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I zipped by a message and thought I got
the gist of it, on snails and water or air, then
got into the creationist thread, clicked on
the wrong button and crashed. (In the beginning
there was water, then God created land and all
the trouble began... hey, it rhymes!)
Anyway!
Some snails breath air, they come up to the surface,
load up on a lungful of air and head back down again.
Some snails 'breath' water. They have a gill that extracts
oxygen from the water.
The trick is knowing which snail you have (when shipping)
the best resource to ID snails that I have found to date is
my favorite little Golden Book PONDS. B&N usually carries
it but it is not being printed anymore. But thanks to the
internet B&N always has a listing for all the used bookstores
that carry it.
When in doubt use a large bag, fill it half full of water and
half full of air, add an ice bag and ship the zippity option.


kathy :-)
A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/"Once upon a pond/A

When in doubt use a large bag, fill it half full of water and
half full of air, add an ice bag and ship the zippity option.

That is about what I did... half water, half air, fast shipping, ice packs...

I am thinking maybe too many ice packs, because she said the water was very cold. Although
I did put them in and out of the fridge to lower the water temp slowly before packing
them... so it would induce a type of hibernation or stasis... but obviously I didn't lower
the temp enough.

Thanks for the suggestions and the prompt answer! I will try again, this time with less
icepacks (the post office said 2 days was "NOT guaranteed" so I wanted to make sure they
didn't cook in the Texas heat). Maybe a bigger bag, and more water, and more air.

DeAnna
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"Ka30P" wrote in message
...

I zipped by a message and thought I got
the gist of it, on snails and water or air, then
got into the creationist thread, clicked on
the wrong button and crashed. (In the beginning
there was water, then God created land and all
the trouble began... hey, it rhymes!)
Anyway!
Some snails breath air, they come up to the surface,
load up on a lungful of air and head back down again.
Some snails 'breath' water. They have a gill that extracts
oxygen from the water.
The trick is knowing which snail you have (when shipping)
the best resource to ID snails that I have found to date is
my favorite little Golden Book PONDS. B&N usually carries
it but it is not being printed anymore. But thanks to the
internet B&N always has a listing for all the used bookstores
that carry it.
When in doubt use a large bag, fill it half full of water and
half full of air, add an ice bag and ship the zippity option.


kathy :-)
A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/"Once upon a pond/A

When in doubt use a large bag, fill it half full of water and
half full of air, add an ice bag and ship the zippity option.

That is about what I did... half water, half air, fast shipping, ice packs...

I am thinking maybe too many ice packs, because she said the water was very cold. Although
I did put them in and out of the fridge to lower the water temp slowly before packing
them... so it would induce a type of hibernation or stasis... but obviously I didn't lower
the temp enough.

Thanks for the suggestions and the prompt answer! I will try again, this time with less
icepacks (the post office said 2 days was "NOT guaranteed" so I wanted to make sure they
didn't cook in the Texas heat). Maybe a bigger bag, and more water, and more air.

DeAnna
--
http://lamb.iswiz.com/pond.php
If you remember that I prefer my spam without cheese-
then you may be able to email me.

"Ka30P" wrote in message
...

I zipped by a message and thought I got
the gist of it, on snails and water or air, then
got into the creationist thread, clicked on
the wrong button and crashed. (In the beginning
there was water, then God created land and all
the trouble began... hey, it rhymes!)
Anyway!
Some snails breath air, they come up to the surface,
load up on a lungful of air and head back down again.
Some snails 'breath' water. They have a gill that extracts
oxygen from the water.
The trick is knowing which snail you have (when shipping)
the best resource to ID snails that I have found to date is
my favorite little Golden Book PONDS. B&N usually carries
it but it is not being printed anymore. But thanks to the
internet B&N always has a listing for all the used bookstores
that carry it.
When in doubt use a large bag, fill it half full of water and
half full of air, add an ice bag and ship the zippity option.


kathy :-)
A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/"Once upon a pond/A

I am thinking less water since the one survivor was up in the bag
where the water wasn't.

