I have just finished expanding my pond, correcting a mistake I made. My
mistake was that the in-pond pump and waterfall were both at the same end of
the pond. The other end was a thin, narrow pebble beach. Because of its
thinness, and because the water was only circulating at one end, nutrients
never circulated either, and much organic matter seeped in through the beach
area.

Actually, this was interesting, because the WH at the end w/the waterfall
were always lush and green, whereas the WH near the non-circulating area
were puny and yellow (even w/weekly or so potash additions).

Anyway, now the in-pond pump is at the newly deepened end, and I have a 1/2"
i.d. non-kinking hose coming up from the pump, skirting the edge of the pond
(hidden under rocks), and leading to the waterfall at the other end. My
question is, will this freeze during the winter?

In the past, the hose intersected the frozen surface of the water, then came
up through it vertically to get to the waterfall. Now it's going to be
immersed laterally in the frozen surface for 12', although still on. Or
maybe it should just go off during the winter, though I love it when it
runs. Opinions?

What Zone are you in? ~ jan

On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 01:14:49 GMT, "Mike Miller" wrote:

I have just finished expanding my pond, correcting a mistake I made. My
mistake was that the in-pond pump and waterfall were both at the same end of
the pond. The other end was a thin, narrow pebble beach. Because of its
thinness, and because the water was only circulating at one end, nutrients
never circulated either, and much organic matter seeped in through the beach
area.

Actually, this was interesting, because the WH at the end w/the waterfall
were always lush and green, whereas the WH near the non-circulating area
were puny and yellow (even w/weekly or so potash additions).

Anyway, now the in-pond pump is at the newly deepened end, and I have a 1/2"
i.d. non-kinking hose coming up from the pump, skirting the edge of the pond
(hidden under rocks), and leading to the waterfall at the other end. My
question is, will this freeze during the winter?

In the past, the hose intersected the frozen surface of the water, then came
up through it vertically to get to the waterfall. Now it's going to be
immersed laterally in the frozen surface for 12', although still on. Or
maybe it should just go off during the winter, though I love it when it
runs. Opinions?


~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

Oh, right, Jan, sorry - z5, Chicago.

What Zone are you in? ~ jan

On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 01:14:49 GMT, "Mike Miller"
wrote:

I have just finished expanding my pond, correcting a mistake I made. My
mistake was that the in-pond pump and waterfall were both at the same end
of
the pond. The other end was a thin, narrow pebble beach. Because of its
thinness, and because the water was only circulating at one end,
nutrients
never circulated either, and much organic matter seeped in through the
beach
area.

Actually, this was interesting, because the WH at the end w/the waterfall
were always lush and green, whereas the WH near the non-circulating area
were puny and yellow (even w/weekly or so potash additions).

Anyway, now the in-pond pump is at the newly deepened end, and I have a
1/2"
i.d. non-kinking hose coming up from the pump, skirting the edge of the
pond
(hidden under rocks), and leading to the waterfall at the other end. My
question is, will this freeze during the winter?

In the past, the hose intersected the frozen surface of the water, then
came
up through it vertically to get to the waterfall. Now it's going to be
immersed laterally in the frozen surface for 12', although still on. Or
maybe it should just go off during the winter, though I love it when it
runs. Opinions?


~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

"Mike Miller" wrote in message
news:EQ8Vc.1554$9d6.317@attbi_s54...
Oh, right, Jan, sorry - z5, Chicago.

What Zone are you in? ~ jan

On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 01:14:49 GMT, "Mike Miller"
wrote:

I have just finished expanding my pond, correcting a mistake I made.

Anyway, now the in-pond pump is at the newly deepened end, and I have a
1/2"
i.d. non-kinking hose coming up from the pump, skirting the edge of the
pond
(hidden under rocks), and leading to the waterfall at the other end.
My
question is, will this freeze during the winter?

The waterfall? You betcha.
--
Crashj

I have just finished expanding my pond, correcting a mistake I made.

Anyway, now the in-pond pump is at the newly deepened end, and I have
a
1/2"
i.d. non-kinking hose coming up from the pump, skirting the edge of
the
pond
(hidden under rocks), and leading to the waterfall at the other end.
My
question is, will this freeze during the winter?

The waterfall? You betcha.
--
Crashj

No, not the waterfall. It's never frozen enough to clog itself up the past
4 winters. But I'm thinking of moving water in a 1/2" tube, now instead of
intersecting with the "frost line" in the water as it has in the past, will
be running along the "frost line" for 12' before raising up to the
waterfall.

The waterfall moves enough to keep itself unfrozen, but will this much hose
stay unfrozen when laid flat along the frozen ice?

"Mike Miller" wrote in message
news:6rmVc.6853$9d6.558@attbi_s54...
snip
The waterfall moves enough to keep itself unfrozen, but will this much
hose
stay unfrozen when laid flat along the frozen ice?


Hi,
If you promise not to post binaries again
(news:cmyUc.34460$TI1.18273@attbi_s52...) I'll leave winter questions alone
as I don't believe in it. In this case, you've answered your own question,
if it keeps moving it won't freeze. More correctly it will have to get much
colder than it has been. Others more familiar with ice may change our minds.
HTH -_- how
no NEWS is good

"Mike Miller" wrote in message
news:6rmVc.6853$9d6.558@attbi_s54...
snip
The waterfall moves enough to keep itself unfrozen, but will this much
hose
stay unfrozen when laid flat along the frozen ice?


