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26-07-2003, 03:13 PM
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cant remember if the url was posted or not so here it is
-- http://www.brettsfishfarm.com/default.html John Rutz Z5 New Mexico never miss a good oportunity to shut up see my pond at: http://www.fuerjefe.com |
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27-07-2003, 12:32 AM
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$3500 for a freakin' fish that lives outside? UNH UH! Did anyone here do anything that crazy when buying fish? I am attached to my 12 cent feeder! On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 08:25:05 -0600, johnrutz wrote: cant remember if the url was posted or not so here it is -- http://www.brettsfishfarm.com/default.html John Rutz Z5 New Mexico never miss a good oportunity to shut up see my pond at: http://www.fuerjefe.com |
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27-07-2003, 03:02 AM
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Welll ... jammer, as they say: "To each his own". ;-)
I just wish I had money for a bottom drain, a skimmer and the Koi! No way would I bring one of Brett's fish into my simplistic pond. The ones in there today were either bought in 1995 or born there. Nedra http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836 http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118 "jammer" wrote in message ... $3500 for a freakin' fish that lives outside? UNH UH! Did anyone here do anything that crazy when buying fish? I am attached to my 12 cent feeder! On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 08:25:05 -0600, johnrutz wrote: cant remember if the url was posted or not so here it is -- http://www.brettsfishfarm.com/default.html John Rutz Z5 New Mexico never miss a good oportunity to shut up see my pond at: http://www.fuerjefe.com |
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27-07-2003, 02:23 PM
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If you want some quality koi, for reasonable $$, you may want to check out
Koi by Keiren, located in Pa near Philadelphia, or Harry Abel's place in Virginia. The latter is regarded as the place to go for the best quality imports on the East coast, but the former is pretty close.. Both are major Japanese importers, are active with AKCA, and MAKC, host wet labs with Drs Johnson, Yoshi, etc., and both will have some of their fish on display at the upcoming national Koi America show in Chantilly Virginia August 8 - 10th. You can get quality Japanese Koi, (younger of course), but from good blood lines for $150 and up. Why spend even $150??.. that's easy. All you have to do is to see the fish side by side. The colors and patterns of the Japanese Koi blow the domestics away. The reds are true reds, not orange reds. Again, unless you see them side by side you won't necessarily appreciate how much they differ. We've certainly made progress in domestics, but there still are large differences between domestics and the Japanese imports. I guess if you want to buy adult show champs, etc, you could pay the $$, but I agree.. I would not want to pay that kind of $$ for fish in an outside environment, with variables that are sometimes hard to control. I would rather buy them young and watch them grow... Each to their own.. it depends on what you want. Some of the nicest koi, may be the least attractive! Happy ponding, Greg -- "jammer" wrote in message ... $3500 for a freakin' fish that lives outside? UNH UH! Did anyone here do anything that crazy when buying fish? I am attached to my 12 cent feeder! On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 08:25:05 -0600, johnrutz wrote: cant remember if the url was posted or not so here it is -- http://www.brettsfishfarm.com/default.html John Rutz Z5 New Mexico never miss a good oportunity to shut up see my pond at: http://www.fuerjefe.com |
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27-07-2003, 06:03 PM
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Greg, I know your post was *not* directed to me. I can't
