EROSPAM (Ka30P) wrote in message ...
Dave wrote:
Thanks. I wish it included info on how and where frogs hibernate.
This is critical to deciding how I will construct my pond.


Depends on the frog.
Some frogs, such as bullfrogs and leopard frogs, spend the winter at
the bottom of the pond. Other frogs, such as the tree and chorus frogs,
spend their winters in leaf litter and under logs.

Frogs that winter under water like a bit of mud, some leaf litter or
a tub of nice mud to hang out in. Most importantly they need a hole
kept open in the ice. This allows built up gasses from decomposing
pond matter to leave the pond. Since our garden ponds are usually
over stocked and over planted this is important. Mother Nature
usually doesn't have this to worry about.


That is what I was afraid of. So how much water depth and bottom mud
depth does that imply? I guess I need a deep center area where the
liner can be backfilled with mud. Thanks.

EROSPAM (Ka30P) wrote in message ...
Dave wrote:
Thanks. I wish it included info on how and where frogs hibernate.
This is critical to deciding how I will construct my pond.


Depends on the frog.
Some frogs, such as bullfrogs and leopard frogs, spend the winter at
the bottom of the pond. Other frogs, such as the tree and chorus frogs,
spend their winters in leaf litter and under logs.

Frogs that winter under water like a bit of mud, some leaf litter or
a tub of nice mud to hang out in. Most importantly they need a hole
kept open in the ice. This allows built up gasses from decomposing
pond matter to leave the pond. Since our garden ponds are usually
over stocked and over planted this is important. Mother Nature
usually doesn't have this to worry about.


That is what I was afraid of. So how much water depth and bottom mud
depth does that imply? I guess I need a deep center area where the
liner can be backfilled with mud. Thanks.

My pond, here in zone 7, is about two feet deep.
The ice can get as thick as four to five inches but that is very rare as we
have mild winters. You need to plan for conditions in your area.
Frogs don't bury themselves too much, they just like to snuggle up. So I would
not put in a mud hole in the pond. Turtles and frogs have overwintered in my
pond with just a thin layer of muck down there. Depends on the year but could
have been as thick as two inches.
More important is a hole open in the ice.


ka30p
http://www.geocities.com/watergarden...dors/home.html

My pond, here in zone 7, is about two feet deep.
The ice can get as thick as four to five inches but that is very rare as we
have mild winters. You need to plan for conditions in your area.
Frogs don't bury themselves too much, they just like to snuggle up. So I would
not put in a mud hole in the pond. Turtles and frogs have overwintered in my
pond with just a thin layer of muck down there. Depends on the year but could
have been as thick as two inches.
More important is a hole open in the ice.


ka30p
http://www.geocities.com/watergarden...dors/home.html

EROSPAM (Ka30P) wrote in message ...
Dave wrote:
Thanks. I wish it included info on how and where frogs hibernate.
This is critical to deciding how I will construct my pond.


Depends on the frog.
Some frogs, such as bullfrogs and leopard frogs, spend the winter at
the bottom of the pond. Other frogs, such as the tree and chorus frogs,
spend their winters in leaf litter and under logs.

Frogs that winter under water like a bit of mud, some leaf litter or
a tub of nice mud to hang out in. Most importantly they need a hole
kept open in the ice. This allows built up gasses from decomposing
pond matter to leave the pond. Since our garden ponds are usually
over stocked and over planted this is important. Mother Nature
usually doesn't have this to worry about.


That is what I was afraid of. So how much water depth and bottom mud
depth does that imply? I guess I need a deep center area where the
liner can be backfilled with mud. Thanks.

EROSPAM (Ka30P) wrote in message ...
Dave wrote:
Thanks. I wish it included info on how and where frogs hibernate.
This is critical to deciding how I will construct my pond.


Depends on the frog.
Some frogs, such as bullfrogs and leopard frogs, spend the winter at
the bottom of the pond. Other frogs, such as the tree and chorus frogs,
spend their winters in leaf litter and under logs.

Frogs that winter under water like a bit of mud, some leaf litter or
a tub of nice mud to hang out in. Most importantly they need a hole
kept open in the ice. This allows built up gasses from decomposing
pond matter to leave the pond. Since our garden ponds are usually
over stocked and over planted this is important. Mother Nature
usually doesn't have this to worry about.


That is what I was afraid of. So how much water depth and bottom mud
depth does that imply? I guess I need a deep center area where the
liner can be backfilled with mud. Thanks.

My pond, here in zone 7, is about two feet deep.
The ice can get as thick as four to five inches but that is very rare as we
have mild winters. You need to plan for conditions in your area.
Frogs don't bury themselves too much, they just like to snuggle up. So I would
not put in a mud hole in the pond. Turtles and frogs have overwintered in my
pond with just a thin layer of muck down there. Depends on the year but could
have been as thick as two inches.
More important is a hole open in the ice.


ka30p
http://www.geocities.com/watergarden...dors/home.html

My pond, here in zone 7, is about two feet deep.
The ice can get as thick as four to five inches but that is very rare as we
have mild winters. You need to plan for conditions in your area.
Frogs don't bury themselves too much, they just like to snuggle up. So I would
not put in a mud hole in the pond. Turtles and frogs have overwintered in my
pond with just a thin layer of muck down there. Depends on the year but could
have been as thick as two inches.
More important is a hole open in the ice.


ka30p
http://www.geocities.com/watergarden...dors/home.html

EROSPAM (Ka30P) wrote in message ...
My pond, here in zone 7, is about two feet deep.
The ice can get as thick as four to five inches but that is very rare as we
have mild winters. You need to plan for conditions in your area.
Frogs don't bury themselves too much, they just like to snuggle up. So I would
not put in a mud hole in the pond. Turtles and frogs have overwintered in my
pond with just a thin layer of muck down there. Depends on the year but could
have been as thick as two inches.
More important is a hole open in the ice.

http://www.geocities.com/watergarden...dors/home.html

And just how do you keep a hole in the ice on a remote pond? It seems
that we don't get the cold winters we did years ago here but still the
ice can easily get to six inches and stay frozen for many weeks. I
could poke a small hole in the ice but it would freeze up within a
short time. We don't get enough wind to do any wind-powered trickery.

