treated lumber. They had base supports that attached to wood like landscape timbers etc that accepted PVC uprights, and then they sold a heat shrink plastic film that was virtually indestructable.. They used commonly available zippers for door ways. You can buy them in most big box builder stores in the USA like Home Depot. Its a pressure sensitve adhesive strip on a sort of heavy duty zip lock baggies type seal called a zip lock zipper. You peel the paper off the zipper, and apply to where you want the doorway, then unzip the zipper, and slit the plastic between zipper halves, and presto you have a zippered doorway..About 7 bucks in HOme depot. Works fine on plastic sheeting as well as the heat shrink stuff. I know a few of my friends in another web forum have bought and used the green house fittings for pvc / lumber to construct green houses and shelters etc and they still use em after a 3 or 4 years, the stuff does not tear up that easy. I fyou give it some thought, the heat shrink panels cana be made in sections so it can be saved after use, or else just buy plastic sheeting or new heat shrink the next time. The heat shrink stuff only needs to be exposed to sunlingt for a few hours and warmed up and it pulls tight, but not to the poiint it buckles PVC uprights, and double faced tape is used to fasten the edges in place, buy folding it around the PVC pipes and hold it in place with the double faced tape.. Seems to work fine. -- \\\|/// ( @ @ ) -----------oOOo(_)oOOo--------------- oooO ---------( )----Oooo---------------- \ ( ( ) \_) ) / (_/ The original frugal ponder ! Koi-ahoi mates.... |
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