Are Israeli attacks against the people of Lebanon and Gaza in accord with
the requirements of international law, and if not, how are these attacks any
different to Hitler invading Poland?

Guy Fawkes wrote:
Are Israeli attacks against the people of Lebanon and Gaza in accord with
the requirements of international law, and if not, how are these attacks any
different to Hitler invading Poland?

I think the main difference is that the Lebanon won't end up in the
hands of the Russians in 6 years time.

In message , Guy Fawkes
writes
Are Israeli attacks against the people of Lebanon and Gaza in accord with
the requirements of international law, and if not, how are these attacks any
different to Hitler invading Poland?


Poland wasn't firing rockets into Germany........
--
John

On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:45:49 +0100, Humble Scribe
wrote:

In message , Guy Fawkes
writes
Are Israeli attacks against the people of Lebanon and Gaza in accord
with
the requirements of international law, and if not, how are these
attacks any
different to Hitler invading Poland?


Poland wasn't firing rockets into Germany........

Just to be clear, are you saying that the current Israeli actions are
justified?

Arthur

"Arthur" wrote in message
newsp.tc6u8iu1q4en03@home1...
On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:45:49 +0100, Humble Scribe
wrote:

In message , Guy Fawkes
writes
Are Israeli attacks against the people of Lebanon and Gaza in accord
with
the requirements of international law, and if not, how are these
attacks any
different to Hitler invading Poland?


Poland wasn't firing rockets into Germany........

Just to be clear, are you saying that the current Israeli actions are
justified?

Arthur

I think what he's saying is that Poland didn't support or give haven to
anyone lobbing rockets into Germany. In the case of Lebanon, it's not quite
so clear-cut.

Whether Israel's response is proportionate is another question altogether
which by it's very nature won't get a consensus opinion.

Fred wrote:
"Arthur" wrote in message
newsp.tc6u8iu1q4en03@home1...
On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:45:49 +0100, Humble Scribe
wrote:

In message , Guy Fawkes
writes
Are Israeli attacks against the people of Lebanon and Gaza in accord
with
the requirements of international law, and if not, how are these
attacks any
different to Hitler invading Poland?


Poland wasn't firing rockets into Germany........

Just to be clear, are you saying that the current Israeli actions are
justified?

Arthur

I think what he's saying is that Poland didn't support or give haven to
anyone lobbing rockets into Germany. In the case of Lebanon, it's not quite
so clear-cut.

Whether Israel's response is proportionate is another question altogether
which by it's very nature won't get a consensus opinion.

WTF??

Why is everyone talking about a "Proportionate response?" So if someone
lobs a dozen missiles into your cities you can only lob a dozen back?

BS!!

Remember when The Soviets were just across the border? we had MAD
(Mutually assured destruction) The West convinced The Soviets that if
they came across the border that we would use Nukes due to their
conventional superiority.

Proportionate response!!! Media-invented Crap!

In message op.tc6u8iu1q4en03@home1, Arthur
writes
On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:45:49 +0100, Humble Scribe
wrote:

In message , Guy Fawkes
writes
Are Israeli attacks against the people of Lebanon and Gaza in accord
with
the requirements of international law, and if not, how are these
attacks any
different to Hitler invading Poland?


Poland wasn't firing rockets into Germany........

Just to be clear, are you saying that the current Israeli actions are
justified?

No- just pointing out the difference between Hitler's action and
Israel's action as requested.

That said and although I am Israel's Zionist policies, I suspect that if
the IRA were regularly firing rockets into Liverpool and had a
fundamental objective of wiping the UK off the map (as Hizbollah does
with Israel) then would we not support the UK army seeking to wipe them
out even if they were in the Irish Republic and the Irish Government
were doing nothing to stop them?

But then we get back to why are Hizbollah firing the rockets. They will
claim in retaliation for Israel's military actions over the last 50
years; Israel will claim that the military actions would not happen if
it were not for Hizbollah/Hamas terrorism on Israeli soil and so on.
Regrettably this is just another step along inexorable road to all-out
Arab/Israeli war in the Middle East- possibly even nuclear, within the
next 5-10 years. This could lead to a broader global conflict to gain
overall control of the Middle East/Caspian Sea oil & gas reserves.