buy any Koi at all - no matter how reasonable due to my pond not having a bottom drain or a skimmer. $$ are too short for the foreseeable future  to fix those two minuses.Thanks for the info anyway. Nedra http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836 http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118 "Gregory Young" wrote in message . .. If you want some quality koi, for reasonable $$, you may want to check out Koi by Keiren, located in Pa near Philadelphia, or Harry Abel's place in Virginia. The latter is regarded as the place to go for the best quality imports on the East coast, but the former is pretty close.. Both are major Japanese importers, are active with AKCA, and MAKC, host wet labs with Drs Johnson, Yoshi, etc., and both will have some of their fish on display at the upcoming national Koi America show in Chantilly Virginia August 8 - 10th. You can get quality Japanese Koi, (younger of course), but from good blood lines for $150 and up. Why spend even $150??.. that's easy. All you have to do is to see the fish side by side. The colors and patterns of the Japanese Koi blow the domestics away. The reds are true reds, not orange reds. Again, unless you see them side by side you won't necessarily appreciate how much they differ. We've certainly made progress in domestics, but there still are large differences between domestics and the Japanese imports. I guess if you want to buy adult show champs, etc, you could pay the $$, but I agree.. I would not want to pay that kind of $$ for fish in an outside environment, with variables that are sometimes hard to control. I would rather buy them young and watch them grow... Each to their own.. it depends on what you want. Some of the nicest koi, may be the least attractive! Happy ponding, Greg -- "jammer" wrote in message ... $3500 for a freakin' fish that lives outside? UNH UH! Did anyone here do anything that crazy when buying fish? I am attached to my 12 cent feeder! On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 08:25:05 -0600, johnrutz wrote: cant remember if the url was posted or not so here it is -- http://www.brettsfishfarm.com/default.html John Rutz Z5 New Mexico never miss a good oportunity to shut up see my pond at: http://www.fuerjefe.com |
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28-07-2003, 01:04 AM
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Greg,
Small correction on Abel, it is Ray Abell and his web site is http://www.nishikigoiofniigata.com/. Now he only has a few of his many fish on the site, and as stated, they are beautiful. The prices on the larger fish are a LITTLE STEEP. He does import some smaller fish. -- RichToyBox http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html "Gregory Young" wrote in message . .. If you want some quality koi, for reasonable $$, you may want to check out Koi by Keiren, located in Pa near Philadelphia, or Harry Abel's place in Virginia. The latter is regarded as the place to go for the best quality imports on the East coast, but the former is pretty close.. Both are major Japanese importers, are active with AKCA, and MAKC, host wet labs with Drs Johnson, Yoshi, etc., and both will have some of their fish on display at the upcoming national Koi America show in Chantilly Virginia August 8 - 10th. You can get quality Japanese Koi, (younger of course), but from good blood lines for $150 and up. Why spend even $150??.. that's easy. All you have to do is to see the fish side by side. The colors and patterns of the Japanese Koi blow the domestics away. The reds are true reds, not orange reds. Again, unless you see them side by side you won't necessarily appreciate how much they differ. We've certainly made progress in domestics, but there still are large differences between domestics and the Japanese imports. I guess if you want to buy adult show champs, etc, you could pay the $$, but I agree.. I would not want to pay that kind of $$ for fish in an outside environment, with variables that are sometimes hard to control. I would rather buy them young and watch them grow... Each to their own.. it depends on what you want. Some of the nicest koi, may be the least attractive! Happy ponding, Greg -- "jammer" wrote in message ... $3500 for a freakin' fish that lives outside? UNH UH! Did anyone here do anything that crazy when buying fish? I am attached to my 12 cent feeder! On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 08:25:05 -0600, johnrutz wrote: cant remember if the url was posted or not so here it is -- http://www.brettsfishfarm.com/default.html John Rutz Z5 New Mexico never miss a good oportunity to shut up see my pond at: http://www.fuerjefe.com |
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29-07-2003, 01:03 AM
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Greg wrote Mink vs. man...
