In message , Grant
writes
You are a halfwit.


As we seem to have exhausted your stock of wit and wisdom on the subject
(more rapidly than that of most trolls) perhaps you would go and play
quietly in the corner by (more likely, with) yourself while the adults
are talking?
--
John

Arthur wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:45:49 +0100, Humble Scribe
wrote:

In message , Guy Fawkes
writes
Are Israeli attacks against the people of Lebanon and Gaza in accord
with
the requirements of international law, and if not, how are these
attacks any
different to Hitler invading Poland?


Poland wasn't firing rockets into Germany........

Just to be clear, are you saying that the current Israeli actions are
justified?

Arthur

Absolutely.

When a Nation is attacked from within the borders of another Nation,
then a State of War exists between those countries.

And War means WAR, no holding back, No pussyfooting around, no slap for
a slap,

Ask Israel.

Fred wrote:
"Arthur" wrote in message
newsp.tc6u8iu1q4en03@home1...
On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:45:49 +0100, Humble Scribe
wrote:

In message , Guy Fawkes
writes
Are Israeli attacks against the people of Lebanon and Gaza in accord
with
the requirements of international law, and if not, how are these
attacks any
different to Hitler invading Poland?


Poland wasn't firing rockets into Germany........

Just to be clear, are you saying that the current Israeli actions are
justified?

Arthur

I think what he's saying is that Poland didn't support or give haven to
anyone lobbing rockets into Germany. In the case of Lebanon, it's not quite
so clear-cut.

Whether Israel's response is proportionate is another question altogether
which by it's very nature won't get a consensus opinion.

WTF??

Why is everyone talking about a "Proportionate response?" So if someone
lobs a dozen missiles into your cities you can only lob a dozen back?

BS!!

Remember when The Soviets were just across the border? we had MAD
(Mutually assured destruction) The West convinced The Soviets that if
they came across the border that we would use Nukes due to their
conventional superiority.

Proportionate response!!! Media-invented Crap!

Humble Scribe wrote:
In message op.tc6u8iu1q4en03@home1, Arthur
writes
On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:45:49 +0100, Humble Scribe
wrote:

In message , Guy Fawkes
writes
Are Israeli attacks against the people of Lebanon and Gaza in accord
with
the requirements of international law, and if not, how are these
attacks any
different to Hitler invading Poland?


Poland wasn't firing rockets into Germany........

Just to be clear, are you saying that the current Israeli actions are
justified?

No- just pointing out the difference between Hitler's action and
Israel's action as requested.

That said and although I am Israel's Zionist policies, I suspect that if
the IRA were regularly firing rockets into Liverpool and had a
fundamental objective of wiping the UK off the map (as Hizbollah does
with Israel) then would we not support the UK army seeking to wipe them
out even if they were in the Irish Republic and the Irish Government
were doing nothing to stop them?

But then we get back to why are Hizbollah firing the rockets. They will
claim in retaliation for Israel's military actions over the last 50
years; Israel will claim that the military actions would not happen if
it were not for Hizbollah/Hamas terrorism on Israeli soil and so on.
Regrettably this is just another step along inexorable road to all-out
Arab/Israeli war in the Middle East- possibly even nuclear, within the
next 5-10 years. This could lead to a broader global conflict to gain
overall control of the Middle East/Caspian Sea oil & gas reserves.

The outlook is not good! :-))
--
John

Excellent Post, one of the few sane ones on here. Particularly your
first paragraph..

Thank You.

Grant wrote:
"Humble Scribe" wrote in message
...
In message , Guy Fawkes
writes
Are Israeli attacks against the people of Lebanon and Gaza in accord with
the requirements of international law, and if not, how are these attacks
any
different to Hitler invading Poland?


Poland wasn't firing rockets into Germany........

Lebanon are _NOT_firing rockets in to Israel. You idiot, and the Israelis
fully accept that.

But they ARE being fired from Lebanese territory, with at the very
least Lebanon looking the other way. In fact from within the Lebanese
towns and Cities that are now being destroyed!

You omitted that part in your attempt to make the Lebanese look
completely blameless.

On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 19:06:38 +0100,
wrote:


Arthur wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:45:49 +0100, Humble Scribe
wrote:

In message , Guy Fawkes
writes
Are Israeli attacks against the people of Lebanon and Gaza in accord
with
the requirements of international law, and if not, how are these
attacks any
different to Hitler invading Poland?


Poland wasn't firing rockets into Germany........

Just to be clear, are you saying that the current Israeli actions are
justified?

Arthur

Absolutely.

When a Nation is attacked from within the borders of another Nation,
then a State of War exists between those countries.

And War means WAR, no holding back, No pussyfooting around, no slap for
a slap,

Ask Israel.


Your certainly chose an appropriate name for yourself. Well done!

Arthur wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 19:06:38 +0100,
wrote:


Arthur wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:45:49 +0100, Humble Scribe
wrote:

In message , Guy Fawkes
writes
Are Israeli attacks against the people of Lebanon and Gaza in accord
with
the requirements of international law, and if not, how are these
attacks any
different to Hitler invading Poland?


