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Strange behavior...
yes!! also, get aeration in the pond and what are your salt levels? Ingrid
Zookeeper wrote: Hi Sue. Have you checked your water quality? Sometimes the water parameters (pH, KH, ammonia, nitrite, etc. levels) change so quickly in the spring, that the water becomes slightly toxic and the fish react by zipping around and jumping. You might want to do a 20-30% water change just in case. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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Strange behavior...
yes!! also, get aeration in the pond and what are your salt levels? Ingrid
Zookeeper wrote: Hi Sue. Have you checked your water quality? Sometimes the water parameters (pH, KH, ammonia, nitrite, etc. levels) change so quickly in the spring, that the water becomes slightly toxic and the fish react by zipping around and jumping. You might want to do a 20-30% water change just in case. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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Strange behavior...
yes!! also, get aeration in the pond and what are your salt levels? Ingrid
Zookeeper wrote: Hi Sue. Have you checked your water quality? Sometimes the water parameters (pH, KH, ammonia, nitrite, etc. levels) change so quickly in the spring, that the water becomes slightly toxic and the fish react by zipping around and jumping. You might want to do a 20-30% water change just in case. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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Strange behavior...
Thanks, everyone. Yes, the nitrites tested high, but of course I have to
wonder why, since I've never had this problem before, especially not when it's still below freezing at night. Did a big water change, got the filter/waterfall going, threw in two more air stones (now there are four) and added some salt. (This is the first time I've ever added salt to the pond). Tested for nitrites again a day later and they are now "0", thank goodness, BUT.... the fish are still acting weird. I've removed the plant they were trying to hide behind, so now they are all trying to squeeze behind the rock border (the parts that hang down into the water) and they are all trying to cram themselves into the skimmer - I have to keep getting them out of there. What are they hiding or running from?????? Sue wrote in message ... yes!! also, get aeration in the pond and what are your salt levels? Ingrid Zookeeper wrote: Hi Sue. Have you checked your water quality? Sometimes the water parameters (pH, KH, ammonia, nitrite, etc. levels) change so quickly in the spring, that the water becomes slightly toxic and the fish react by zipping around and jumping. You might want to do a 20-30% water change just in case. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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Strange behavior...
Thanks, everyone. Yes, the nitrites tested high, but of course I have to
wonder why, since I've never had this problem before, especially not when it's still below freezing at night. Did a big water change, got the filter/waterfall going, threw in two more air stones (now there are four) and added some salt. (This is the first time I've ever added salt to the pond). Tested for nitrites again a day later and they are now "0", thank goodness, BUT.... the fish are still acting weird. I've removed the plant they were trying to hide behind, so now they are all trying to squeeze behind the rock border (the parts that hang down into the water) and they are all trying to cram themselves into the skimmer - I have to keep getting them out of there. What are they hiding or running from?????? Sue wrote in message ... yes!! also, get aeration in the pond and what are your salt levels? Ingrid Zookeeper wrote: Hi Sue. Have you checked your water quality? Sometimes the water parameters (pH, KH, ammonia, nitrite, etc. levels) change so quickly in the spring, that the water becomes slightly toxic and the fish react by zipping around and jumping. You might want to do a 20-30% water change just in case. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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Strange behavior...
Thanks, everyone. Yes, the nitrites tested high, but of course I have to
wonder why, since I've never had this problem before, especially not when it's still below freezing at night. Did a big water change, got the filter/waterfall going, threw in two more air stones (now there are four) and added some salt. (This is the first time I've ever added salt to the pond). Tested for nitrites again a day later and they are now "0", thank goodness, BUT.... the fish are still acting weird. I've removed the plant they were trying to hide behind, so now they are all trying to squeeze behind the rock border (the parts that hang down into the water) and they are all trying to cram themselves into the skimmer - I have to keep getting them out of there. What are they hiding or running from?????? Sue wrote in message ... yes!! also, get aeration in the pond and what are your salt levels? Ingrid Zookeeper wrote: Hi Sue. Have you checked your water quality? Sometimes the water parameters (pH, KH, ammonia, nitrite, etc. levels) change so quickly in the spring, that the water becomes slightly toxic and the fish react by zipping around and jumping. You might want to do a 20-30% water change just in case. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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Strange behavior...