Dave wrote And just how do you keep a hole in the ice on a remote pond?

No power out there, eh?
Then I suggest you make the pond as big
as you can afford. Stock it very lightly with a some
rosie red minnows or use mosquito dunks to keep the mosquito larvae down. No
lilies in the pond, unless you remove them before winter (plant in pots). That
way you won't have the problem with an over abundance of rotting vegetation and
fish waste to produce toxic gasses.
Any severe winter is going to cause aquatic animal deaths but the cleaner the
pond is going into the winter the better the critters will do who spend the
winter under the ice.
Another way is to fill a milk jug with black sand and place a couple of them
around the pond. Works in milder winters.





ka30p
http://www.geocities.com/watergarden...dors/home.html

EROSPAM (Ka30P) wrote in message ...
My pond, here in zone 7, is about two feet deep.
The ice can get as thick as four to five inches but that is very rare as we
have mild winters. You need to plan for conditions in your area.
Frogs don't bury themselves too much, they just like to snuggle up. So I would
not put in a mud hole in the pond. Turtles and frogs have overwintered in my
pond with just a thin layer of muck down there. Depends on the year but could
have been as thick as two inches.
More important is a hole open in the ice.

http://www.geocities.com/watergarden...dors/home.html

And just how do you keep a hole in the ice on a remote pond? It seems
that we don't get the cold winters we did years ago here but still the
ice can easily get to six inches and stay frozen for many weeks. I
could poke a small hole in the ice but it would freeze up within a
short time. We don't get enough wind to do any wind-powered trickery.

Dave wrote And just how do you keep a hole in the ice on a remote pond?

No power out there, eh?
Then I suggest you make the pond as big
as you can afford. Stock it very lightly with a some
rosie red minnows or use mosquito dunks to keep the mosquito larvae down. No
lilies in the pond, unless you remove them before winter (plant in pots). That
way you won't have the problem with an over abundance of rotting vegetation and
fish waste to produce toxic gasses.
Any severe winter is going to cause aquatic animal deaths but the cleaner the
pond is going into the winter the better the critters will do who spend the
winter under the ice.
Another way is to fill a milk jug with black sand and place a couple of them
around the pond. Works in milder winters.





ka30p
http://www.geocities.com/watergarden...dors/home.html

OK what does the blank sand do (and what is it???) DK
"Ka30P" wrote in message
...
Dave wrote And just how do you keep a hole in the ice on a remote pond?


No power out there, eh?
Then I suggest you make the pond as big
as you can afford. Stock it very lightly with a some
rosie red minnows or use mosquito dunks to keep the mosquito larvae down.
No
lilies in the pond, unless you remove them before winter (plant in pots).
That
way you won't have the problem with an over abundance of rotting
vegetation and
fish waste to produce toxic gasses.
Any severe winter is going to cause aquatic animal deaths but the cleaner
the
pond is going into the winter the better the critters will do who spend
the
winter under the ice.
Another way is to fill a milk jug with black sand and place a couple of
them
around the pond. Works in milder winters.





ka30p
http://www.geocities.com/watergarden...dors/home.html

OK what does the blank sand do (and what is it???) DK
"Ka30P" wrote in message
...
Dave wrote And just how do you keep a hole in the ice on a remote pond?


No power out there, eh?
Then I suggest you make the pond as big
as you can afford. Stock it very lightly with a some
rosie red minnows or use mosquito dunks to keep the mosquito larvae down.
No
lilies in the pond, unless you remove them before winter (plant in pots).
That
way you won't have the problem with an over abundance of rotting
vegetation and
fish waste to produce toxic gasses.
Any severe winter is going to cause aquatic animal deaths but the cleaner
the
pond is going into the winter the better the critters will do who spend
the
winter under the ice.
Another way is to fill a milk jug with black sand and place a couple of
them
around the pond. Works in milder winters.





ka30p
http://www.geocities.com/watergarden...dors/home.html

EROSPAM (Ka30P) wrote in message ...
My pond, here in zone 7, is about two feet deep.
The ice can get as thick as four to five inches but that is very rare as we
have mild winters. You need to plan for conditions in your area.
Frogs don't bury themselves too much, they just like to snuggle up. So I would
not put in a mud hole in the pond. Turtles and frogs have overwintered in my
pond with just a thin layer of muck down there. Depends on the year but could
have been as thick as two inches.
More important is a hole open in the ice.

http://www.geocities.com/watergarden...dors/home.html

And just how do you keep a hole in the ice on a remote pond? It seems
that we don't get the cold winters we did years ago here but still the
ice can easily get to six inches and stay frozen for many weeks. I
could poke a small hole in the ice but it would freeze up within a
short time. We don't get enough wind to do any wind-powered trickery.