Let me know if the DIY 4 inch electric fence works. I'm working on another predator deterrent article. k30a yearly brother website posting http://www.30acreimaging.com/ |
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29-07-2003, 02:03 AM
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Greg,
The wife and I are on the MAKC booth Friday evening 4-6. Come on by, I would love to lay eyes on some of the people on the newsgroup. If you are coming to Richmond to see Ray, you are welcome to come to the other side of town and see my ponds and gardens. And yes, Ray has a lot of gorgeous fish. -- RichToyBox http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html "Gregory Young" wrote in message ... Hi Nedra: No, not at all! I was just responding to jammer, agreeing with him on the cost of some Koi, which can go for megabucks!! Inside, in a controlled (or at least semicontrolled environment), I could understand it if you had lots of $$ you wished to invest in your hobby, but outside, at least here in WNY, I could never understand it, unless it they were kept in a heated, enclosed pond.... I still haven't caught my mink, (who fished out my koi and GF)despite all my best efforts with baited have-a-hearts, but the pros warned me mink were too clever to catch in that fashion. But even a professional trapper had no luck, so I guess I will go with a low visibility electric fence (about 4 inches above ground level). I was looking at the fi-shock, but they want a large amount of $$ for a simple fence (retail $155 for 10 posts, wire, shocker and ground rod). As I need a total of about 146 feet to go around everything, it will cost lots more than that. I can do it for a fraction of that cost, but will have to look around for small decorative plastic posts that can serve as insulated standoffs. The wire I have, the shocker I can get for $30 maximum. Mink vs. man.. should be interesting to see who wins. I think my wife is betting on the mink, and she is usually right! Happy ponding, Greg PS I really intend to bring back some of Abel's Koi (thanks for the correction on the typo Rich) from the Koi USA show, so I have to keep them safe somehow! I have 6 weeks while they are in isolation in my show tank to get everything setup. PPS Rich.. a little steep? Wow, some get right up there, but all the AKCA staff, judges, and almost all of the MAKC folks I have talked to/corresponded with swear he is #1, so I will check him out Monday, following the show.. Am bringing a small group from my Koi club here in WNY (8 counting me), so it should be fun. We will be staying at the Suites across the way, as the block rates for host hotel were not available when I called couple of months back. (instead of $69/night block rate they quoted $129 for 1st and last nights, and $89 for other 2 nights!.. suites were only $72/night, so it was a no brainer!) Any other NG readers making the show, that would like to meet up for a face to face?? RTB I know will be manning a booth.. Rich I will check in with registration and try to track you down.. "Nedra" wrote in message thlink.net... Greg, I know your post was *not* directed to me. I can't buy any Koi at all - no matter how reasonable due to my pond not having a bottom drain or a skimmer. $$ are too short for the foreseeable future to fix those two minuses.Thanks for the info anyway. Nedra http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836 http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118 "Gregory Young" wrote in message . .. If you want some quality koi, for reasonable $$, you may want to check out Koi by Keiren, located in Pa near Philadelphia, or Harry Abel's place in Virginia. The latter is regarded as the place to go for the best quality imports on the East coast, but the former is pretty close.. Both are major Japanese importers, are active with AKCA, and MAKC, host wet labs with Drs Johnson, Yoshi, etc., and both will have some of their fish on display at the upcoming national Koi America show in Chantilly Virginia August 8 - 10th. You can get quality Japanese Koi, (younger of course), but from good blood lines for $150 and up. Why spend even $150??.. that's easy. All you have to do is to see the fish side by side. The colors and patterns of the Japanese Koi blow the domestics away. The reds are true reds, not orange reds. Again, unless you see them side by side you won't necessarily appreciate how much they differ. We've certainly made progress in domestics, but there still are large differences between domestics and the Japanese imports. I guess if you want to buy adult show champs, etc, you could pay the $$, but I agree.. I would not want to pay that kind of $$ for fish in an outside environment, with variables that are sometimes hard to control. I would rather buy them young and watch them grow... Each to their own.. it depends on what you want. Some of the nicest koi, may be the least attractive! Happy ponding, Greg -- "jammer" wrote in message ... $3500 for a freakin' fish that lives outside? UNH UH! Did anyone here do anything that crazy when buying fish? I am attached to my 12 cent feeder! On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 08:25:05 -0600, johnrutz wrote: cant remember if the url was posted or not so here it is -- http://www.brettsfishfarm.com/default.html John Rutz Z5 New Mexico never miss a good oportunity to shut up see my pond at: http://www.fuerjefe.com |
