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Allotment Choice
"Mel" wrote in message
... "Janet Baraclough" replied I have to choose between 2 allotments, Do I choose soggy couch grass or a zillion horsetail? you can build raised beds for growing in, and never have to worry about watering. The horsetail one will be a long nightmare. I would rather wait for another vacancy than take a horsetail plot. Thanks for the reply, Janet. I'm swaying towards the couch grass plot because I know that horsetail is even more of a nightmare! You can work with the wet couch infested one. After 30 years of stuggling with insufficient soil depth over soggy boulder clay 10s of feet deep I've finally bitten the bullet and started converting to deep beds. You can clear the couch easily and quickly with Roundup - if you are of the organic persuasion then I suggest you make an exception and get rid of the couch before you start applying organic methods. We are preparing the deep beds one at a time, dig the bed as deep as you can, then apply any organic matter you can get. We then dig any soil from the area designated for paths between beds and put that on top of the manure, then make the sides of the beds from whatever you can get that's cheap, durable and not too unsightly. We are using thick Larch boards because it grows on trees around here. Another big plus with deep beds is you can change the nature of the soil to suit particular crops - in our case we're adding a lot of grit/sand in some beds for carrots etc. Protecting crops with enviromesh is also easier if you are growing on a bed system. -- Rod My real address is rodtheweedygardeneratmyweedyisp Just remove the weedy bits and transplant the appropriate symbol at. |
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Allotment Choice
In message , Mel
writes Hi all, can you please help with my dilemma? I have to choose between 2 allotments, both of which are in abandoned states. One site absolutely full of horsetail, and I mean so chock-a-block that in some places I can hardly get a fork in for the roots. The other site is full of couch grass and is very wet (I can hear the soil squelching when I walk on it). It's between a rock and a hard place! Do I choose soggy couch grass or a zillion horsetail? Thanks. If you don't object to chemicals, glyphosate will see off couch grass. (In hindsight I ought to have sprayed my allotment when I started, rather than treating the couch - and dock, creeping thistle, nettle and other pernicious weeds - by sieving.) Wet could be a problem if it's still waterlogged after this dry spell. But my back garden (heavy clay) is also still waterlogged, and does dry out in the summer. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
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"Bob Hobden" wrote in message ... "Mel" wrote Hi all, can you please help with my dilemma? I have to choose between 2 allotments, both of which are in abandoned states. One site absolutely full of horsetail, and I mean so chock-a-block that in some places I can hardly get a fork in for the roots. The other site is full of couch grass and is very wet (I can hear the soil squelching when I walk on it). It's between a rock and a hard place! Do I choose soggy couch grass or a zillion horsetail? The Horsetail you can't do anything much about, the couch is easily killed permanently with glyphosate (Roundup) as that's what it's designed for. The alternative is digging it out every year because you won't get it all. :-( The soggy soil may be just a winter thing, you will have to ask neighbours, but the soil is something you can change over time by using compost, muck, mushroom compost.....etc. Our last allotment had Horsetail and being someone who doesn't like weeds on his plot I wouldn't want another with it as it never goes away. -- Regards Bob In Runnymede, 17 miles West of London ~~~~~~~~~~~ I agree with Bob totally. Roundup is first class against couch[ 'twitch' locally]. Another point ,missed, is that couch is not a grass of marshes or wetlands but does form a mat and hold water. Hence, it is probably wet due to the couch. Try not to disturb before application of roundup and do give at least three weeks to work. Do wait till quite a lot of new growth is showing. Make it a late year for sowing. Good Luck Brian. |
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Allotment Choice
On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:02:45 GMT
Janet Baraclough wrote: The message from "Mel" contains these words: However, the couch grass is also totally covering the allotment with not a single inch free of it. Both plots are crap, actually, and I'm wondering if I should bother at all, but I've been on the waiting list for many years and it could be many more years before anything else becomes vacant. Decisions, decisions! You can get rid of couch grass by excluding all light (cardboard catrons, old wool carpet, old tarpaulins) until it dies. yes, I've done this with cartons and clippings as per Janet's suggestion. Worked a trick. I'd pick the couch grass in a second. -E -- Emery Davis You can reply to ecom by removing the well known companies |
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"Mel" wrote in message ... Hi all, can you please help with my dilemma? I have to choose between 2 allotments, both of which are in abandoned states. One site absolutely full of horsetail, and I mean so chock-a-block that in some places I can hardly get a fork in for the roots. The other site is full of couch grass and is very wet (I can hear the soil squelching when I walk on it). It's between a rock and a hard place! Do I choose soggy couch grass or a zillion horsetail? It is indeed a hard choice. I would go for the one with the horsetails though, in summer you will at least be able to hoe off the tops and present the appearance of having dealt with the weeds. Briefly. The couch grass is on runners and is a bugger to hoe. Although in reality you are almost certainly going to end up with both, that's how they work. My allotment has both, plus ground elder, nettles, and bindweed, not to mention raspberry canes escaping from a neighbouring garden. All coming from various sides and aiming to meet in the middle. I wouldn't mind if there was a chance they'd have a final confrontation and destroy each other :-(( All you can do is try to keep them down to a manageable level. Steve |
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Go for the couch grass plot every time. My allotment has horsetail and
nearly 10 years of me attacking it just seems to have encouraged its spread as even a tiny bit of root will grow. Couch was killed off in my first year by a dose of glyohosate. PW "Mel" wrote in message ... Hi all, can you please help with my dilemma? I have to choose between 2 allotments, both of which are in abandoned states. One site absolutely full of horsetail, and I mean so chock-a-block that in some places I can hardly get a fork in for the roots. The other site is full of couch grass and is very wet (I can hear the soil squelching when I walk on it). It's between a rock and a hard place! Do I choose soggy couch grass or a zillion horsetail? Thanks. |
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