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Railway sleepers
I need approx. 6 railway sleepers for raised bed. How much should I expect
to pay and where is the best place to buy them? Stephen http://uk.geocities.com/gardeningforpleasureuk/ |
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Stephen G wrote in message ... I need approx. 6 railway sleepers for raised bed. How much should I expect to pay and where is the best place to buy them? Garden Centres, Builders Merchants or reclamation places, but you should bear in mind that any sold now will not be British as they were always treated with creosote, and creosote and creosote treated items are now banned from sale in Europe due to the fact that one of the compounds in creosote has been found to be implicated in causing certain cancers. Used sleepers from the rest of Europe are OK because they do not use creosote. Mike www.british-naturism.org.uk |
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In article , Stephen G
writes I need approx. 6 railway sleepers for raised bed. How much should I expect to pay and where is the best place to buy them? The going rate for ex railway sleepers is around £15-20 depending on their quality and whether they are to be delivered or collected. They are available from garden centres, builders' merchants etc. Sometimes they are advertised in local newspapers or Yellow Pages, or try Google. -- Alan & Joan Gould - North Lincs. |
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Any idea what the compound was or what the exposure rate was? I remember
years ago when I was still a chemist being told that benzene was considered dangerous but toluene (benzene plus CH3 replacing one H) was not. My teacher claimed that the only definite benzene deaths were people who worked in the benzene production industry i.e. having high, prolonged exposures. Of course it's always possible that the problem is groundwater contamination and the like but given the amount of creosote used per annum, if it was that bad, surely we'd all be keeling over by now? Paul DS. |
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I have a notion the problem is PAHs, polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, which
does all the nasty things that you'd expect from something with a name like that. Benzene's more of a petrol (but not diesel) problem, istr. You can still buy creosote, and creosote sleepers, but EU legiislation is indeed closing in on it. Shame, I suspect the very nastiness of it is the reason why it works so well. Jack I Paul D.Smith wrote in message et... Any idea what the compound was or what the exposure rate was? I remember years ago when I was still a chemist being told that benzene was considered dangerous but toluene (benzene plus CH3 replacing one H) was not. My teacher claimed that the only definite benzene deaths were people who worked in the benzene production industry i.e. having high, prolonged exposures. Of course it's always possible that the problem is groundwater contamination and the like but given the amount of creosote used per annum, if it was that bad, surely we'd all be keeling over by now? Paul DS. |
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On Fri, 4 Apr 2003 05:49:07 +0100, Alan Gould
wrote: In article , Stephen G writes I need approx. 6 railway sleepers for raised bed. How much should I expect to pay and where is the best place to buy them? The going rate for ex railway sleepers is around £15-20 depending on their quality and whether they are to be delivered or collected. They are available from garden centres, builders' merchants etc. Sometimes they are advertised in local newspapers or Yellow Pages, or try Google. I saw a big pile of them the other day laying in the ditch on the northbound A1 near Grantham. So if anyone's a bit skint and can borrow a lorry you know where to go... Andy |
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Help please. With regard to treated railway sleepers, my son-in-law had just finished using them to edge a lawn and to make a sand-pit for their 2-year-old when this thread started. Now I have worried them by telling them the bad news and they already have tar marks on the carpet where the dog had walked on an oozing sleeper. Any advice? What would other parents do? Remake the sand-pit with untreated wood? Is there any way of sealing them to stop the oozing? Pam in Bristol pamdotmooreatvirgindotnet |
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Does this mean anyone who has had railway sleepers put in their garden by
Alan Tichmarsh now has problems? Stephen # "Andy" wrote in message ... On Fri, 4 Apr 2003 05:49:07 +0100, Alan Gould wrote: In article , Stephen G writes I need approx. 6 railway sleepers for raised bed. How much should I expect to pay and where is the best place to buy them? The going rate for ex railway sleepers is around £15-20 depending on their quality and whether they are to be delivered or collected. They are available from garden centres, builders' merchants etc. Sometimes they are advertised in local newspapers or Yellow Pages, or try Google. I saw a big pile of them the other day laying in the ditch on the northbound A1 near Grantham. So if anyone's a bit skint and can borrow a lorry you know where to go... Andy |
