Hey BV, or "the man with the T-shirt" ;-)

Yeah I know, upward water pressure can be really really strong. Still, the
pump sits on "top" of the rock, so it should help a bit if it all goes pear
shaped again. Or then again maybe not...

One thing that might save the fish (if they are smart) is that the pond is
actually 2 ponds with a small opening (approx 1 ft by 1 ft) towards their
"bedroom" under the deck. Pumps are only in the outside part, so if they
drain, the "bedroom" will still keep about 5 ft of water.

Still, knowing what I know now, if I had to do it again, it would be
concrete/brick (insulated) walls/polyester/top coating. Hmmm... maybe next
year :-)

The liner thing is giving me the creeps to be honest. As expensive as it
was.

Theo

"BenignVanilla" schreef in bericht
...
Theo...I speak from experience. If your 'rock' cannot be described as 'a
boulder', 'it took 5 of us to move it', 'and then the back hoe put it
down',
or 'as big as a volkswagon'...IT WILL NOT hold the liner down. I had
probably close to 100 lb's of rock on my liner before the pond was done,
and
my VF lifted ALL of it out of the ground.

Water is stronger then the hulk AND spiderman.

BV.

LOL Can you see me at the analyst discussing my new addiction and dreams of
my pond/fish? Thank God I have other things that preoccupy my time.

I like the ideas of the pump in the skimmer or VF. Since I am about to
enlarge I guess this should be the plan, but all pumps I have looked at in
the Sequence series are out of pond. Joann
"Lee Brouillet" wrote in message
...
Everyone else has given you very good suggestions for moving the pump off
the bottom of the pond. My pump intake is in my skimmer box, so the max it
can pump out accidently is about 25%. If I want to pump out more than that
on purpose, I have to switch piping.

As far as your dreams are concerned: yeh, I have nightmares about the
pond,
too. It's usually my mind working out a problem, or warning me that I have
to take care of an existing "fault" before it *becomes* a problem! It just
shows that you're a responsible pond owner! It's not bad enough that you
spend a considerable amount of time on a daily basis worrying about the
li'l
darlin's, then you have to DREAM about them, too????? GBG!

Lee

"FBCS" wrote in message
...
I awoke this morning and as every morning I went outside for a quick
trip
to
the pond to feed the fish while coffee is making. To my horror not the
usual
nice sounds of water running down the falls, but the gurgling of a
submersed
pump in an just about empty pond. Fortunately there was about 3" of
water
left for the fish. I filled it back up and the fish are doing fine. Even
with all this new water I still have murky water.

Last night we had tornado warnings resulting in bad lightening and rain
storm. Filter material I placed in the falls to clean some of the
smaller
particles got turned around and caused the falls to run over.

What is really weird is I have dreams like this. I come out, the pond
empty
.... or fish laying outside the pond.... or all floating. I think I read
to
many rec mails. Anyone want to analyze this. Joann

Hi Rich I like this idea, if I don't get my new pond (digging) completed
this year.
"RichToyBox" wrote in message
et...
Set the pump on a bucket, block or chimney flue to keep it off the bottom
of
the pond. If you can, make a plumbing connection to the pump that goes to
the bottom with pipe for the pickup to act as a bottom drain, but put a
hole
in the pipe near the pump. When the water falls lower than the hole, the
pump will start pumping air, and the fish will still have an adequate
amount
of water to swim in.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html


"FBCS" wrote in message
...
I awoke this morning and as every morning I went outside for a quick
trip
to
the pond to feed the fish while coffee is making. To my horror not the
usual
nice sounds of water running down the falls, but the gurgling of a
submersed
pump in an just about empty pond. Fortunately there was about 3" of
water
left for the fish. I filled it back up and the fish are doing fine. Even
with all this new water I still have murky water.

Last night we had tornado warnings resulting in bad lightening and rain
storm. Filter material I placed in the falls to clean some of the
smaller
particles got turned around and caused the falls to run over.

What is really weird is I have dreams like this. I come out, the pond
empty
.... or fish laying outside the pond.... or all floating. I think I read
to
many rec mails. Anyone want to analyze this. Joann

Sorry for the loss, my fish seem to be okay.
"MISSYMAGICGIRL" wrote in message
...
I had that same experience last week. What happened was tubbing pumping
into
the filter came loss and off the filter inlet and pumped all water out of
the
pond except for about 2 ". The next day I lost all my catfish and 2 koi's.
The
others are still ok and I just got two white catfish. i learned that
always
use tubbing fastnerers.