Thanks, everyone. Yes, the nitrites tested high, but of course I have to
wonder why, since I've never had this problem before, especially not when it's still below freezing at night. Did a big water change, got the filter/waterfall going, threw in two more air stones (now there are four) and added some salt. (This is the first time I've ever added salt to the pond). Tested for nitrites again a day later and they are now "0", thank goodness, BUT.... the fish are still acting weird. I've removed the plant they were trying to hide behind, so now they are all trying to squeeze behind the rock border (the parts that hang down into the water) and they are all trying to cram themselves into the skimmer - I have to keep getting them out of there. What are they hiding or running from?????? Sue wrote in message ... yes!! also, get aeration in the pond and what are your salt levels? Ingrid Zookeeper wrote: Hi Sue. Have you checked your water quality? Sometimes the water parameters (pH, KH, ammonia, nitrite, etc. levels) change so quickly in the spring, that the water becomes slightly toxic and the fish react by zipping around and jumping. You might want to do a 20-30% water change just in case. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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Strange behavior...
SueAndHerZoo wrote:
BUT.... the fish are still acting weird. I've removed the plant they were trying to hide behind, so now they are all trying to squeeze behind the rock border (the parts that hang down into the water) and they are all trying to cram themselves into the skimmer - I have to keep getting them out of there. What are they hiding or running from?????? Just in case... Do you have any big plant pots that would sink on their own you could toss in the pond for them to hide in/under/behind? Some short sections of black plastic pipe would work well (you could probably get a lumber yard to chop one up for you), and might blend in on the bottem well enough to just leave there. You have mud, do you have otter tracks? Kid tracks? Any osprey or heron in the area? |
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Strange behavior...
SueAndHerZoo wrote:
BUT.... the fish are still acting weird. I've removed the plant they were trying to hide behind, so now they are all trying to squeeze behind the rock border (the parts that hang down into the water) and they are all trying to cram themselves into the skimmer - I have to keep getting them out of there. What are they hiding or running from?????? Just in case... Do you have any big plant pots that would sink on their own you could toss in the pond for them to hide in/under/behind? Some short sections of black plastic pipe would work well (you could probably get a lumber yard to chop one up for you), and might blend in on the bottem well enough to just leave there. You have mud, do you have otter tracks? Kid tracks? Any osprey or heron in the area? |
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Strange behavior...
SueAndHerZoo wrote:
BUT.... the fish are still acting weird. I've removed the plant they were trying to hide behind, so now they are all trying to squeeze behind the rock border (the parts that hang down into the water) and they are all trying to cram themselves into the skimmer - I have to keep getting them out of there. What are they hiding or running from?????? Just in case... Do you have any big plant pots that would sink on their own you could toss in the pond for them to hide in/under/behind? Some short sections of black plastic pipe would work well (you could probably get a lumber yard to chop one up for you), and might blend in on the bottem well enough to just leave there. You have mud, do you have otter tracks? Kid tracks? Any osprey or heron in the area? |
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Strange behavior...
SueAndHerZoo wrote:
BUT.... the fish are still acting weird. I've removed the plant they were trying to hide behind, so now they are all trying to squeeze behind the rock border (the parts that hang down into the water) and they are all trying to cram themselves into the skimmer - I have to keep getting them out of there. What are they hiding or running from?????? Just in case... Do you have any big plant pots that would sink on their own you could toss in the pond for them to hide in/under/behind? Some short sections of black plastic pipe would work well (you could probably get a lumber yard to chop one up for you), and might blend in on the bottem well enough to just leave there. You have mud, do you have otter tracks? Kid tracks? Any osprey or heron in the area? |
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Strange behavior...
Xref: kermit rec.ponds:140449
No obvious animal tracks, and the kids in the neighborhood have pretty much left the pond alone for the past two years - luckily the novelty wore off for them. Yes, I had a problem with a heron last year, BEFORE I bought the scarecrow. And yes, there ARE submerged hiding places for them on the bottom of the pond.... I sunk some in the fall for the frogs/fish to hide in if they chose to. They seem to want to be at the top, near an edge, cramming themselves into tight quarters. If I wasn't so worried about them it would almost be funny, 5 huge koi all cramming into one tiny spot. Sue "Offbreed" wrote in message ... SueAndHerZoo wrote: BUT.... the fish are still acting weird. I've removed the plant they were trying to hide behind, so now they are all trying to squeeze behind the rock border (the parts that hang down into the water) and they are all trying to cram themselves into the skimmer - I have to keep getting them out of there. What are they hiding or running from?????? Just in case... Do you have any big plant pots that would sink on their own you could toss in the pond for them to hide in/under/behind? Some short sections of black plastic pipe would work well (you could probably get a lumber yard to chop one up for you), and might blend in on the bottem well enough to just leave there. You have mud, do you have otter tracks? Kid tracks? Any osprey or heron in the area? |
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Strange behavior...
