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Okay, sounds like they got toxed-out with hydrogen sulfide.
~ jan What can i use for filtering that is fish safe and less itchy than insulation? Out of the pond filter? Or around the pump? Around an in-pond pump I only have mesh baskets to keep the big particles out till they break down to little particulars, then I made an upflow out-of-the-pond filter like the flower pot filters show at the bottom page of *My Filter* on my website www.jjspond.us . This can be stuffed with window screening, or in my case, because I had extra open cell foam, I used pieces of it and then three 1" rounds. I filter my 1,000 gallon lilypond with a 19 gallon size pot, 700 gph mag drive in-pond. 7 large fantail goldfish with a few goldfish and koi babies. Lots of plants (and once I got the pH below 8.4) it has been perfectly clear. ~ jan ~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~ |
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Okay, sounds like they got toxed-out with hydrogen sulfide.
~ jan What can i use for filtering that is fish safe and less itchy than insulation? Out of the pond filter? Or around the pump? Around an in-pond pump I only have mesh baskets to keep the big particles out till they break down to little particulars, then I made an upflow out-of-the-pond filter like the flower pot filters show at the bottom page of *My Filter* on my website www.jjspond.us . This can be stuffed with window screening, or in my case, because I had extra open cell foam, I used pieces of it and then three 1" rounds. I filter my 1,000 gallon lilypond with a 19 gallon size pot, 700 gph mag drive in-pond. 7 large fantail goldfish with a few goldfish and koi babies. Lots of plants (and once I got the pH below 8.4) it has been perfectly clear. ~ jan ~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~ |
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Your current pump will work, but I would lift it several inches off the
bottom to keep it from clogging or recycling the mulm on the bottom. When the mulm starts to accumulate, it should be easy to clean from that size pond. -- RichToyBox http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/index.html "jammer" wrote in message ... On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 23:57:18 GMT, "RichToyBox" If i clean the bottom pond regularly, can i keep the 250 pondmaster and waterfall? (will the fish live then) I KNEW there had to be some explanation, thank you very much. As always, juls/jammer (i am sure i'll be back with more about this) |
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Your current pump will work, but I would lift it several inches off the
bottom to keep it from clogging or recycling the mulm on the bottom. When the mulm starts to accumulate, it should be easy to clean from that size pond. -- RichToyBox http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/index.html "jammer" wrote in message ... On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 23:57:18 GMT, "RichToyBox" If i clean the bottom pond regularly, can i keep the 250 pondmaster and waterfall? (will the fish live then) I KNEW there had to be some explanation, thank you very much. As always, juls/jammer (i am sure i'll be back with more about this) |
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On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 23:47:48 GMT, "RichToyBox"
wrote: Your current pump will work, but I would lift it several inches off the bottom to keep it from clogging or recycling the mulm on the bottom. When the mulm starts to accumulate, it should be easy to clean from that size pond. It is sitting on the bottom so thank you so much for this! I got the sunken end raised today and will completely clean and Condition them tomorrow. Then i'll re-build the waterfall and i MIGHT just have time to enjoy it before i go out of town for several weeks. I am still trying to think of a way to make a filter but cant find "Small Filters For Dummies"... It should be ok for a while, then someone can explain to me why it didnt work without one I totally appreciate ya'lls input. |
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On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 23:47:48 GMT, "RichToyBox"
wrote: Your current pump will work, but I would lift it several inches off the bottom to keep it from clogging or recycling the mulm on the bottom. When the mulm starts to accumulate, it should be easy to clean from that size pond. It is sitting on the bottom so thank you so much for this! I got the sunken end raised today and will completely clean and Condition them tomorrow. Then i'll re-build the waterfall and i MIGHT just have time to enjoy it before i go out of town for several weeks. I am still trying to think of a way to make a filter but cant find "Small Filters For Dummies"... It should be ok for a while, then someone can explain to me why it didnt work without one I totally appreciate ya'lls input. |