Sacha

Matt has the switch.
"Theo van Daele" wrote in message
...
The possible caveat with that is - as I sadly know from experience - if
the
spilled water flows back *under* the liner (if you work with a liner) it
pushes the liner up which pushes the water up to reach the pump, flows
back
under the liner... you get the idea I completely drained (no water
left
at all , maybe 50 gallon) a 6000 gallon pond in about 7 hours ...

I was just lucky to have this happen before I put my fish back into the
pond.

I now have the pump 40 cm from the bottom, but with a very large rock
(yes,
I know) underneath so that if the same ever happens again, the liner will
not just float on top but will be kept down (a bit).

I am currently looking for a switch that should stop the pumps when water
level drops say 15 inches.

Theo

"RichToyBox" schreef in bericht
et...
Set the pump on a bucket, block or chimney flue to keep it off the
bottom
of
the pond. If you can, make a plumbing connection to the pump that goes
to
the bottom with pipe for the pickup to act as a bottom drain, but put a
hole
in the pipe near the pump. When the water falls lower than the hole,
the
pump will start pumping air, and the fish will still have an adequate
amount
of water to swim in.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html


"FBCS" wrote in message
...
I awoke this morning and as every morning I went outside for a quick
trip
to
the pond to feed the fish while coffee is making. To my horror not the
usual
nice sounds of water running down the falls, but the gurgling of a
submersed
pump in an just about empty pond. Fortunately there was about 3" of
water
left for the fish. I filled it back up and the fish are doing fine.
Even
with all this new water I still have murky water.

Last night we had tornado warnings resulting in bad lightening and
rain
storm. Filter material I placed in the falls to clean some of the
smaller
particles got turned around and caused the falls to run over.

What is really weird is I have dreams like this. I come out, the pond
empty
.... or fish laying outside the pond.... or all floating. I think I
read
to
many rec mails. Anyone want to analyze this. Joann

It has been messed up since early season. We have had soooo..... much rain
this year, plus an overload of fish and changing Mech bio filter mid stream
hasn't helped. I need a bigger pond, a bigger filter and a bigger purse.
Thanks for the hug, i'm just glad my fish are okay. Joann
"Anne Lurie" wrote in message
...
{{{{Joann}}}

Aside from a cyber-hug, I don't have much to offer, since my teeny water
garden pales in comparison to what many here in rec.ponds have.

However, here's a thought: you might have murky water in your pond
because
the whole water system was messed up, big-time, by the storm you
described?

Anne Lurie
Raleigh, NC



"FBCS" wrote in message
...
I awoke this morning and as every morning I went outside for a quick
trip
to
the pond to feed the fish while coffee is making. To my horror not the
usual
nice sounds of water running down the falls, but the gurgling of a
submersed
pump in an just about empty pond. Fortunately there was about 3" of
water
left for the fish. I filled it back up and the fish are doing fine. Even
with all this new water I still have murky water.

Last night we had tornado warnings resulting in bad lightening and rain
storm. Filter material I placed in the falls to clean some of the
smaller
particles got turned around and caused the falls to run over.

What is really weird is I have dreams like this. I come out, the pond
empty
.... or fish laying outside the pond.... or all floating. I think I read
to
many rec mails. Anyone want to analyze this. Joann

Yes, well water out of the hose holding high above the water ( I am
learning/ air pump thread). Fortunetly I have a higher pond that feed the
lower that drained so the old pond water mingled with the new. Now the water
is worse color than ever.
wrote in message
...
did you run in ice cold water? I would highly suggest you move that pump
higher into
the top 1/3 of the water column so you dont lose even that much water.
Ingrid

"FBCS" wrote:
I awoke this morning and as every morning I went outside for a quick trip
to
the pond to feed the fish while coffee is making. To my horror not the
usual
nice sounds of water running down the falls, but the gurgling of a
submersed
pump in an just about empty pond. Fortunately there was about 3" of water
left for the fish. I filled it back up and the fish are doing fine. Even
with all this new water I still have murky water.