The outlook is not good! :-))
--
John

On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:52:13 +0100, Humble Scribe
wrote:

In message op.tc6u8iu1q4en03@home1, Arthur
writes
On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:45:49 +0100, Humble Scribe
wrote:

In message , Guy Fawkes
writes
Are Israeli attacks against the people of Lebanon and Gaza in accord
with
the requirements of international law, and if not, how are these
attacks any
different to Hitler invading Poland?


Poland wasn't firing rockets into Germany........

Just to be clear, are you saying that the current Israeli actions are
justified?

No- just pointing out the difference between Hitler's action and
Israel's action as requested.

That said and although I am Israel's Zionist policies, I suspect that if
the IRA were regularly firing rockets into Liverpool and had a
fundamental objective of wiping the UK off the map (as Hizbollah does
with Israel) then would we not support the UK army seeking to wipe them
out even if they were in the Irish Republic and the Irish Government
were doing nothing to stop them?


In such an event, I doubt very much that the RAF would be bombing the city
of Dublin after rendering its exit roads unpassable to refugees and
destroying the power stations.


But then we get back to why are Hizbollah firing the rockets. They will
claim in retaliation for Israel's military actions over the last 50
years; Israel will claim that the military actions would not happen if
it were not for Hizbollah/Hamas terrorism on Israeli soil and so on.
Regrettably this is just another step along inexorable road to all-out
Arab/Israeli war in the Middle East- possibly even nuclear, within the
next 5-10 years. This could lead to a broader global conflict to gain
overall control of the Middle East/Caspian Sea oil & gas reserves.

The outlook is not good! :-))

Agreed 100%

Arthur

"Humble Scribe" wrote in message
...
| In message op.tc6u8iu1q4en03@home1, Arthur
| writes
"fundamental objective of wiping the UK off the map (as Hizbollah does
with Israel)"

Which is basically saying ''Hizbollah wants to wipe Israel off the map''

What is the problem with that??? Could you tell me when and how the Country of
Israel came into being???

Humble Scribe wrote:
In message op.tc6u8iu1q4en03@home1, Arthur
writes
On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:45:49 +0100, Humble Scribe
wrote:

In message , Guy Fawkes
writes
Are Israeli attacks against the people of Lebanon and Gaza in accord
with
the requirements of international law, and if not, how are these
attacks any
different to Hitler invading Poland?


Poland wasn't firing rockets into Germany........

Just to be clear, are you saying that the current Israeli actions are
justified?

No- just pointing out the difference between Hitler's action and
Israel's action as requested.

That said and although I am Israel's Zionist policies, I suspect that if
the IRA were regularly firing rockets into Liverpool and had a
fundamental objective of wiping the UK off the map (as Hizbollah does
with Israel) then would we not support the UK army seeking to wipe them
out even if they were in the Irish Republic and the Irish Government
were doing nothing to stop them?

But then we get back to why are Hizbollah firing the rockets. They will
claim in retaliation for Israel's military actions over the last 50
years; Israel will claim that the military actions would not happen if
it were not for Hizbollah/Hamas terrorism on Israeli soil and so on.
Regrettably this is just another step along inexorable road to all-out
Arab/Israeli war in the Middle East- possibly even nuclear, within the
next 5-10 years. This could lead to a broader global conflict to gain
overall control of the Middle East/Caspian Sea oil & gas reserves.

The outlook is not good! :-))
--
John

Excellent Post, one of the few sane ones on here. Particularly your
first paragraph..

Thank You.

Humble Scribe wrote:
In message op.tc6u8iu1q4en03@home1, Arthur
writes

On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:45:49 +0100, Humble Scribe
wrote:

In message , Guy Fawkes
writes

Are Israeli attacks against the people of Lebanon and Gaza in accord
with
the requirements of international law, and if not, how are these
attacks any
different to Hitler invading Poland?


Poland wasn't firing rockets into Germany........


Just to be clear, are you saying that the current Israeli actions are
justified?

No- just pointing out the difference between Hitler's action and
Israel's action as requested.

That said and although I am Israel's Zionist policies, I suspect that if
the IRA were regularly firing rockets into Liverpool and had a
fundamental objective of wiping the UK off the map (as Hizbollah does
with Israel) then would we not support the UK army seeking to wipe them
out even if they were in the Irish Republic and the Irish Government
were doing nothing to stop them?

