Hi I've noticed rcently that one of my koi is performing a sort of roll,
where it swims on its side for just a moment and then rolls. Anyone any
ideas?
thanks
DW

The rolling sounds like flashing, which is a sign of parasites or water
quality problems. The fish is not comfortable. He is trying to scrape off
the parasites or scratch an itch from something in the water. It is a good
idea to have someone scrape the fish for a microscopic examination to
determine the type of parasite, and it is a good idea to have a complete set
of tests run, pH, and ammonia in particular.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html

"david williams" wrote in message
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Hi I've noticed rcently that one of my koi is performing a sort of roll,
where it swims on its side for just a moment and then rolls. Anyone any
ideas?
thanks
DW

could be internal damage too.


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Thanks for all suggestions,
Hi, Who would I get to take a scrape, and what does that involve? The fish
seems ok at the momentbut still performs the occasioanal 'roll.'
"RichToyBox" wrote in message
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The rolling sounds like flashing, which is a sign of parasites or water
quality problems. The fish is not comfortable. He is trying to scrape
off the parasites or scratch an itch from something in the water. It is a
good idea to have someone scrape the fish for a microscopic examination to
determine the type of parasite, and it is a good idea to have a complete
set of tests run, pH, and ammonia in particular.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html

"david williams" wrote in message
...
Hi I've noticed rcently that one of my koi is performing a sort of roll,
where it swims on its side for just a moment and then rolls. Anyone any
ideas?
thanks
DW

In the UK, I would contact someone with the BKKS, at one of the local
sections. You can look them up at http://www.bkks.co.uk/ and scroll down on
the left until you find the tab marked sections. Someone within each
section should be able to provide the service or recommend someone that
will. They will be able to provide better guidance on treatments than most
local pond dealers that are just out to make a pound or two.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html

"david williams" wrote in message
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Thanks for all suggestions,
Hi, Who would I get to take a scrape, and what does that involve? The fish
seems ok at the momentbut still performs the occasioanal 'roll.'
"RichToyBox" wrote in message
news:EZAgd.340309$D%.137983@attbi_s51...
The rolling sounds like flashing, which is a sign of parasites or water
quality problems. The fish is not comfortable. He is trying to scrape
off the parasites or scratch an itch from something in the water. It is
a good idea to have someone scrape the fish for a microscopic examination
to determine the type of parasite, and it is a good idea to have a
complete set of tests run, pH, and ammonia in particular.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html

"david williams" wrote in message
...
Hi I've noticed rcently that one of my koi is performing a sort of roll,
where it swims on its side for just a moment and then rolls. Anyone any
ideas?
thanks
DW

Mine roll when it rains..or a massive water change....lasts only one or
two days once the ph goes back in balance.

if you dont have a microscope but want a quick and dirty determination
use a plastic credit card. hold the credit card at a 45o angle away from the head and
starting at the gill gently scrape the card down the length of the fish to the tail.

if there is much of an accumulation of gunk on the card, the slime coat is thick due
to toxic water or parasites. lf you scrape a scale off, that is scraping too hard.
http://puregold.aquaria.net/pg/DIAGN...e-fakefish.mpg
http://puregold.aquaria.net/pg/DIAGN...e-realfish.mpg
here are two quickie mpg files I did a couple years ago or so. Ingrid

"david williams" wrote:

Thanks for all suggestions,
Hi, Who would I get to take a scrape, and what does that involve? The fish
seems ok at the momentbut still performs the occasioanal 'roll.'
"RichToyBox" wrote in message
news:EZAgd.340309$D%.137983@attbi_s51...
The rolling sounds like flashing, which is a sign of parasites or water
quality problems. The fish is not comfortable. He is trying to scrape
off the parasites or scratch an itch from something in the water. It is a
good idea to have someone scrape the fish for a microscopic examination to
determine the type of parasite, and it is a good idea to have a complete
set of tests run, pH, and ammonia in particular.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html

"david williams" wrote in message
...
Hi I've noticed rcently that one of my koi is performing a sort of roll,
where it swims on its side for just a moment and then rolls. Anyone any
ideas?
thanks
DW








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Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

Mine roll when it rains..or a massive water change....lasts only one or
two days once the ph goes back in balance.