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Ok, today i emptied and refilled the lower pond, adding "Right Start" or something like that. I sat the pump on a brick platform about 4-5 inches off of the bottom. I also sprayed off the plants and cut back some roots. (Those taro grow like freaking crazy here!) Then i emptied the upper pond and caught the 3 remaining goldfish and plunked them into the bottom pond. (That additive said it was fish ready immediately) I shop vacced the top pond and filled and conditioned it. I can probably actually go buy a few fish for it now. All that took me up until dark and about 57 mosquito bites. (Off Schmoff) So i propped the hose up with a rock over the top pond where the new waterfall will be, and turned on the pump. Last i checked, the fish were played chase. I would like to thank you for your help. The answers may have been easy, but i had no idea how much sludgey crap was in the bottom pond and no wonder i every fish. LIVE AND LEARN - I have learned plenty and will go on someday to help my friends with their ponds. On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 23:57:18 GMT, "RichToyBox" wrote: The water fall is acting as a skimmer for the top pond and all the dust, dirt, debris that lands on the pond, plus any floating plant material all go over the water fall to the small pond at the bottom. The pump will recirculate some of this stuff, since it will be dispersed through the water column. The bottom pond will fill with muck, mulm, fairly quickly and needs to be cleaned regularly. When I started out, I had a similar setup to yours, and then added a 1500 gallon liner pond to the mix, and then the amount of mulm built up very quickly in the bottom pond. You really need a solids handling pump that you can put on the bottom of the small lower pond and then have the water circulated through some form of filter that can be easily cleaned, or you will be cleaning the bottom pond very often, or you will be building pockets of hydrogen sulfide gas that will kill fish, if you want to have fish in the lower pond. If you don't mind not having fish in the lower pond, then it can be a settling tank, setting the pump intake near the surface, and as material builds up, turn off the pump, use a shop vac or similar to clean the pond and then refill the bottom pond and restart the system. |
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Ok, today i emptied and refilled the lower pond, adding "Right Start" or something like that. I sat the pump on a brick platform about 4-5 inches off of the bottom. I also sprayed off the plants and cut back some roots. (Those taro grow like freaking crazy here!) Then i emptied the upper pond and caught the 3 remaining goldfish and plunked them into the bottom pond. (That additive said it was fish ready immediately) I shop vacced the top pond and filled and conditioned it. I can probably actually go buy a few fish for it now. All that took me up until dark and about 57 mosquito bites. (Off Schmoff) So i propped the hose up with a rock over the top pond where the new waterfall will be, and turned on the pump. Last i checked, the fish were played chase. I would like to thank you for your help. The answers may have been easy, but i had no idea how much sludgey crap was in the bottom pond and no wonder i every fish. LIVE AND LEARN - I have learned plenty and will go on someday to help my friends with their ponds. On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 23:57:18 GMT, "RichToyBox" wrote: The water fall is acting as a skimmer for the top pond and all the dust, dirt, debris that lands on the pond, plus any floating plant material all go over the water fall to the small pond at the bottom. The pump will recirculate some of this stuff, since it will be dispersed through the water column. The bottom pond will fill with muck, mulm, fairly quickly and needs to be cleaned regularly. When I started out, I had a similar setup to yours, and then added a 1500 gallon liner pond to the mix, and then the amount of mulm built up very quickly in the bottom pond. You really need a solids handling pump that you can put on the bottom of the small lower pond and then have the water circulated through some form of filter that can be easily cleaned, or you will be cleaning the bottom pond very often, or you will be building pockets of hydrogen sulfide gas that will kill fish, if you want to have fish in the lower pond. If you don't mind not having fish in the lower pond, then it can be a settling tank, setting the pump intake near the surface, and as material builds up, turn off the pump, use a shop vac or similar to clean the pond and then refill the bottom pond and restart the system. |
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On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 22:40:03 -0500, jammer wrote:
I would like to thank you for your help. The answers may have been easy, but i had no idea how much sludgey crap was in the bottom pond and no wonder i every fish. Clear as mulm, eh? It's no wonder i killed my fish with all that crap in there but i didnt realize how i had turned it into a settling tank. |
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On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 22:40:03 -0500, jammer wrote:
I would like to thank you for your help. The answers may have been easy, but i had no idea how much sludgey crap was in the bottom pond and no wonder i every fish. Clear as mulm, eh? It's no wonder i killed my fish with all that crap in there but i didnt realize how i had turned it into a settling tank. |
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