Hi,
If you promise not to post binaries again
(news:cmyUc.34460$TI1.18273@attbi_s52...) I'll leave winter questions alone
as I don't believe in it. In this case, you've answered your own question,
if it keeps moving it won't freeze. More correctly it will have to get much
colder than it has been. Others more familiar with ice may change our minds.
HTH -_- how
no NEWS is good

On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 12:49:06 GMT, "Mike Miller" wrote:

I have just finished expanding my pond, correcting a mistake I made.
Anyway, now the in-pond pump is at the newly deepened end, and I have a 1/2"
i.d. non-kinking hose coming up from the pump, skirting the edge of the pond
(hidden under rocks), and leading to the waterfall at the other end.

My question is, will this freeze during the winter?

I always thought that moving water wouldn't freeze, but supposedly in our
colder zones, moving water in a pipe has been known to freeze.

What you might do to prevent this, put a stock tank heater near the area
where the pump is, this will keep the water warmer and I think it might
make the 12' stretch without cooling down quick enough to freeze solid.

You could also lift the rocks and encase hose in the foam insulation pipe
wraps (look like swimming pool noodles) and put rocks back down. Hopefully
your set up is self draining if there is a power outage? ~ jan


~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

"Mike Miller" wrote in message
news:6rmVc.6853$9d6.558@attbi_s54...
snip
The waterfall moves enough to keep itself unfrozen, but will this much
hose
stay unfrozen when laid flat along the frozen ice?


Hi,
If you promise not to post binaries again
(news:cmyUc.34460$TI1.18273@attbi_s52...) I'll leave winter questions alone
as I don't believe in it. In this case, you've answered your own question,
if it keeps moving it won't freeze. More correctly it will have to get much
colder than it has been. Others more familiar with ice may change our minds.
HTH -_- how
no NEWS is good

I have just finished expanding my pond, correcting a mistake I made.

Anyway, now the in-pond pump is at the newly deepened end, and I have
a
1/2"
i.d. non-kinking hose coming up from the pump, skirting the edge of
the
pond
(hidden under rocks), and leading to the waterfall at the other end.
My
question is, will this freeze during the winter?

The waterfall? You betcha.
--
Crashj

No, not the waterfall. It's never frozen enough to clog itself up the past
4 winters. But I'm thinking of moving water in a 1/2" tube, now instead of
intersecting with the "frost line" in the water as it has in the past, will
be running along the "frost line" for 12' before raising up to the
waterfall.

The waterfall moves enough to keep itself unfrozen, but will this much hose
stay unfrozen when laid flat along the frozen ice?

"Mike Miller" wrote in message
news:EQ8Vc.1554$9d6.317@attbi_s54...
Oh, right, Jan, sorry - z5, Chicago.

What Zone are you in? ~ jan

On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 01:14:49 GMT, "Mike Miller"
wrote:

I have just finished expanding my pond, correcting a mistake I made.

Anyway, now the in-pond pump is at the newly deepened end, and I have a
1/2"
i.d. non-kinking hose coming up from the pump, skirting the edge of the
pond
(hidden under rocks), and leading to the waterfall at the other end.
My
question is, will this freeze during the winter?

The waterfall? You betcha.
--
Crashj

Oh, right, Jan, sorry - z5, Chicago.

What Zone are you in? ~ jan

On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 01:14:49 GMT, "Mike Miller"
wrote:

I have just finished expanding my pond, correcting a mistake I made. My
mistake was that the in-pond pump and waterfall were both at the same end
of
the pond. The other end was a thin, narrow pebble beach. Because of its
thinness, and because the water was only circulating at one end,
nutrients
never circulated either, and much organic matter seeped in through the
beach
area.

Actually, this was interesting, because the WH at the end w/the waterfall
were always lush and green, whereas the WH near the non-circulating area
were puny and yellow (even w/weekly or so potash additions).

Anyway, now the in-pond pump is at the newly deepened end, and I have a
1/2"
i.d. non-kinking hose coming up from the pump, skirting the edge of the
pond
(hidden under rocks), and leading to the waterfall at the other end. My
question is, will this freeze during the winter?

In the past, the hose intersected the frozen surface of the water, then
came
up through it vertically to get to the waterfall. Now it's going to be
immersed laterally in the frozen surface for 12', although still on. Or
maybe it should just go off during the winter, though I love it when it
runs. Opinions?


~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

What Zone are you in? ~ jan

On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 01:14:49 GMT, "Mike Miller" wrote:

I have just finished expanding my pond, correcting a mistake I made. My
mistake was that the in-pond pump and waterfall were both at the same end of
the pond. The other end was a thin, narrow pebble beach. Because of its
thinness, and because the water was only circulating at one end, nutrients
never circulated either, and much organic matter seeped in through the beach
area.

Actually, this was interesting, because the WH at the end w/the waterfall
were always lush and green, whereas the WH near the non-circulating area
were puny and yellow (even w/weekly or so potash additions).

Anyway, now the in-pond pump is at the newly deepened end, and I have a 1/2"
i.d. non-kinking hose coming up from the pump, skirting the edge of the pond
(hidden under rocks), and leading to the waterfall at the other end. My
question is, will this freeze during the winter?

In the past, the hose intersected the frozen surface of the water, then came
up through it vertically to get to the waterfall. Now it's going to be
immersed laterally in the frozen surface for 12', although still on. Or
maybe it should just go off during the winter, though I love it when it
runs. Opinions?


~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~