Ma'am, your reply here to this "Cliff" guy kind of mystifies me. I don't
recall how your argument with him got started, and his posting of multiple
responses is certainly obnoxious. But it is not hard to see how someone
would read your posts and come away with the opinion that, while you
obviously have some useful knowledge, you also seem to be an extremely
self-righteous, dogmatic, enviro-leftist. When someone contradicts you, you
react with such anger that you sound like a teen-ager. "Kiss my ass" and
such responses do not serve your purposes, or so it seems to me. I think
you would be more credible if you avoided the juvenile rhetoric.

But that's just my opinion and, anticipating your reply, I just kissed my
own ass. (OK, I blew it a kiss. That was the best I could do.)

gary
austin

"animaux" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 17 May 2003 01:51:07 GMT, "Cliff" wrote:

It must be a terrible responsibility to be an expert on every subject.

What's terrible is the way people feel they must kill everything. What's
even
more infinitely ridiculous are people who actually think they CAN kill
everything.

I'm not an expert, but I know a great deal about gardening, soils, and
insect
management. I worked for years as a professional grower and I did it all
certified organically.

Got any questions? If not, kiss my ass.

I'm not from Texas. I'm from New York City, where I lived till I was 37. I
don't mince words, and I am probably viewed in this overly, rudely polite state
of Texas as a bigmouth. Sadly, that's more of a sexist attack on me than
anything else. I know a bit more than some useful knowledge...but feel free to
ignore it.

As for anger, you can read into it any way you like. I'm no more angry at
people for being ignorant than I'd be angry at someone for having an illness.

I am absolutely an environmentalist, I am certainly a liberal (proudly so) and
if you want to call my strict adherence to organic methods of gardening as being
dogmatic, add that one with my eternal gratitude.

Everything else...take what you want and leave the rest. I'm not in any
competition for credibility. Oh, and thanks for the great compliment where you
said I sound like a teenager. That is no put down in my estimation. It means
I'm fresh and eager.

Carry on and do as you please.


On Sun, 18 May 2003 14:47:52 GMT, "gary"
wrote:

Ma'am, your reply here to this "Cliff" guy kind of mystifies me. I don't
recall how your argument with him got started, and his posting of multiple
responses is certainly obnoxious. But it is not hard to see how someone
would read your posts and come away with the opinion that, while you
obviously have some useful knowledge, you also seem to be an extremely
self-righteous, dogmatic, enviro-leftist. When someone contradicts you, you
react with such anger that you sound like a teen-ager. "Kiss my ass" and
such responses do not serve your purposes, or so it seems to me. I think
you would be more credible if you avoided the juvenile rhetoric.

But that's just my opinion and, anticipating your reply, I just kissed my
own ass. (OK, I blew it a kiss. That was the best I could do.)

gary
austin

"animaux" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 17 May 2003 01:51:07 GMT, "Cliff" wrote:

It must be a terrible responsibility to be an expert on every subject.

What's terrible is the way people feel they must kill everything. What's
even
more infinitely ridiculous are people who actually think they CAN kill
everything.

I'm not an expert, but I know a great deal about gardening, soils, and
insect
management. I worked for years as a professional grower and I did it all
certified organically.

Got any questions? If not, kiss my ass.

Animaux,

Having been raised in Texas, but spent 18 years on the island of Manhattan, I know
from what you speak.

Uppity women with big mouths get beat up here in Texas (figuratively of course).
Take it from one who knows.

So that being said...

There is the Texas way: "While kissing their ear, you are ****in' in their boot."
OR the NYCity "In their face" style. I came to appreciate the later style. At least
I know where I stand and it is also much more helpful because at least you know
what the other guy is REALLY thinking also.

Am I correct on that one, Ann Richards? LOL

Best to All -- Gae

animaux wrote:

I'm not from Texas. I'm from New York City, where I lived till I was 37. I
don't mince words, and I am probably viewed in this overly, rudely polite state
of Texas as a bigmouth. Sadly, that's more of a sexist attack on me than
anything else. I know a bit more than some useful knowledge...but feel free to
ignore it.

As for anger, you can read into it any way you like. I'm no more angry at
people for being ignorant than I'd be angry at someone for having an illness.

I am absolutely an environmentalist, I am certainly a liberal (proudly so) and
if you want to call my strict adherence to organic methods of gardening as being
dogmatic, add that one with my eternal gratitude.

Everything else...take what you want and leave the rest. I'm not in any
competition for credibility. Oh, and thanks for the great compliment where you
said I sound like a teenager. That is no put down in my estimation. It means
I'm fresh and eager.

Carry on and do as you please.