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"~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 20:09:15 GMT, "FBCS" wrote:

What is really weird is I have dreams like this. I come out, the pond
empty
.... or fish laying outside the pond.... or all floating. I think I read
to
many rec mails. Anyone want to analyze this. Joann

Analyze the dream or the reality? I've had dreams like this, building
another pond seemed to cure me. ;o) ~ jan

See my ponds and filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website

Theo van Daele wrote:

The possible caveat with that is - as I sadly know from experience - if the
spilled water flows back *under* the liner (if you work with a liner) it
pushes the liner up which pushes the water up to reach the pump, flows back
under the liner... you get the idea I completely drained (no water left
at all , maybe 50 gallon) a 6000 gallon pond in about 7 hours ...

I was just lucky to have this happen before I put my fish back into the
pond.

I now have the pump 40 cm from the bottom, but with a very large rock (yes,
I know) underneath so that if the same ever happens again, the liner will
not just float on top but will be kept down (a bit).

I am currently looking for a switch that should stop the pumps when water
level drops say 15 inches.

I haven't seen them for sale as an add on: I bought my pump with one
fitted, like this one:

http://www.drapertools.com/draper/te...up=7058&g=4988

This means my pump can be at the lowest point on the pond and so manged
to suck up more of the grud that gets down there.

Thinking about it, I suppose you could rig up a float switch bought from
RS Components (http://rswww.com) or similar.


--
Matt Helliwell
www.helliwell.me.uk
matt at helliwell dot me dot uk

In article , "FBCS"
writes:


Sorry for the loss, my fish seem to be okay.

Thanks.

Looking in to it right now, thanks for the pointer.


"Matt Helliwell" schreef in bericht
...

I haven't seen them for sale as an add on: I bought my pump with one
fitted, like this one:


http://www.drapertools.com/draper/te...sp?itemgroup=7
058&g=4988

This means my pump can be at the lowest point on the pond and so manged
to suck up more of the grud that gets down there.

Thinking about it, I suppose you could rig up a float switch bought from
RS Components (http://rswww.com) or similar.

Joann,

My sequence pump was plumbed into the back of my skimmer box. I have since
added a vortex for the bottom drain and both the skimmer and vortex are
plumbed to the sequence pump. The pump sits in the shed about 15 feet away
from the pond.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html


"FBCS" wrote in message
...
LOL Can you see me at the analyst discussing my new addiction and dreams
of
my pond/fish? Thank God I have other things that preoccupy my time.

I like the ideas of the pump in the skimmer or VF. Since I am about to
enlarge I guess this should be the plan, but all pumps I have looked at in
the Sequence series are out of pond. Joann
"Lee Brouillet" wrote in message
...
Everyone else has given you very good suggestions for moving the pump
off
the bottom of the pond. My pump intake is in my skimmer box, so the max
it
can pump out accidently is about 25%. If I want to pump out more than
that
on purpose, I have to switch piping.

As far as your dreams are concerned: yeh, I have nightmares about the
pond,
too. It's usually my mind working out a problem, or warning me that I
have
to take care of an existing "fault" before it *becomes* a problem! It
just
shows that you're a responsible pond owner! It's not bad enough that you
spend a considerable amount of time on a daily basis worrying about the
li'l
darlin's, then you have to DREAM about them, too????? GBG!

Lee

"FBCS" wrote in message
...
I awoke this morning and as every morning I went outside for a quick
trip
to
the pond to feed the fish while coffee is making. To my horror not the
usual
nice sounds of water running down the falls, but the gurgling of a
submersed
pump in an just about empty pond. Fortunately there was about 3" of
water
left for the fish. I filled it back up and the fish are doing fine.
Even
with all this new water I still have murky water.

Last night we had tornado warnings resulting in bad lightening and
rain
storm. Filter material I placed in the falls to clean some of the
smaller
particles got turned around and caused the falls to run over.

What is really weird is I have dreams like this. I come out, the pond
empty
.... or fish laying outside the pond.... or all floating. I think I
read
to
many rec mails. Anyone want to analyze this. Joann

yes., it is rare that a cement block is a problem or creates a problem with pH.
gotta be very small pond. Ingrid

(GaneaRowenna) wrote:

I placed my pump on the top of a cinder block. I hear you, but I had the
block soaking for a year before I added fish, shouldn't I be safe by now?

ShawenAnne
High Desert, Zone 6



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http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.