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29-07-2003, 03:05 PM
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I purchased one of my fish from Ray Abel, a beautiful little goromo that
took second place, and all I wanted to do was keep him someplace for a few days until I was ready to go home! The judges said he would have done better, but it was mid-March, and the poor little guy was a bit skinny from winter. FWIW: take a bib to protect your shirt from the drool . . . the man has some fanTAStic fish! Lee "Gregory Young" wrote in message ... Hi Nedra: No, not at all! I was just responding to jammer, agreeing with him on the cost of some Koi, which can go for megabucks!! Inside, in a controlled (or at least semicontrolled environment), I could understand it if you had lots of $$ you wished to invest in your hobby, but outside, at least here in WNY, I could never understand it, unless it they were kept in a heated, enclosed pond.... I still haven't caught my mink, (who fished out my koi and GF)despite all my best efforts with baited have-a-hearts, but the pros warned me mink were too clever to catch in that fashion. But even a professional trapper had no luck, so I guess I will go with a low visibility electric fence (about 4 inches above ground level). I was looking at the fi-shock, but they want a large amount of $$ for a simple fence (retail $155 for 10 posts, wire, shocker and ground rod). As I need a total of about 146 feet to go around everything, it will cost lots more than that. I can do it for a fraction of that cost, but will have to look around for small decorative plastic posts that can serve as insulated standoffs. The wire I have, the shocker I can get for $30 maximum. Mink vs. man.. should be interesting to see who wins. I think my wife is betting on the mink, and she is usually right! Happy ponding, Greg PS I really intend to bring back some of Abel's Koi (thanks for the correction on the typo Rich) from the Koi USA show, so I have to keep them safe somehow! I have 6 weeks while they are in isolation in my show tank to get everything setup. PPS Rich.. a little steep? Wow, some get right up there, but all the AKCA staff, judges, and almost all of the MAKC folks I have talked to/corresponded with swear he is #1, so I will check him out Monday, following the show.. Am bringing a small group from my Koi club here in WNY (8 counting me), so it should be fun. We will be staying at the Suites across the way, as the block rates for host hotel were not available when I called couple of months back. (instead of $69/night block rate they quoted $129 for 1st and last nights, and $89 for other 2 nights!.. suites were only $72/night, so it was a no brainer!) Any other NG readers making the show, that would like to meet up for a face to face?? RTB I know will be manning a booth.. Rich I will check in with registration and try to track you down.. "Nedra" wrote in message thlink.net... Greg, I know your post was *not* directed to me. I can't buy any Koi at all - no matter how reasonable due to my pond not having a bottom drain or a skimmer. $$ are too short for the foreseeable future to fix those two minuses.Thanks for the info anyway. Nedra http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836 http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118 "Gregory Young" wrote in message . .. If you want some quality koi, for reasonable $$, you may want to check out Koi by Keiren, located in Pa near Philadelphia, or Harry Abel's place in Virginia. The latter is regarded as the place to go for the best quality imports on the East coast, but the former is pretty close.. Both are major Japanese importers, are active with AKCA, and MAKC, host wet labs with Drs Johnson, Yoshi, etc., and both will have some of their fish on display at the upcoming national Koi America show in Chantilly Virginia August 8 - 10th. You can get quality Japanese Koi, (younger of course), but from good blood lines for $150 and up. Why spend even $150??.. that's easy. All you have to do is to see the fish side by side. The colors and patterns of the Japanese Koi blow the domestics away. The reds are true reds, not orange reds. Again, unless you see them side by side you won't necessarily appreciate how much they differ. We've certainly made progress in domestics, but there still are large differences between domestics and the Japanese imports. I guess if you want to buy adult show champs, etc, you could pay the $$, but I agree.. I would not want to pay that kind of $$ for fish in an outside environment, with variables that are sometimes hard to control. I would rather buy them young and watch them grow... Each to their own.. it depends on what you want. Some of the nicest koi, may be the least attractive! Happy ponding, Greg -- "jammer" wrote in message ... $3500 for a freakin' fish that lives outside? UNH UH! Did anyone here do anything that crazy when buying fish? I am attached to my 12 cent feeder! On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 08:25:05 -0600, johnrutz wrote: cant remember if the url was posted or not so here it is -- http://www.brettsfishfarm.com/default.html John Rutz Z5 New Mexico never miss a good oportunity to shut up see my pond at: http://www.fuerjefe.com |
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30-07-2003, 02:44 AM
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Already have the bib!