Poland wasn't firing rockets into Germany........

Just to be clear, are you saying that the current Israeli actions are
justified?

Arthur

Absolutely.

When a Nation is attacked from within the borders of another Nation,
then a State of War exists between those countries.

And War means WAR, no holding back, No pussyfooting around, no slap for
a slap,

Ask Israel.


Your certainly chose an appropriate name for yourself. Well done!

Thankyou!! I thought in today's climate it suited me quite well.

But I suppose attacking one's nickname is the sum of your argument?

On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 20:56:14 +0100,
wrote:



You certainly chose an appropriate name for yourself. Well done!

Thankyou!! I thought in today's climate it suited me quite well.

But I suppose attacking one's nickname is the sum of your argument?


What attack? I praise your name. It suits you so well.

wrote in message
ups.com...

Grant wrote:
"Humble Scribe" wrote in message
...
In message , Guy Fawkes
writes
Are Israeli attacks against the people of Lebanon and Gaza in accord
with
the requirements of international law, and if not, how are these
attacks
any
different to Hitler invading Poland?


Poland wasn't firing rockets into Germany........

Lebanon are _NOT_firing rockets in to Israel. You idiot, and the
Israelis
fully accept that.

But they ARE being fired from Lebanese territory, with at the very
least Lebanon looking the other way. In fact from within the Lebanese
towns and Cities that are now being destroyed!

You omitted that part in your attempt to make the Lebanese look
completely blameless.


The small children are blameless. The old women are blameless. Many of the
young men, those who have nothing to do with Hizbollah, are blameless. So
what possible justification can there be for killing civilians and firing
missiles at mini-buses full of refugees or Red Cross vehicles? The world
knows that it is contrary to international law and that the Israelis are
guilty of war-crimes because of their failure to confine their missiles to
military targets. I hope that one day the military and political leaders of
Israel are kidnapped and taken to Europe to stand trial, the way they made
Eichmann stand trial.

And I'm afraid that many people who might have sympathised with Israel, now
feel a certain sense of satisfaction when they hear that Hizbollah missiles
are still falling on Haifa. I don't, but then again I have relatives living
in Israel. Their leaders are as stupid as ours. After all, it was Blair
whose folly caused the London bombings.

As for the Board of Deputies of British Jews, who organised a pro-Israel
demonstration in Kenton over the weekend, shame on them.

On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 22:33:20 +0100, The Todal wrote:


The small children are blameless. The old women are blameless. Many of
the
young men, those who have nothing to do with Hizbollah, are blameless. So
what possible justification can there be for killing civilians and firing
missiles at mini-buses full of refugees or Red Cross vehicles? The world
knows that it is contrary to international law and that the Israelis are
guilty of war-crimes because of their failure to confine their missiles
to
military targets. I hope that one day the military and political
leaders of
Israel are kidnapped and taken to Europe to stand trial, the way they
made
Eichmann stand trial.

And I'm afraid that many people who might have sympathised with Israel,
now
feel a certain sense of satisfaction when they hear that Hizbollah
missiles
are still falling on Haifa. I don't, but then again I have relatives
living
in Israel. Their leaders are as stupid as ours. After all, it was Blair
whose folly caused the London bombings.

As for the Board of Deputies of British Jews, who organised a pro-Israel
demonstration in Kenton over the weekend, shame on them.


I agree with you in every respect.
It is truly shameful that the Jewish people who have suffered so much for
so long, should so rapidly forget the lessons of their own history.

Humble Scribe wrote:
In message , Guy Fawkes
writes

Are Israeli attacks against the people of Lebanon and Gaza in accord with
the requirements of international law, and if not, how are these
attacks any
different to Hitler invading Poland?


Poland wasn't firing rockets into Germany........

The rockets followed the attack against Lebanon, they did not preceed it.

Arthur wrote:
..
It is truly shameful that the Jewish people who have suffered so much for
so long, should so rapidly forget the lessons of their own history.

By the same token, their history has taught them to defend themselves
as no-one else will. As I've said before, however unpalatable the
current action, it cannot easily be apportioned or explained.

The Todal wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...

Grant wrote:
"Humble Scribe" wrote in message
...
In message , Guy Fawkes
writes
Are Israeli attacks against the people of Lebanon and Gaza in accord
with
the requirements of international law, and if not, how are these
attacks
any
different to Hitler invading Poland?


Poland wasn't firing rockets into Germany........

Lebanon are _NOT_firing rockets in to Israel. You idiot, and the
Israelis
fully accept that.

But they ARE being fired from Lebanese territory, with at the very
least Lebanon looking the other way. In fact from within the Lebanese
towns and Cities that are now being destroyed!

You omitted that part in your attempt to make the Lebanese look
completely blameless.


The small children are blameless. The old women are blameless. Many of the
young men, those who have nothing to do with Hizbollah, are blameless. So
what possible justification can there be for killing civilians and firing
missiles at mini-buses full of refugees or Red Cross vehicles? The world
knows that it is contrary to international law and that the Israelis are
guilty of war-crimes because of their failure to confine their missiles to
military targets. I hope that one day the military and political leaders of
Israel are kidnapped and taken to Europe to stand trial, the way they made
Eichmann stand trial.

