On 6/12/05 23:54, in article ,
"Phil L" wrote:

Sacha wrote:
Thanks, Phil. As a sample then "We think that the Camellia we have
here was planted by Edward Hyams at least 50 years ago and customers
of ours, who have seen both are convinced it is the same as the one
you have at Pillnitz. When it next blooms, we propose to take
photographs to send to you and also to cut off some small, flowering
branches and send them to you by the quickest possible method."

German:
Wir denken, dass die Kamelie, die wir hier haben, von Edward Hyams
mindestens 50 Jahren und Kunden von unseren, die beide, es gesehen haben,
die selben, überzeugt sind dass die der ist Sie errichtet wurde vor, bei
Pillnitz haben.
Wenn es Folgende Blüte, schlagen wir vor, Fotographien zu nehmen, um zu
senden Ihnen und einige kleine, blühende Niederlassungen auch abzuschneiden
und sie Ihnen durch die schnellste mögliche Methode schicken.


And back to English:
We think that the Kamelie, which we have here of Edward Hyams saw to at
least 50 years and customers of ours, the two, it, the same, convinced are
that those that are you were established forwards, with Pillnitz to have.
If it the following bloom, we suggest to you taking photographs around to
send and some small send to also cut flowering addresses off and them to you
by the fastest possible method.

Not very good but I feel your OP was a bit 'icky' in it's wording...although
re-translation is not a good indicator of what it says in German!


Thanks, Phil. I think I'll try to find a real live translator, though!
They're going into DNA testing of this particular Camellia and if we do get
involved in that, it's going to get a bit technical!
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)

On 7/12/05 3:02, in article ,
"Rusty Hinge 2" wrote:

The message k
from Sacha contains these words:
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If you get no takers I'll email you my sister's e-addy.

That's kind, thank you very much. Do I take it from the addy that you've
got the lergy? If so, you have all my sympathy!

No - issa play on the word 'invalid' in-valid to inval-id.

Thanks for the sympathy though: may I put it in a biscuit tin and keep
it for later?


You may indeed - good idea about the tin, wouldn't want it to evaporate.
;-) Do you think your sister would be willing to translate for us? I don't
want to impose on her, especially as I'm a total stranger to her. I could
always email it to you for forwarding, if you or she prefer.

--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)

On 7/12/05 8:55, in article , "Martin
Brown" wrote:

snip
Online fragment at http://www.science-frontiers.com/sf122/sf122p16.htm

It is actually not all that far off considering...and they have improved
since then.

Thanks to you and Phil for your advice and comments on this. But I think it
could start to get a bit too tangled for this sort of thing. If Rusty's
sister is willing to help, it would be great.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)

Sacha wrote:
On 7/12/05 8:55, in article , "Martin
Brown" wrote:

snip

Online fragment at http://www.science-frontiers.com/sf122/sf122p16.htm

It is actually not all that far off considering...and they have improved
since then.

Thanks to you and Phil for your advice and comments on this. But I think it
could start to get a bit too tangled for this sort of thing. If Rusty's
sister is willing to help, it would be great.

It depends a lot on how clearly you can write. If you write short
unambiguous sentences then you will get good results with machine
translation. Many modern technical words are the same in all languages
(except for those that have language police - French "Logiciel" for
instance).

At the very least you should ask the German collaborators to write to
you in German if it is much easier for them. It is unusual these days to
find German scientists without one of English or French as a second
language.

Regards,
Martin Brown

On 7/12/05 10:38, in article , "Martin
Brown" wrote:

Sacha wrote:
On 7/12/05 8:55, in article , "Martin
Brown" wrote:

snip

Online fragment at http://www.science-frontiers.com/sf122/sf122p16.htm

It is actually not all that far off considering...and they have improved
since then.

Thanks to you and Phil for your advice and comments on this. But I think it
could start to get a bit too tangled for this sort of thing. If Rusty's
sister is willing to help, it would be great.

It depends a lot on how clearly you can write. If you write short
unambiguous sentences then you will get good results with machine
translation. Many modern technical words are the same in all languages
(except for those that have language police - French "Logiciel" for
instance).

At the very least you should ask the German collaborators to write to
you in German if it is much easier for them. It is unusual these days to
find German scientists without one of English or French as a second
language.