Thanks for all suggestions,
Hi, Who would I get to take a scrape, and what does that involve? The fish
seems ok at the momentbut still performs the occasioanal 'roll.'
"RichToyBox" wrote in message
news:EZAgd.340309$D%.137983@attbi_s51...
The rolling sounds like flashing, which is a sign of parasites or water
quality problems. The fish is not comfortable. He is trying to scrape
off the parasites or scratch an itch from something in the water. It is a
good idea to have someone scrape the fish for a microscopic examination to
determine the type of parasite, and it is a good idea to have a complete
set of tests run, pH, and ammonia in particular.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html

"david williams" wrote in message
...
Hi I've noticed rcently that one of my koi is performing a sort of roll,
where it swims on its side for just a moment and then rolls. Anyone any
ideas?
thanks
DW

Thanks for all suggestions,
Hi, Who would I get to take a scrape, and what does that involve? The fish
seems ok at the momentbut still performs the occasioanal 'roll.'
"RichToyBox" wrote in message
news:EZAgd.340309$D%.137983@attbi_s51...
The rolling sounds like flashing, which is a sign of parasites or water
quality problems. The fish is not comfortable. He is trying to scrape
off the parasites or scratch an itch from something in the water. It is a
good idea to have someone scrape the fish for a microscopic examination to
determine the type of parasite, and it is a good idea to have a complete
set of tests run, pH, and ammonia in particular.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html

"david williams" wrote in message
...
Hi I've noticed rcently that one of my koi is performing a sort of roll,
where it swims on its side for just a moment and then rolls. Anyone any
ideas?
thanks
DW

something stuck in mouth or bacterial infection.

"david williams" wrote:

Hi I've noticed rcently that one of my koi is performing a sort of roll,
where it swims on its side for just a moment and then rolls. Anyone any
ideas?
thanks
DW




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http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

"david williams" wrote in message ...
Hi I've noticed rcently that one of my koi is performing a sort of roll,
where it swims on its side for just a moment and then rolls. Anyone any
ideas?
thanks
DW

I have a large goldfish who had an out of control infection on top of
his head that covered most of it, this caused him to start to roll a
little or swim askew. Miracurously I saved him by using massive anti
biotics and wound ease, the wound completly healed but now he has a
slight roll when he swims especially when going after food. I figured
the infection messed up his brain or his inner ear (if a goldfish has
one) or maybe he is blind in one eye even though his eyes look fine.

I guess your fish could have a parasite infection on his scales but I
would have thought that the fish would be scraping himself on objects
or jumping out of the water if that was the case but who knows.

The only other idea is that its swim bladder was slightly messed up by
an infection and now your fish struggles a little when swimming
(hence he rolls a little) at least he has a very stable body design
so he can cope with it easily enough. I use to own tiger barbs and
they have stubby bodies and they have notorious swim bladder problems.
Their fine one day and then their rolling and doing head stands and
not able to swim correctly at all and you have to put them down.

it could also have affected the "head kidney" from the nares.
I am not sure if it is the inner ear or lateral line that is responsible for fish
position in the water, or both. but they sure do navigate well in a 3D environment
so I can see where it could go out of whack after that kind of infection.
Ingrid

(steve) wrote:
I have a large goldfish who had an out of control infection on top of
his head that covered most of it, this caused him to start to roll a
little or swim askew. Miracurously I saved him by using massive anti
biotics and wound ease, the wound completly healed but now he has a
slight roll when he swims especially when going after food. I figured
the infection messed up his brain or his inner ear (if a goldfish has
one) or maybe he is blind in one eye even though his eyes look fine.



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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

Either his ailerons are out of adjustment or his rudder needs to be trimmed
;)


"david williams" wrote in message
...
Hi I've noticed rcently that one of my koi is performing a sort of roll,
where it swims on its side for just a moment and then rolls. Anyone any
ideas?
thanks
DW