Xref: kermit rec.ponds:140449
No obvious animal tracks, and the kids in the neighborhood have pretty much left the pond alone for the past two years - luckily the novelty wore off for them. Yes, I had a problem with a heron last year, BEFORE I bought the scarecrow. And yes, there ARE submerged hiding places for them on the bottom of the pond.... I sunk some in the fall for the frogs/fish to hide in if they chose to. They seem to want to be at the top, near an edge, cramming themselves into tight quarters. If I wasn't so worried about them it would almost be funny, 5 huge koi all cramming into one tiny spot. Sue "Offbreed" wrote in message ... SueAndHerZoo wrote: BUT.... the fish are still acting weird. I've removed the plant they were trying to hide behind, so now they are all trying to squeeze behind the rock border (the parts that hang down into the water) and they are all trying to cram themselves into the skimmer - I have to keep getting them out of there. What are they hiding or running from?????? Just in case... Do you have any big plant pots that would sink on their own you could toss in the pond for them to hide in/under/behind? Some short sections of black plastic pipe would work well (you could probably get a lumber yard to chop one up for you), and might blend in on the bottem well enough to just leave there. You have mud, do you have otter tracks? Kid tracks? Any osprey or heron in the area? |
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Strange behavior...
Xref: kermit rec.ponds:140449
No obvious animal tracks, and the kids in the neighborhood have pretty much left the pond alone for the past two years - luckily the novelty wore off for them. Yes, I had a problem with a heron last year, BEFORE I bought the scarecrow. And yes, there ARE submerged hiding places for them on the bottom of the pond.... I sunk some in the fall for the frogs/fish to hide in if they chose to. They seem to want to be at the top, near an edge, cramming themselves into tight quarters. If I wasn't so worried about them it would almost be funny, 5 huge koi all cramming into one tiny spot. Sue "Offbreed" wrote in message ... SueAndHerZoo wrote: BUT.... the fish are still acting weird. I've removed the plant they were trying to hide behind, so now they are all trying to squeeze behind the rock border (the parts that hang down into the water) and they are all trying to cram themselves into the skimmer - I have to keep getting them out of there. What are they hiding or running from?????? Just in case... Do you have any big plant pots that would sink on their own you could toss in the pond for them to hide in/under/behind? Some short sections of black plastic pipe would work well (you could probably get a lumber yard to chop one up for you), and might blend in on the bottem well enough to just leave there. You have mud, do you have otter tracks? Kid tracks? Any osprey or heron in the area? |
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Strange behavior...
SueAndHerZoo wrote:
Thanks, everyone. Yes, the nitrites tested high, but of course I have to wonder why, since I've never had this problem before, especially not when it's still below freezing at night. Did a big water change, got the filter/waterfall going, threw in two more air stones (now there are four) and added some salt. (This is the first time I've ever added salt to the pond). Tested for nitrites again a day later and they are now "0", thank goodness, BUT.... the fish are still acting weird. I've removed the plant they were trying to hide behind, so now they are all trying to squeeze behind the rock border (the parts that hang down into the water) and they are all trying to cram themselves into the skimmer - I have to keep getting them out of there. What are they hiding or running from?????? Just idle musing, but perhaps they aren't hiding from anything. Are these items they are attempting to wedge themselves behind near the surface and/or in an area with low current? Nitrite poisoning converts hemoglobin into a form unable to transport oxygen. This effectively lowers the amount of oxygen that the blood can carry to the organs. When nitrite gets too high, it can even literally suffocate the fish from the inside by converting too much hemoglobin. I have to wonder if their behavior is in response to nitrite poisoning. They may be trying to wedge themselves to conserve energy (no having to swim against current) because of the loss of oxygen transport in their bloodstream due to the nitrites. This may be the cause of the behavior, especially if their respiration appears to be extreme too (gasping behaviors). You probably didn't observe it when temps dropped to freezing at night because of the lower metabolism (less oxygen demand) that accompanies lower temps. Good news is you've done the right steps to mitigate nitrite poisoing (water changes and adding salt) so if this is the cause, it should resolve shortly. That is of course assuming there wasn't an ammonia spike before the nitrite spike that damaged the gills. Some of the other behaviors you described (darting across the surface of the water and jumping out) are also consistent with ammonia poisoning. At this point though, you've done the best you can in terms of remeding the water quality. Now is time to monitor (both behavior and water parameters) and see. |
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