But then we get back to why are Hizbollah firing the rockets. They will
claim in retaliation for Israel's military actions over the last 50
years;

NO THEY WOULDN'T! You are yet another victim of Israeli propaganda.
The rockets were not fired from Lebanon until AFTER Israel had struck
civilian targets, bombing bridges, airfields etc, killing civilians
over half of whom were women and children.

In message , Scott
writes
Humble Scribe wrote:
But then we get back to why are Hizbollah firing the rockets. They
will claim in retaliation for Israel's military actions over the last
50 years;

NO THEY WOULDN'T! You are yet another victim of Israeli propaganda. The
rockets were not fired from Lebanon until AFTER Israel had struck
civilian targets, bombing bridges, airfields etc, killing civilians
over half of whom were women and children.

So- is that not an Israeli military action that took place within "the
last 50 years"!
--
John

Scott wrote:
Humble Scribe wrote:
In message op.tc6u8iu1q4en03@home1, Arthur
writes

On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:45:49 +0100, Humble Scribe
wrote:

In message , Guy Fawkes
writes

Are Israeli attacks against the people of Lebanon and Gaza in accord
with
the requirements of international law, and if not, how are these
attacks any
different to Hitler invading Poland?


Poland wasn't firing rockets into Germany........


Just to be clear, are you saying that the current Israeli actions are
justified?

No- just pointing out the difference between Hitler's action and
Israel's action as requested.

That said and although I am Israel's Zionist policies, I suspect that if
the IRA were regularly firing rockets into Liverpool and had a
fundamental objective of wiping the UK off the map (as Hizbollah does
with Israel) then would we not support the UK army seeking to wipe them
out even if they were in the Irish Republic and the Irish Government
were doing nothing to stop them?

But then we get back to why are Hizbollah firing the rockets. They will
claim in retaliation for Israel's military actions over the last 50
years;

NO THEY WOULDN'T! You are yet another victim of Israeli propaganda.
The rockets were not fired from Lebanon until AFTER Israel had struck
civilian targets, bombing bridges, airfields etc, killing civilians
over half of whom were women and children.

Check out this timeline.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timelin...Lebanon_crisis

Either you're a liar, stupid or you just want the "Truth" to fit your
perception. Why is everybody trying to make Hezbollah look like Angels?
When Hezbollah admits that it's stated aim is the destruction of Isael?


Perhaps they are buying into their Propaganda.

Humble Scribe wrote:
In message op.tc6u8iu1q4en03@home1, Arthur
writes
On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:45:49 +0100, Humble Scribe
wrote:

In message , Guy Fawkes
writes
Are Israeli attacks against the people of Lebanon and Gaza in accord
with
the requirements of international law, and if not, how are these
attacks any
different to Hitler invading Poland?


Poland wasn't firing rockets into Germany........

Just to be clear, are you saying that the current Israeli actions are
justified?

No- just pointing out the difference between Hitler's action and
Israel's action as requested.

That said and although I am Israel's Zionist policies, I suspect that if
the IRA were regularly firing rockets into Liverpool and had a
fundamental objective of wiping the UK off the map (as Hizbollah does
with Israel) then would we not support the UK army seeking to wipe them
out even if they were in the Irish Republic and the Irish Government
were doing nothing to stop them?

But then we get back to why are Hizbollah firing the rockets. They will
claim in retaliation for Israel's military actions over the last 50
years; Israel will claim that the military actions would not happen if
it were not for Hizbollah/Hamas terrorism on Israeli soil and so on.
Regrettably this is just another step along inexorable road to all-out
Arab/Israeli war in the Middle East- possibly even nuclear, within the
next 5-10 years. This could lead to a broader global conflict to gain
overall control of the Middle East/Caspian Sea oil & gas reserves.

The outlook is not good! :-))

A sort of tune-up for Armageddon, you mean?

Cheers, Sage

Arthur wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:45:49 +0100, Humble Scribe
wrote:

In message , Guy Fawkes
writes
Are Israeli attacks against the people of Lebanon and Gaza in accord
with
the requirements of international law, and if not, how are these
attacks any
different to Hitler invading Poland?


Poland wasn't firing rockets into Germany........

Just to be clear, are you saying that the current Israeli actions are
justified?

Arthur

Absolutely.

When a Nation is attacked from within the borders of another Nation,
then a State of War exists between those countries.

And War means WAR, no holding back, No pussyfooting around, no slap for
a slap,

Ask Israel.