And I'm afraid that many people who might have sympathised with Israel, now
feel a certain sense of satisfaction when they hear that Hizbollah missiles
are still falling on Haifa. I don't, but then again I have relatives living
in Israel. Their leaders are as stupid as ours. After all, it was Blair
whose folly caused the London bombings.

As for the Board of Deputies of British Jews, who organised a pro-Israel
demonstration in Kenton over the weekend, shame on them.

Are they completely blameless? Is anyone in Lebanon completely
blameless? Hezbollah has had a major presence in that country for
years. They have been supported by the local population, the government
and their neighbours. They knew their aims of annihilation of Israel
and yet at the very least Tolerated them.

Time to pay The Reaper.

I notice that you're very keen to get the Israeli's to "stand trial",
but don't mention anyone from Hezbollah, who have been aiming rockets
at Israeli residential districts, (failing to confine their missiles to
military targets!) killing and
injuring,......................................... ...........................................yes
Civilians!! (Any particular reason for not mentioning that?)

Oh, and by the way, to prove "War Crimes" you would have to show that
the targets were *known* to be innocent civilians, and were
deliberately targetted. Impossible in this war where Hezbollah hides
like children in Residential areas don't you think?

Humble Scribe wrote:
In message op.tc6u8iu1q4en03@home1, Arthur
writes

On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:45:49 +0100, Humble Scribe
wrote:

In message , Guy Fawkes
writes

Are Israeli attacks against the people of Lebanon and Gaza in accord
with
the requirements of international law, and if not, how are these
attacks any
different to Hitler invading Poland?


Poland wasn't firing rockets into Germany........


Just to be clear, are you saying that the current Israeli actions are
justified?

No- just pointing out the difference between Hitler's action and
Israel's action as requested.

That said and although I am Israel's Zionist policies, I suspect that if
the IRA were regularly firing rockets into Liverpool and had a
fundamental objective of wiping the UK off the map (as Hizbollah does
with Israel) then would we not support the UK army seeking to wipe them
out even if they were in the Irish Republic and the Irish Government
were doing nothing to stop them?

But then we get back to why are Hizbollah firing the rockets. They will
claim in retaliation for Israel's military actions over the last 50
years;

NO THEY WOULDN'T! You are yet another victim of Israeli propaganda.
The rockets were not fired from Lebanon until AFTER Israel had struck
civilian targets, bombing bridges, airfields etc, killing civilians
over half of whom were women and children.

wrote:
The Todal wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...
Grant wrote:
"Humble Scribe" wrote in message
...
In message , Guy Fawkes
writes
Are Israeli attacks against the people of Lebanon and Gaza in accord
with
the requirements of international law, and if not, how are these
attacks
any
different to Hitler invading Poland?


Poland wasn't firing rockets into Germany........

Lebanon are _NOT_firing rockets in to Israel. You idiot, and the
Israelis
fully accept that.
But they ARE being fired from Lebanese territory, with at the very
least Lebanon looking the other way. In fact from within the Lebanese
towns and Cities that are now being destroyed!

You omitted that part in your attempt to make the Lebanese look
completely blameless.

The small children are blameless. The old women are blameless. Many of the
young men, those who have nothing to do with Hizbollah, are blameless. So
what possible justification can there be for killing civilians and firing
missiles at mini-buses full of refugees or Red Cross vehicles? The world
knows that it is contrary to international law and that the Israelis are
guilty of war-crimes because of their failure to confine their missiles to
military targets. I hope that one day the military and political leaders of
Israel are kidnapped and taken to Europe to stand trial, the way they made
Eichmann stand trial.

And I'm afraid that many people who might have sympathised with Israel, now
feel a certain sense of satisfaction when they hear that Hizbollah missiles
are still falling on Haifa. I don't, but then again I have relatives living
in Israel. Their leaders are as stupid as ours. After all, it was Blair
whose folly caused the London bombings.

As for the Board of Deputies of British Jews, who organised a pro-Israel
demonstration in Kenton over the weekend, shame on them.

Are they completely blameless? Is anyone in Lebanon completely
blameless? Hezbollah has had a major presence in that country for
years. They have been supported by the local population, the government
and their neighbours. They knew their aims of annihilation of Israel
and yet at the very least Tolerated them.

Time to pay The Reaper.

I notice that you're very keen to get the Israeli's to "stand trial",
but don't mention anyone from Hezbollah, who have been aiming rockets
at Israeli residential districts, (failing to confine their missiles to
military targets!) killing and
injuring,......................................... ...........................................yes
Civilians!! (Any particular reason for not mentioning that?)

Oh, and by the way, to prove "War Crimes" you would have to show that
the targets were *known* to be innocent civilians, and were
deliberately targetted. Impossible in this war where Hezbollah hides
like children in Residential areas don't you think?

Hezbollah did not exist before Israel last invaded Lebanon, it was
created as a response to that little act of (illegal) occupation