Am i wrong?






On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 09:15:36 -0600, "Pond Newbie"
wrote:

When in doubt use a large bag, fill it half full of water and
half full of air, add an ice bag and ship the zippity option.

That is about what I did... half water, half air, fast shipping, ice
packs...

I am thinking maybe too many ice packs, because she said the water
was very cold. Although
I did put them in and out of the fridge to lower the water temp
slowly before packing
them... so it would induce a type of hibernation or stasis... but
obviously I didn't lower
the temp enough.

Thanks for the suggestions and the prompt answer! I will try again,
this time with less
icepacks (the post office said 2 days was "NOT guaranteed" so I
wanted to make sure they
didn't cook in the Texas heat). Maybe a bigger bag, and more water,
and more air.

DeAnna

I am thinking less water since the one survivor was up in the bag
where the water wasn't.

Am i wrong?






On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 09:15:36 -0600, "Pond Newbie"
wrote:

When in doubt use a large bag, fill it half full of water and
half full of air, add an ice bag and ship the zippity option.

That is about what I did... half water, half air, fast shipping, ice
packs...

I am thinking maybe too many ice packs, because she said the water
was very cold. Although
I did put them in and out of the fridge to lower the water temp
slowly before packing
them... so it would induce a type of hibernation or stasis... but
obviously I didn't lower
the temp enough.

Thanks for the suggestions and the prompt answer! I will try again,
this time with less
icepacks (the post office said 2 days was "NOT guaranteed" so I
wanted to make sure they
didn't cook in the Texas heat). Maybe a bigger bag, and more water,
and more air.

DeAnna

jammer wrote:

I am thinking less water since the one survivor was up in the bag
where the water wasn't.

Am i wrong?





you just need a few wet newspapers for snails.









On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 09:15:36 -0600, "Pond Newbie"
wrote:


When in doubt use a large bag, fill it half full of water and
half full of air, add an ice bag and ship the zippity option.

That is about what I did... half water, half air, fast shipping, ice

packs...

I am thinking maybe too many ice packs, because she said the water

was very cold. Although

I did put them in and out of the fridge to lower the water temp

slowly before packing

them... so it would induce a type of hibernation or stasis... but

obviously I didn't lower

the temp enough.

Thanks for the suggestions and the prompt answer! I will try again,

this time with less

icepacks (the post office said 2 days was "NOT guaranteed" so I

wanted to make sure they

didn't cook in the Texas heat). Maybe a bigger bag, and more water,

and more air.

DeAnna




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jammer wrote:

I am thinking less water since the one survivor was up in the bag
where the water wasn't.

Am i wrong?





you just need a few wet newspapers for snails.









On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 09:15:36 -0600, "Pond Newbie"
wrote:


When in doubt use a large bag, fill it half full of water and
half full of air, add an ice bag and ship the zippity option.

That is about what I did... half water, half air, fast shipping, ice

packs...

I am thinking maybe too many ice packs, because she said the water

was very cold. Although

I did put them in and out of the fridge to lower the water temp

slowly before packing

them... so it would induce a type of hibernation or stasis... but

obviously I didn't lower

the temp enough.

Thanks for the suggestions and the prompt answer! I will try again,

this time with less

icepacks (the post office said 2 days was "NOT guaranteed" so I

wanted to make sure they

didn't cook in the Texas heat). Maybe a bigger bag, and more water,

and more air.

DeAnna




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--
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401-831-5739 cell 401-225-0556
Importer/Exporter of Goldfish,Koi,rare Predators
Shipping to legal states/countries only!
Permalon liners, Oase & Supreme Pondmaster pumps


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that a signicant number of electrons may have been
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Did you hear that, DeAnna?



On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 14:38:08 -0400, KenCo wrote:

jammer wrote:

I am thinking less water since the one survivor was up in the bag
where the water wasn't.

Am i wrong?





you just need a few wet newspapers for snails.