At this stage I'm writing to the head gardener at Pillnitz and he doesn't
have any English. The email they sent me yesterday apologised for the
delay but explained it was because they had to find a translator. He has
asked me several questions about the Camellia we have in our garden which
might be a clone of the one they have but as that's what we're trying to
establish, the explanations and descriptions are a little complicated. I
suppose it could go to scientists later and yes, I daresay they or someone
on their staff would speak English. But this initial contact is with people
who have no English.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)

Sacha wrote:
On 6/12/05 23:54, in article
, "Phil L"
wrote:

Sacha wrote:
Thanks, Phil. As a sample then "We think that the Camellia we have
here was planted by Edward Hyams at least 50 years ago and customers
of ours, who have seen both are convinced it is the same as the one
you have at Pillnitz. When it next blooms, we propose to take
photographs to send to you and also to cut off some small, flowering
branches and send them to you by the quickest possible method."

German:
Wir denken, dass die Kamelie, die wir hier haben, von Edward Hyams
mindestens 50 Jahren und Kunden von unseren, die beide, es gesehen
haben, die selben, überzeugt sind dass die der ist Sie errichtet
wurde vor, bei Pillnitz haben.
Wenn es Folgende Blüte, schlagen wir vor, Fotographien zu nehmen, um
zu senden Ihnen und einige kleine, blühende Niederlassungen auch
abzuschneiden und sie Ihnen durch die schnellste mögliche Methode
schicken.


And back to English:
We think that the Kamelie, which we have here of Edward Hyams saw to
at least 50 years and customers of ours, the two, it, the same,
convinced are that those that are you were established forwards,
with Pillnitz to have. If it the following bloom, we suggest to you
taking photographs around to send and some small send to also cut
flowering addresses off and them to you by the fastest possible
method.

Not very good but I feel your OP was a bit 'icky' in it's
wording...although re-translation is not a good indicator of what it
says in German!


Thanks, Phil. I think I'll try to find a real live translator,
though! They're going into DNA testing of this particular Camellia
and if we do get involved in that, it's going to get a bit technical!

I've enquired what the above passage means to German speaking people and
they verify that it's mostly gibberish!
The folk of newsgroup alt.german.usage are quite knowledgeable and this is
where I asked if the above German was comprehensible.

The message
from SEEDSENSE contains these words:

Try the following website, it is free and translates all languages

http://babelfish.altavista.com/

FSVO translates.

--
Rusty
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from Sacha contains these words:

You may indeed - good idea about the tin, wouldn't want it to evaporate.
;-) Do you think your sister would be willing to translate for us? I don't
want to impose on her, especially as I'm a total stranger to her. I could
always email it to you for forwarding, if you or she prefer.

I'll send her e-addy by emu and you can ask her. She has a degree in
Modern Languages, specialising in German. Also, while still at
university, or around that time, she helped catalogue a very large
private library collection of (mainly) German books.

--
Rusty
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On 9/12/05 1:45, in article ,
"Rusty Hinge 2" wrote:

The message k
from Sacha contains these words:

You may indeed - good idea about the tin, wouldn't want it to evaporate.
;-) Do you think your sister would be willing to translate for us? I don't
want to impose on her, especially as I'm a total stranger to her. I could
always email it to you for forwarding, if you or she prefer.

I'll send her e-addy by emu and you can ask her. She has a degree in
Modern Languages, specialising in German. Also, while still at
university, or around that time, she helped catalogue a very large
private library collection of (mainly) German books.

Thanks very much - just as long as it's not too much of an imposition on her
time.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)

In article , Rusty Hinge
2 writes
The message k
from Sacha contains these words:

You may indeed - good idea about the tin, wouldn't want it to evaporate.
;-) Do you think your sister would be willing to translate for us? I don't
want to impose on her, especially as I'm a total stranger to her. I could
always email it to you for forwarding, if you or she prefer.

I'll send her e-addy by emu and you can ask her. She has a degree in
Modern Languages, specialising in German. Also, while still at
university, or around that time, she helped catalogue a very large
private library collection of (mainly) German books.



If not Sacha I have a very good German friend who doesn't live too far
from me, she doesn't have email but I'm sure she'd be happy to
translate, also friend's daughter-in-law (Clelia) is Italian but lived
in Germany all her life. She's on email as well so can ask her if you
need someone.

Janet
--
Janet Tweedy
Dalmatian Telegraph
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk

The message k
from Sacha contains these words:

I'll send her e-addy by emu and you can ask her. She has a degree in
Modern Languages, specialising in German. Also, while still at
university, or around that time, she helped catalogue a very large
private library collection of (mainly) German books.

Thanks very much - just as long as it's not too much of an imposition on her
time.

Only she can say that. There's only one of the brood at home now - well,
perhaps two out of the three over Christmas, but as a rectors wife and a
teacher, time doesn't hang heavy on her hands.

--
Rusty
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