Thanks Lee! -- "Lee Brouillet" wrote in message ... I purchased one of my fish from Ray Abel, a beautiful little goromo that took second place, and all I wanted to do was keep him someplace for a few days until I was ready to go home! The judges said he would have done better, but it was mid-March, and the poor little guy was a bit skinny from winter. FWIW: take a bib to protect your shirt from the drool . . . the man has some fanTAStic fish! Lee "Gregory Young" wrote in message ... Hi Nedra: No, not at all! I was just responding to jammer, agreeing with him on the cost of some Koi, which can go for megabucks!! Inside, in a controlled (or at least semicontrolled environment), I could understand it if you had lots of $$ you wished to invest in your hobby, but outside, at least here in WNY, I could never understand it, unless it they were kept in a heated, enclosed pond.... I still haven't caught my mink, (who fished out my koi and GF)despite all my best efforts with baited have-a-hearts, but the pros warned me mink were too clever to catch in that fashion. But even a professional trapper had no luck, so I guess I will go with a low visibility electric fence (about 4 inches above ground level). I was looking at the fi-shock, but they want a large amount of $$ for a simple fence (retail $155 for 10 posts, wire, shocker and ground rod). As I need a total of about 146 feet to go around everything, it will cost lots more than that. I can do it for a fraction of that cost, but will have to look around for small decorative plastic posts that can serve as insulated standoffs. The wire I have, the shocker I can get for $30 maximum. Mink vs. man.. should be interesting to see who wins. I think my wife is betting on the mink, and she is usually right! Happy ponding, Greg PS I really intend to bring back some of Abel's Koi (thanks for the correction on the typo Rich) from the Koi USA show, so I have to keep them safe somehow! I have 6 weeks while they are in isolation in my show tank to get everything setup. PPS Rich.. a little steep? Wow, some get right up there, but all the AKCA staff, judges, and almost all of the MAKC folks I have talked to/corresponded with swear he is #1, so I will check him out Monday, following the show.. Am bringing a small group from my Koi club here in WNY (8 counting me), so it should be fun. We will be staying at the Suites across the way, as the block rates for host hotel were not available when I called couple of months back. (instead of $69/night block rate they quoted $129 for 1st and last nights, and $89 for other 2 nights!.. suites were only $72/night, so it was a no brainer!) Any other NG readers making the show, that would like to meet up for a face to face?? RTB I know will be manning a booth.. Rich I will check in with registration and try to track you down.. "Nedra" wrote in message thlink.net... Greg, I know your post was *not* directed to me. I can't buy any Koi at all - no matter how reasonable due to my pond not having a bottom drain or a skimmer. $$ are too short for the foreseeable future to fix those two minuses.Thanks for the info anyway. Nedra http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836 http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118 "Gregory Young" wrote in message . .. If you want some quality koi, for reasonable $$, you may want to check out Koi by Keiren, located in Pa near Philadelphia, or Harry Abel's place in Virginia. The latter is regarded as the place to go for the best quality imports on the East coast, but the former is pretty close.. Both are major Japanese importers, are active with AKCA, and MAKC, host wet labs with Drs Johnson, Yoshi, etc., and both will have some of their fish on display at the upcoming national Koi America show in Chantilly Virginia August 8 - 10th. You can get quality Japanese Koi, (younger of course), but from good blood lines for $150 and up. Why spend even $150??.. that's easy. All you have to do is to see the fish side by side. The colors and patterns of the Japanese Koi blow the domestics away. The reds are true reds, not orange reds. Again, unless you see them side by side you won't necessarily appreciate how much they differ. We've certainly made progress in domestics, but there still are large differences between domestics and the Japanese imports. I guess if you want to buy adult show champs, etc, you could pay the $$, but I agree.. I would not want to pay that kind of $$ for fish in an outside environment, with variables that are sometimes hard to control. I would rather buy them young and watch them grow... Each to their own.. it depends on what you want. Some of the nicest koi, may be the least attractive! Happy ponding, Greg -- "jammer" wrote in message ... $3500 for a freakin' fish that lives outside? UNH UH! Did anyone here do anything that crazy when buying fish? I am attached to my 12 cent feeder! On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 08:25:05 -0600, johnrutz wrote: cant remember if the url was posted or not so here it is -- http://www.brettsfishfarm.com/default.html John Rutz Z5 New Mexico never miss a good oportunity to shut up see my pond at: http://www.fuerjefe.com |
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30-07-2003, 02:47 AM
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Thanks Rich.. that is a very nice offer! We will definitely look you and