On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 09:15:36 -0600, "Pond Newbie"
wrote:


When in doubt use a large bag, fill it half full of water and
half full of air, add an ice bag and ship the zippity option.

That is about what I did... half water, half air, fast shipping,
ice

packs...

I am thinking maybe too many ice packs, because she said the water

was very cold. Although

I did put them in and out of the fridge to lower the water temp

slowly before packing

them... so it would induce a type of hibernation or stasis... but

obviously I didn't lower

the temp enough.

Thanks for the suggestions and the prompt answer! I will try again,

this time with less

icepacks (the post office said 2 days was "NOT guaranteed" so I

wanted to make sure they

didn't cook in the Texas heat). Maybe a bigger bag, and more water,

and more air.

DeAnna




--

Did you hear that, DeAnna?



On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 14:38:08 -0400, KenCo wrote:

jammer wrote:

I am thinking less water since the one survivor was up in the bag
where the water wasn't.

Am i wrong?





you just need a few wet newspapers for snails.









On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 09:15:36 -0600, "Pond Newbie"
wrote:


When in doubt use a large bag, fill it half full of water and
half full of air, add an ice bag and ship the zippity option.

That is about what I did... half water, half air, fast shipping,
ice

packs...

I am thinking maybe too many ice packs, because she said the water

was very cold. Although

I did put them in and out of the fridge to lower the water temp

slowly before packing

them... so it would induce a type of hibernation or stasis... but

obviously I didn't lower

the temp enough.

Thanks for the suggestions and the prompt answer! I will try again,

this time with less

icepacks (the post office said 2 days was "NOT guaranteed" so I

wanted to make sure they

didn't cook in the Texas heat). Maybe a bigger bag, and more water,

and more air.

DeAnna




--

Yup. Thanks to KenCo.

It looks like there may soon be baby mystery (what I have learned are also called "apple")
snails. I may have to send LOTS of people snails if this keeps up!

They are doing a fine job of scarfing all this nasty algae! And they haven't touched the
plants. Nothing has, but my biggest koi, and he isn't eating any, just uprooting the ones
potted in pea gravel. I topped them with larger stones, and that ended his digging fun.
LOL. But no plants (even the anacharis) are being eaten. I guess that is a good thing!

DeAnna
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http://lamb.iswiz.com/pond.php
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then you may be able to email me.


"jammer" wrote in message ...

Did you hear that, DeAnna?



On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 14:38:08 -0400, KenCo wrote:

jammer wrote:

I am thinking less water since the one survivor was up in the bag
where the water wasn't.

Am i wrong?





you just need a few wet newspapers for snails.









On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 09:15:36 -0600, "Pond Newbie"
wrote:


When in doubt use a large bag, fill it half full of water and
half full of air, add an ice bag and ship the zippity option.

That is about what I did... half water, half air, fast shipping,
ice

packs...

I am thinking maybe too many ice packs, because she said the water

was very cold. Although

I did put them in and out of the fridge to lower the water temp

slowly before packing

them... so it would induce a type of hibernation or stasis... but

obviously I didn't lower

the temp enough.

Thanks for the suggestions and the prompt answer! I will try again,

this time with less

icepacks (the post office said 2 days was "NOT guaranteed" so I

wanted to make sure they

didn't cook in the Texas heat). Maybe a bigger bag, and more water,

and more air.

DeAnna




--

Yup. Thanks to KenCo.

It looks like there may soon be baby mystery (what I have learned are also called "apple")
snails.

Nah. Not the same, mystery snails are dark to black and get the size of a
ping pong ball at best. Apple snails are golden and get the size of a
baseball and they would eat anacharis like candy. One ponder (Roark, I
believe) had a tree limb weeping into his pond and found the apple snails
stripped it.

~ jan (Do you know where your water quality is?)

I may have to send LOTS of people snails if this keeps up!

They are doing a fine job of scarfing all this nasty algae! And they haven't touched the
plants. Nothing has, but my biggest koi, and he isn't eating any, just uprooting the ones
potted in pea gravel. I topped them with larger stones, and that ended his digging fun.
LOL. But no plants (even the anacharis) are being eaten. I guess that is a good thing!