On Sun, 18 May 2003 14:47:52 GMT, "gary"
wrote:

Ma'am, your reply here to this "Cliff" guy kind of mystifies me. I don't
recall how your argument with him got started, and his posting of multiple
responses is certainly obnoxious. But it is not hard to see how someone
would read your posts and come away with the opinion that, while you
obviously have some useful knowledge, you also seem to be an extremely
self-righteous, dogmatic, enviro-leftist. When someone contradicts you, you
react with such anger that you sound like a teen-ager. "Kiss my ass" and
such responses do not serve your purposes, or so it seems to me. I think
you would be more credible if you avoided the juvenile rhetoric.

But that's just my opinion and, anticipating your reply, I just kissed my
own ass. (OK, I blew it a kiss. That was the best I could do.)

gary
austin

"animaux" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 17 May 2003 01:51:07 GMT, "Cliff" wrote:

It must be a terrible responsibility to be an expert on every subject.

What's terrible is the way people feel they must kill everything. What's
even
more infinitely ridiculous are people who actually think they CAN kill
everything.

I'm not an expert, but I know a great deal about gardening, soils, and
insect
management. I worked for years as a professional grower and I did it all
certified organically.

Got any questions? If not, kiss my ass.

On Sun, 18 May 2003 12:23:48 -0500, G a e X a v i er
wrote:

Uppity women with big mouths get beat up here in Texas (figuratively of course).
Take it from one who knows.

Well, being entirely objective, and recalling Janet Poage, go to
Google.com and look for "Janet Poage" and see what results you get.
Then go out to Wild Basin and look around.

Will power does make a lot of difference and if folks forget about it,
it is really no big thing. If Janet was not a native Texan, I would
certainly claim her as such. It is okay with me if she was a yankee
(sorry, I still have to make that lower case, but no real offense).

You are recognized by your results, not by your reputation.

Rusty Mase



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You get it my dear!

I do miss Ann Richards. It was a sad day when Bush won.

V


On Sun, 18 May 2003 12:23:48 -0500, G a e X a v i er wrote:

Animaux,

Having been raised in Texas, but spent 18 years on the island of Manhattan, I know
from what you speak.

Uppity women with big mouths get beat up here in Texas (figuratively of course).
Take it from one who knows.

So that being said...

There is the Texas way: "While kissing their ear, you are ****in' in their boot."
OR the NYCity "In their face" style. I came to appreciate the later style. At least
I know where I stand and it is also much more helpful because at least you know
what the other guy is REALLY thinking also.

Am I correct on that one, Ann Richards? LOL

Best to All -- Gae

animaux wrote:

I'm not from Texas. I'm from New York City, where I lived till I was 37. I
don't mince words, and I am probably viewed in this overly, rudely polite state
of Texas as a bigmouth. Sadly, that's more of a sexist attack on me than
anything else. I know a bit more than some useful knowledge...but feel free to
ignore it.

As for anger, you can read into it any way you like. I'm no more angry at
people for being ignorant than I'd be angry at someone for having an illness.

I am absolutely an environmentalist, I am certainly a liberal (proudly so) and
if you want to call my strict adherence to organic methods of gardening as being
dogmatic, add that one with my eternal gratitude.

Everything else...take what you want and leave the rest. I'm not in any
competition for credibility. Oh, and thanks for the great compliment where you
said I sound like a teenager. That is no put down in my estimation. It means
I'm fresh and eager.

Carry on and do as you please.

On Sun, 18 May 2003 14:47:52 GMT, "gary"
wrote:

Ma'am, your reply here to this "Cliff" guy kind of mystifies me. I don't
recall how your argument with him got started, and his posting of multiple
responses is certainly obnoxious. But it is not hard to see how someone
would read your posts and come away with the opinion that, while you
obviously have some useful knowledge, you also seem to be an extremely
self-righteous, dogmatic, enviro-leftist. When someone contradicts you, you
react with such anger that you sound like a teen-ager. "Kiss my ass" and
such responses do not serve your purposes, or so it seems to me. I think
you would be more credible if you avoided the juvenile rhetoric.

But that's just my opinion and, anticipating your reply, I just kissed my
own ass. (OK, I blew it a kiss. That was the best I could do.)

gary
austin

"animaux" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 17 May 2003 01:51:07 GMT, "Cliff" wrote:

It must be a terrible responsibility to be an expert on every subject.

What's terrible is the way people feel they must kill everything. What's
even
more infinitely ridiculous are people who actually think they CAN kill
everything.

I'm not an expert, but I know a great deal about gardening, soils, and
insect
management. I worked for years as a professional grower and I did it all
certified organically.

Got any questions? If not, kiss my ass.

On Sun, 18 May 2003 14:47:52 GMT, "gary"
wrote:

Ma'am, your reply here to this "Cliff" guy kind of mystifies me.

Gary, you are way in over your head. Stop now before you drown.

David

David Wright wrote in
:
who would of thought gardening in Texas would be so emotional. I just hope
I just hope I get a lot of tomatoes and the homeowners association don't
send me any letters telling me to mow my lawn!