your wife up! We will staying until Monday, so we would love to get to "the other side of town" if it fits in with your schedule! Take care, Greg "RichToyBox" wrote in message news:PujVa.2459$o%2.2224@sccrnsc02... Greg, The wife and I are on the MAKC booth Friday evening 4-6. Come on by, I would love to lay eyes on some of the people on the newsgroup. If you are coming to Richmond to see Ray, you are welcome to come to the other side of town and see my ponds and gardens. And yes, Ray has a lot of gorgeous fish. -- RichToyBox http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html "Gregory Young" wrote in message ... Hi Nedra: No, not at all! I was just responding to jammer, agreeing with him on the cost of some Koi, which can go for megabucks!! Inside, in a controlled (or at least semicontrolled environment), I could understand it if you had lots of $$ you wished to invest in your hobby, but outside, at least here in WNY, I could never understand it, unless it they were kept in a heated, enclosed pond.... I still haven't caught my mink, (who fished out my koi and GF)despite all my best efforts with baited have-a-hearts, but the pros warned me mink were too clever to catch in that fashion. But even a professional trapper had no luck, so I guess I will go with a low visibility electric fence (about 4 inches above ground level). I was looking at the fi-shock, but they want a large amount of $$ for a simple fence (retail $155 for 10 posts, wire, shocker and ground rod). As I need a total of about 146 feet to go around everything, it will cost lots more than that. I can do it for a fraction of that cost, but will have to look around for small decorative plastic posts that can serve as insulated standoffs. The wire I have, the shocker I can get for $30 maximum. Mink vs. man.. should be interesting to see who wins. I think my wife is betting on the mink, and she is usually right! Happy ponding, Greg PS I really intend to bring back some of Abel's Koi (thanks for the correction on the typo Rich) from the Koi USA show, so I have to keep them safe somehow! I have 6 weeks while they are in isolation in my show tank to get everything setup. PPS Rich.. a little steep? Wow, some get right up there, but all the AKCA staff, judges, and almost all of the MAKC folks I have talked to/corresponded with swear he is #1, so I will check him out Monday, following the show.. Am bringing a small group from my Koi club here in WNY (8 counting me), so it should be fun. We will be staying at the Suites across the way, as the block rates for host hotel were not available when I called couple of months back. (instead of $69/night block rate they quoted $129 for 1st and last nights, and $89 for other 2 nights!.. suites were only $72/night, so it was a no brainer!) Any other NG readers making the show, that would like to meet up for a face to face?? RTB I know will be manning a booth.. Rich I will check in with registration and try to track you down.. "Nedra" wrote in message thlink.net... Greg, I know your post was *not* directed to me. I can't buy any Koi at all - no matter how reasonable due to my pond not having a bottom drain or a skimmer. $$ are too short for the foreseeable future to fix those two minuses.Thanks for the info anyway. Nedra http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836 http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118 "Gregory Young" wrote in message . .. If you want some quality koi, for reasonable $$, you may want to check out Koi by Keiren, located in Pa near Philadelphia, or Harry Abel's place in Virginia. The latter is regarded as the place to go for the best quality imports on the East coast, but the former is pretty close.. Both are major Japanese importers, are active with AKCA, and MAKC, host wet labs with Drs Johnson, Yoshi, etc., and both will have some of their fish on display at the upcoming national Koi America show in Chantilly Virginia August 8 - 10th. You can get quality Japanese Koi, (younger of course), but from good blood lines for $150 and up. Why spend even $150??.. that's easy. All you have to do is to see the fish side by side. The colors and patterns of the Japanese Koi blow the domestics away. The reds are true reds, not orange reds. Again, unless you see them side by side you won't necessarily appreciate how much they differ. We've certainly made progress in domestics, but there still are large differences between domestics and the Japanese imports. I guess if you want to buy adult show champs, etc, you could pay the $$, but I agree.. I would not want to pay that kind of $$ for fish in an outside environment, with variables that are sometimes hard to control. I would rather buy them young and watch them grow... Each to their own.. it depends on what you want. Some of the nicest koi, may be the least attractive! Happy ponding, Greg -- "jammer" wrote in message ... $3500 for a freakin' fish that lives outside? UNH UH! Did anyone here do anything that crazy when buying fish? I am attached to my 12 cent feeder! On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 08:25:05 -0600, johnrutz wrote: cant remember if the url was posted or not so here it is -- http://www.brettsfishfarm.com/default.html John Rutz Z5 New Mexico never miss a good oportunity to shut up see my pond at: http://www.fuerjefe.com |