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On Fri, 4 Apr 2003 08:36:59 +0100, "Paul D.Smith"
wrote: Any idea what the compound was or what the exposure rate was? I remember years ago when I was still a chemist being told that benzene was considered dangerous but toluene (benzene plus CH3 replacing one H) was not. My teacher claimed that the only definite benzene deaths were people who worked in the benzene production industry i.e. having high, prolonged exposures. Of course it's always possible that the problem is groundwater contamination and the like but given the amount of creosote used per annum, if it was that bad, surely we'd all be keeling over by now? Paul DS. In the war, troops were given bromide tablets to restrict their libido. Also, 'elastoplast'-type plasters used to have benzene/bromide mix as part of the wadding infusion as bromide has the effect of killing the mucus membranes... I used to be a Paint Chemist at International Paint in 1970's and was exposed on a daily basis to all sorts of now, so-called 'hazardous chemicals' over 4 years.The worst was Pyratine (Pyronol) To date, no nasties... MG |
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On Sun, 6 Apr 2003 18:02:00 +0100, "Michael Berridge"
wrote: easy peasy wrote in message ... You can still buy creosote, and creosote sleepers, but EU legiislation is indeed closing in on it. I think you will find that it is not on sale anymore, certainly not in any local builders merchants or DIY shops around here. I thought that it was banned from 31st March. Mike www.british-naturism.org.uk I bought 3Lt dark creosote from WIlkinsons 2 weeks back £3.99 |
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Hi Rick,
Where are you? We got a load of them last year, we got the good condition used ones (full of Tar)(but they'll never rot!!) and got them delivered for £12 a piece! The only real pain is cutting them, I only had a bow saw and it took allot of puff. Oh, and while your cutting them, don't leave your feet under the raised end... I did..........owwch. Have fun Lee "Rick McGreal" wrote in message ... Ok....LOTS of people have been talking about the incredable usefulness of railway sleepers... Any idea I can get them? Are they expensive? What should be expecting to pay (A rough price will be great) |
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"Lee" wrote in
et: Hi Rick, Hullo Where are you? Wakefield....Just a little south of Leeds We got a load of them last year, we got the good condition used ones (full of Tar)(but they'll never rot!!) Nifty! and got them delivered for £12 a piece! Wow....iS this a special?... Or do you think I could possible find some like that ? The only real pain is cutting them, I only had a bow saw and it took allot of puff. Stuff that....My friend has a circular saw! Oh, and while your cutting them, don't leave your feet under the raised end... I did..........owwch. *AHEM* Done that while making the compost bin.... And that was only light wood! Have fun Not while I am hopping around screaming in pain! |
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Rick McGreal wrote in message ... We got a load of them last year, we got the good condition used ones (full of Tar)(but they'll never rot!!) Nifty! and got them delivered for £12 a piece! Wow....iS this a special?... Or do you think I could possible find some like that ? The only real pain is cutting them, I only had a bow saw and it took allot of puff. Stuff that....My friend has a circular saw! Railway sleepers that have been treated with creosote 'tar stuff' will weep creosote on hot weather and it is very messy, also anything treated with creosote, and creosote itself is off limits on June 30th when its sale is banned (EU law). Better to buy the non treated ones that are brought in from the continent, or new ones. Incidentally for those who like the smell of creosote Wickes have brought out a creosote substitute which even smells like the original. Mike www.british-naturism.org.uk |
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If you want to cut them try a chain saw - the tar will probably clog up a circular saw. |
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"Michael Berridge" wrote in
: Railway sleepers that have been treated with creosote 'tar stuff' will weep creosote on hot weather and it is very messy, also anything treated with creosote, and creosote itself is off limits on June 30th when its sale is banned (EU law). Oh.....B-( Better to buy the non treated ones that are brought in from the continent, or new ones. Half the point of using old ones is a part of recycling... There is little point in buying a new one!!! Incidentally for those who like the smell of creosote I do! Wickes have brought out a creosote substitute which even smells like the original. Freaky! Someone actually sat down and worked out the composition of the SMELL of creosote! Some poeple are just too bored! |
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