DeAnna

The "golden" ones look identical to the "apple snails" on most of the apple snail sites.
The eggs also look identical, to my untrained eye, down to the color. But still no plant
eating going on. Perhaps they are related but not quite the same? The dark ones look just
like the golden, only they are brown. They are about the size of buckeyes right now.

My taro died, though. I moved it into the main pond. I found the two tiny 'shoots' covered
with string algae, then they disappeared. I don't know if they rotted off, or if the koi
ate them, (this happened right before the snails, and I suspected the algae of being the
root cause of the taro's demise-hence the purchase of the snails) but the other day, I
pulled the pot out and the root was 'stinky' so I left it out of the pond *sniff, sob* and
am going to get another next week. THIS one will stay in the spillway/veggie filter.

I took one of the tiny trapdoor snails from the spillway, and put him (her?) in one of the
betta holding tanks that had a pretty good crop of algae growing on one side, where the
light hits it. Within an hour, you could see an enormous bare spot. I am going to move him
(her?) to the breeding tank next (since no breeding is going on). I introduced the dark
male to the light red female, and he even tore down the bubble next. I am going to
re-introduce HIS female after the next water change cycle.

I think snails are pretty kewl to watch. I am hoping the ones in the veggie filter will
help keep the watercress at bay. I thought at first it looked like it was dying. LOL. A
clever ruse, to lull me into complacency... hahaha.

DeAnna

"~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message
s.com...
Yup. Thanks to KenCo.

It looks like there may soon be baby mystery (what I have learned are also called
"apple")
snails.

Nah. Not the same, mystery snails are dark to black and get the size of a
ping pong ball at best. Apple snails are golden and get the size of a
baseball and they would eat anacharis like candy. One ponder (Roark, I
believe) had a tree limb weeping into his pond and found the apple snails
stripped it.

~ jan (Do you know where your water quality is?)

I may have to send LOTS of people snails if this keeps up!

They are doing a fine job of scarfing all this nasty algae! And they haven't touched
the
plants. Nothing has, but my biggest koi, and he isn't eating any, just uprooting the
ones
potted in pea gravel. I topped them with larger stones, and that ended his digging fun.
LOL. But no plants (even the anacharis) are being eaten. I guess that is a good thing!


DeAnna

DeAnna,

I love snails.
I have a pondsill in my kitchen window sill.
It holds various critters from time to time.
Right now it has frog eggs in it.

But there are always some snails.
They feed on the algae fuzz that grows on the rocks and on the side.
And they lay eggs on the glass. When the sum comes through the glass you can
see the individual itty baby snails in the egg jell.
With a maginfiying glass you can see if even better.
Soon the little fellow start moving on their own.

I always throw in an empty snail shell that I've found in the pond filter so
they have some of the minerals they need for their shells.

When they get bigger they are fun to watch them eat their way across the glass.


kathy :-)
A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/"Once upon a pond/A

I have always had ramshorns in my aquariums.

I love to watch them glide so effortlessly around.

It seems that the big snails are going CRAZY in the big pond. I found another cache of
eggs this morning.

I know this sounds awful, but if the koi don't eat them, I am going to have some serious
population problems if this keeps up!

DeAnna
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then you may be able to email me.


"Ka30P" wrote in message
...

DeAnna,

I love snails.
I have a pondsill in my kitchen window sill.
It holds various critters from time to time.
Right now it has frog eggs in it.

But there are always some snails.
They feed on the algae fuzz that grows on the rocks and on the side.
And they lay eggs on the glass. When the sum comes through the glass you can
see the individual itty baby snails in the egg jell.
With a maginfiying glass you can see if even better.
Soon the little fellow start moving on their own.

I always throw in an empty snail shell that I've found in the pond filter so
they have some of the minerals they need for their shells.

When they get bigger they are fun to watch them eat their way across the glass.


kathy :-)
A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/"Once upon a pond/A