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05-08-2003, 04:20 AM
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Greg,
The wife and I are on the MAKC booth Friday evening 4-6. Come on by, I would love to lay eyes on some of the people on the newsgroup. If you are coming to Richmond to see Ray, you are welcome to come to the other side of town and see my ponds and gardens. And yes, Ray has a lot of gorgeous fish. -- RichToyBox http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html "Gregory Young" wrote in message ... Hi Nedra: No, not at all! I was just responding to jammer, agreeing with him on the cost of some Koi, which can go for megabucks!! Inside, in a controlled (or at least semicontrolled environment), I could understand it if you had lots of $$ you wished to invest in your hobby, but outside, at least here in WNY, I could never understand it, unless it they were kept in a heated, enclosed pond.... I still haven't caught my mink, (who fished out my koi and GF)despite all my best efforts with baited have-a-hearts, but the pros warned me mink were too clever to catch in that fashion. But even a professional trapper had no luck, so I guess I will go with a low visibility electric fence (about 4 inches above ground level). I was looking at the fi-shock, but they want a large amount of $$ for a simple fence (retail $155 for 10 posts, wire, shocker and ground rod). As I need a total of about 146 feet to go around everything, it will cost lots more than that. I can do it for a fraction of that cost, but will have to look around for small decorative plastic posts that can serve as insulated standoffs. The wire I have, the shocker I can get for $30 maximum. Mink vs. man.. should be interesting to see who wins. I think my wife is betting on the mink, and she is usually right! Happy ponding, Greg PS I really intend to bring back some of Abel's Koi (thanks for the correction on the typo Rich) from the Koi USA show, so I have to keep them safe somehow! I have 6 weeks while they are in isolation in my show tank to get everything setup. PPS Rich.. a little steep? Wow, some get right up there, but all the AKCA staff, judges, and almost all of the MAKC folks I have talked to/corresponded with swear he is #1, so I will check him out Monday, following the show.. Am bringing a small group from my Koi club here in WNY (8 counting me), so it should be fun. We will be staying at the Suites across the way, as the block rates for host hotel were not available when I called couple of months back. (instead of $69/night block rate they quoted $129 for 1st and last nights, and $89 for other 2 nights!.. suites were only $72/night, so it was a no brainer!) Any other NG readers making the show, that would like to meet up for a face to face?? RTB I know will be manning a booth.. Rich I will check in with registration and try to track you down.. "Nedra" wrote in message thlink.net... Greg, I know your post was *not* directed to me. I can't buy any Koi at all - no matter how reasonable due to my pond not having a bottom drain or a skimmer. $$ are too short for the foreseeable future to fix those two minuses.Thanks for the info anyway. Nedra http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836 http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118 "Gregory Young" wrote in message . .. If you want some quality koi, for reasonable $$, you may want to check out Koi by Keiren, located in Pa near Philadelphia, or Harry Abel's place in Virginia. The latter is regarded as the place to go for the best quality imports on the East coast, but the former is pretty close.. Both are major Japanese importers, are active with AKCA, and MAKC, host wet labs with Drs Johnson, Yoshi, etc., and both will have some of their fish on display at the upcoming national Koi America show in Chantilly Virginia August 8 - 10th. You can get quality Japanese Koi, (younger of course), but from good blood lines for $150 and up. Why spend even $150??.. that's easy. All you have to do is to see the fish side by side. The colors and patterns of the Japanese Koi blow the domestics away. The reds are true reds, not orange reds. Again, unless you see them side by side you won't necessarily appreciate how much they differ. We've certainly made progress in domestics, but there still are large differences between domestics and the Japanese imports. I guess if you want to buy adult show champs, etc, you could pay the $$, but I agree.. I would not want to pay that kind of $$ for fish in an outside environment, with variables that are sometimes hard to control. I would rather buy them young and watch them grow... Each to their own.. it depends on what you want. Some of the nicest koi, may be the least attractive! Happy ponding, Greg -- "jammer" wrote in message ... $3500 for a freakin' fish that lives outside? UNH UH! Did anyone here do anything that crazy when buying fish? I am attached to my 12 cent feeder! On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 08:25:05 -0600, johnrutz wrote: cant remember if the url was posted or not so here it is -- http://www.brettsfishfarm.com/default.html John Rutz Z5 New Mexico never miss a good oportunity to shut up see my pond at: http://www.fuerjefe.com |
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