"Peter Smith" wrote in message
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I just cleaned out my 60 gal. kidney shaped pond.
I have about 6, 3 inch comets and 1, 5 inch speckled koi and 1, 4 inch
frog.

A koi in a 60g pond? You do realize healthy koi grow rapidly and can reach
2 1/2 to 3 feet long. One koi needs at least 125 to 150g itself. Healthy
outdoor goldfish can reach almost a foot long and need 20g or more per fish.

I put the the fish and frog in a 20 gal tub, with water from the pond
from over the winter.
Coved it up with mesh. Put a air bubblier hose in.
I scrubbed and drained the muck out. I got the black pond liner nice and
clean.

The stuff on the liner is the necessary bacteria that converts deadly
ammonia and nitrites to nitrates. It's not a good idea to remove it.

I put 40 gals. of fresh, new water in, then added almost the rest of the
water from the tub back in.
I added pond-zime to the dose, in. I added 16oz. of aquarium salt and
stress coat to the dose.
I cleaned the 1000 gal.ph fishmate box filter out and hooked up to the
90 gal.ph beckett pump.
I pulled the plant pot, that's starting to sprout from the bottom and
put it on the first level.
I netted the fish and frog back in.
The water is a little cloudy, but it looks fine.

Please use an ammonia and nitrite kit to make sure they don't surge and kill
all your fish.

I live in mid PA, so the water is around 52 degrees. No feeding till it
gets up around 55-60 at night.

I start feeding mine when the water gets over 50 F or so.

So, How do you think I did?

This is the 2nd year for the pond.
Thank's
Waiting to hear from you all. : )
Pete

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Newbie Spring Start Up

Group: rec.ponds Date: Mon, Apr 10, 2006, 9:17pm (EDT-1) From:
lid (Koi-Lo) wrote:

A koi in a 60g pond? You do realize healthy koi grow rapidly and can
reach 2 1/2 to 3 feet long. One koi needs at least 125 to 150g itself.
Healthy outdoor goldfish can reach almost a foot long and need 20g or
more per fish.

Well, I think it's not a koi then, it might be a big gold fish
It has barbels though.
I got the fish last year and it didn't get any bigger then it is now (4
or 5 inches).


The stuff on the liner is the necessary bacteria that converts deadly
ammonia and nitrites to nitrates. It's not a good idea to remove it.

I know all about cycles and all.
I have had fish tanks since I was 12 years old.
I have had sal****er tanks, sal****er reef tanks and have a 45 gal.
freshwater tank that I had since 1986.
So I'm familiar with Ickthology .
But can't quote or spell to well.

Please use an ammonia and nitrite kit to make sure they don't surge
and kill all your fish.

I set it up the same way last year with no problems.
I don't have the money for test kits that I use once.
I can tell if something is wrong by their behavior But, thank's, I'll
take water samples down to my local aquarium for testing, good point.

I start feeding mine when the water gets over 50 F or so.

I read that 55 to 60 at night time temps.
Not feeding will also keep the Ammo down for a week or 2 till the cycle
is complete.
The water is now crystal clear, 8 hours later.
When I posted newbie, I meant to the group not the hobby.
Thank's for all you help.

Pete : )
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Frugal ponding since 1995.
Aquariums since 1952.
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http://tinyurl.com/9do58
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"Peter Smith" wrote in message
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Newbie Spring Start Up

Group: rec.ponds Date: Mon, Apr 10, 2006, 9:17pm (EDT-1) From:
lid (Koi-Lo) wrote:

A koi in a 60g pond? You do realize healthy koi grow rapidly and can
reach 2 1/2 to 3 feet long. One koi needs at least 125 to 150g itself.
Healthy outdoor goldfish can reach almost a foot long and need 20g or
more per fish.

Well, I think it's not a koi then, it might be a big gold fish
It has barbels though.

If it has barbels it is a koi. :-)

I got the fish last year and it didn't get any bigger then it is now (4
or 5 inches).


Then something is wrong as they grow rapidly when young and well fed and
kept in clean water.

The stuff on the liner is the necessary bacteria that converts deadly
ammonia and nitrites to nitrates. It's not a good idea to remove it.

I know all about cycles and all.
I have had fish tanks since I was 12 years old.
I have had sal****er tanks, sal****er reef tanks and have a 45 gal.
freshwater tank that I had since 1986.
So I'm familiar with Ickthology .
But can't quote or spell to well.

Please use an ammonia and nitrite kit to make sure they don't surge
and kill all your fish.

I set it up the same way last year with no problems.
I don't have the money for test kits that I use once.
I can tell if something is wrong by their behavior But, thank's, I'll
take water samples down to my local aquarium for testing, good point.

I start feeding mine when the water gets over 50 F or so.

I read that 55 to 60 at night time temps.

I'm not out there at night so don't know how much it drops after sundown. I
check around noon. If the temp is over 50 and they're begging I feed them.
They have all day to digest it before sundown. So far so good.

Not feeding will also keep the Ammo down for a week or 2 till the cycle
is complete.

I wont starve my fish that long. I do feed lightly in new setups.

The water is now crystal clear, 8 hours later.
When I posted newbie, I meant to the group not the hobby.
Thank's for all you help.

Pete : )

You better buy a sharp shovel and a liner if you plan to keep that koi.
:-))

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Frugal ponding since 1995.
Aquariums since 1952.
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http://tinyurl.com/9do58
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I have had fish tanks since I was 12 years old.

Saying the following with a Big Grin
"But Pete, you didn't tell us how old you are currently, so the above isn't
telling us much." ) ~ jan

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(Do you know where your water quality is?)

I'm 47.
If I have to pull him, I'll bring him back to the place I got him. he
jumped out last year and I found him down on the bank of the hill
flopping around, don't know how long he was out of the water.
I put him back in and he was fine.

I checked the pond this morning and everyone is fine and the water is
clear.

I came home from work last year and found a snake in there. The snake
had the frog around it's neck. I pulled the the snake up and the frog
fell back into the water. He is fine as well.

Is their anyway to keep predators away?

The pet shop said the potted plant and some of the old water will have
some of the bacteria to help the cycle.
Keep ya posted and Thank's

Pete

I'm 47.Pete

That's awhile, I'm not too worried about ya than. You know what to watch
for, and if something goes awry, you know where to come. ~ jan
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"Peter Smith" wrote in message
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I'm 47.
If I have to pull him, I'll bring him back to the place I got him. he
jumped out last year and I found him down on the bank of the hill
flopping around, don't know how long he was out of the water.
I put him back in and he was fine.

I checked the pond this morning and everyone is fine and the water is
clear.

I came home from work last year and found a snake in there. The snake
had the frog around it's neck. I pulled the the snake up and the frog
fell back into the water. He is fine as well.

Snakes will also eat your fish. I lost many fish to snakes, bullfrogs,
herons and kingfisher before netting all my ponds and pools. Once a snake
knows there is food in a pond it will keep coming back until nothing is
left. As far as I know any water snake that eats frogs also eats fish.

Is their anyway to keep predators away?

Some people recommend those motion sensor sprinklers or water shooters but
they are useless against snapper turtles, bullfrogs, kingfishers and
snakes - all fish eaters. If I didn't have nets over everything here I
wouldn't have one fish left.

The pet shop said the potted plant and some of the old water will have
some of the bacteria to help the cycle.
Keep ya posted and Thank's

This is true. :-)

Pete

--
Koi-Lo.... the ReelMcKoi
Frugal ponding since 1995.
Aquariums since 1952.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
rec.pond's FAQ are at:
http://www.geocities.com/justinm090/faq.html
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