Being a liberal in California was easy, it's more fun in Texas.

Fred


On Sun, 18 May 2003 14:47:52 GMT, "gary"
wrote:

Ma'am, your reply here to this "Cliff" guy kind of mystifies me.

Gary, you are way in over your head. Stop now before you drown.

David

You post should have and would have served more purpose if it had been directed
toward the person who trolled this newsgroup. I too have been online since the
80s. I don't have rules which censor my speech. I take each item and evaluate
the best way and I do that. BTW, this is a gardening newsgroup, not the board
room at a corporation. Maybe your being a bit too judgmental.


On Mon, 19 May 2003 13:28:39 GMT, "gary"
wrote:

Well, look a little below the surface. I am just being polite. I have been
reading and posting in newsgroups since there were newsgroups but, years
ago, I determined to follow a personal rule of not using ad hominem attacks
or vulgarity, no matter how tempting it might be at the time. I have found
it to be quite freeing. Others might profit from trying it, especially
those who desire to be taken seriously.

gary
austin


"David Wright" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 18 May 2003 14:47:52 GMT, "gary"
wrote:

Ma'am, your reply here to this "Cliff" guy kind of mystifies me.

Gary, you are way in over your head. Stop now before you drown.

David

Yes, I am being judgmental. It is my judgement, i.e., my opinion, that ad
hominem attacks and vulgarity are highly detrimental to newsgroup
discussions. I think such behavior tends to drive away most of the best,
most intelligent, posters while attracting immature types who use the net as
a way to take out their anger and aggression without any fear of reprisal.

Make no mistake about it -- "flaming" on the net is just another way for
people who do not know how to deal with their personal anger -- or, more
likely, even want to deal with it -- to relieve themselves by letting it out
on others. That is always a bad policy, in my book, no matter what the
medium.

On the other hand, there should be no reason for restraint in attacking
ideas with some modicum of civility, as distinct from personally attacking,
without civility, the people who hold the ideas.

I don't expect very many people to agree with me nor do I expect anything
from Usenet except a continued debasement. As for my posts not serving a
purpose, no post like this one or my previous ones on this subject serve
much real purpose except what the poster gets out of them. People are not
swayed in the least by what they read, unless they are ready to change their
behavior and are looking for the advice they have already decided to take.
And that is rare. That would hold true for the flamers, the trollers and
all the other immature types who populate these provinces. Not to mention
the email spammers and the malignant advertisers on the web.

gary
austin


"animaux" wrote in message
...
You post should have and would have served more purpose if it had been
directed
toward the person who trolled this newsgroup. I too have been online
since the
80s. I don't have rules which censor my speech. I take each item and
evaluate
the best way and I do that. BTW, this is a gardening newsgroup, not the
board
room at a corporation. Maybe your being a bit too judgmental.


On Mon, 19 May 2003 13:28:39 GMT, "gary"
wrote:

Well, look a little below the surface. I am just being polite. I have
been
reading and posting in newsgroups since there were newsgroups but, years
ago, I determined to follow a personal rule of not using ad hominem
attacks
or vulgarity, no matter how tempting it might be at the time. I have
found
it to be quite freeing. Others might profit from trying it, especially
those who desire to be taken seriously.

gary
austin


"David Wright" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 18 May 2003 14:47:52 GMT, "gary"
wrote:

Ma'am, your reply here to this "Cliff" guy kind of mystifies me.

Gary, you are way in over your head. Stop now before you drown.

David

Gary,

I do agree with you. This was suppose to be a discussion about ants (which
I have had a problem with myself).

Someone can be "frank" or honest without being abrasive and stooping to
personal attacks. Earlier I had a disagreement with someone in this
newsgroup and I tried very hard not to personally attack her -- I hope she
did not feel I was.

If people want to flame each other please make it private. I quit reading
this newsgroup several years ago because of one obnoxious man --

--
Marta
(if you email me directly you need to remove the X )

Wayfarer wrote:
If people want to flame each other please make it private. I quit reading
this newsgroup several years ago because of one obnoxious man --

That's what killfiles are for.

--
Victor M. Martinez

http://www.che.utexas.edu/~martiv

Well, look a little below the surface. I am just being polite. I have been
reading and posting in newsgroups since there were newsgroups but, years
ago, I determined to follow a personal rule of not using ad hominem attacks
or vulgarity, no matter how tempting it might be at the time. I have found
it to be quite freeing. Others might profit from trying it, especially
those who desire to be taken seriously.

gary
austin


"David Wright" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 18 May 2003 14:47:52 GMT, "gary"
wrote:

Ma'am, your reply here to this "Cliff" guy kind of mystifies me.

Gary, you are way in over your head. Stop now before you drown.

David