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Tetanus every 5-10 years - Please Read - Important!
On Sun, 6 Aug 2006 20:05:21 +1000, "Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote:
Since he is the one who claimed to fell unwelcome then that is HIS personal reaction. Whether you believe or feel that he was made unwelcome or not is a judgement that you can not make on his behalf. A quick post, i have calmed down quite a bit. I never meant to give the impression that URG made me feel un-welcome! On the contrary many people on URG were fantastic including Janet (after all she was the only one on rec.gardens, who actually replied to my introduction there, with a rattling good mail). I wouldn't have come this way unless i had met her (i think she mentioned URG in a post or something, but i don't quite remember). Now i'm not sure, but i suspect that she is partly angry with me because of my constant harping about raspberry. I think she went into "troll-alert" mode when i mentioned raspberry on URG, especially when she had said, on RG, that raspberrys need cool climes. She is right but only partly. Check out: "http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/morton/mysore_raspberry.html" Now i'd love to claim that i knew about that all the time i was on URG, unfortunately i only found out about that as of Tue Aug 01; well after my first Tetanus post and well after all the raspberry references on URG. The reason i mention it is because i'm trying to give you a insight into my character; I am fairly persistent when i want something and don't give up easily, especially when i'm not happy with the answer. I'll post the same question on multiple newsgroups and web-sites. For eg: that "Hairy Vetch" answer left me un-satisfied and i made it a point to post almost immediately on gardenweb where i got a more satisfactory answer - "Rhizobium leguminosarum, type "C"". Mike Lyle or Nick Mclaren may have felt quite offended at my persistence, though i view that quite differently. About Tetanus, OT posts and the Charter: The charter does give the impression people from all over the world are welcome so long as they post on a UK related subject. Now in my opinion, as a total stranger to URG, URG does try to live up to the spirit off the charter (my warm welcome is testament to that), but only partly. ( IMPORTANT - READ CAREFULLY ) The charter assumes that people from outside will know everything there is to know about the UK and then carefully draft questions and answers to various posts on URG thus staying on topic; That's not likely to be the case. What is worse, the charter gives the impression that so long as one does not post like this: "Hi, how do i grow grapes in Finland" - all is welcome. There is one other thing the charter implies: It implies that the person from outside can discuss/mention his country's plants, his gardening methods etc within a thread, so long as he doesn't start a thread like: "My garden in Norway; Tulips in bloom". I strongly feel that the charter must be re-edited to reflect the above, with examples, a skull and cross-bones to boot and DANGER-READ-READ signs. Which now brings me to a more controversial topic, the various comments. Here i am on uncertain ground. I don't want to inflame tempers and have people insult me again, but i feel that i should speak up against certain statements in the vain hope that people will actually see the injustice off it. Well *grin* you might want to blame Farm1 for it . Farm, you beast from outerspace! I love you for speaking up for me in this ripping fashion and goading her into rending you! Now i wish you'd pipe down for ever and let me speak to the lady concerned. I suppose she will blow a couple of fuses and just kill-file me *grin*. Janet, your a total worm and a utter rotter! I doubt you'll ever listen to me, and even if you do, i doubt you'd actually learn anything. You'r like my Dad - he'll never ever admit he was wrong! 1. Begging posts on rec.gardens. Remember the "Help A Disabled Man's Dream Come True" post on rec.gardens? That was a begging post; it claimed destitution and asked for charity. Did i ever, in any of my posts do that Janet? Did i ever say send me something for free because i'm very very nice? There is a difference between "Beg", "Ask" and "Offer in fair trade". You accuse me of begging because you are spiteful! You know only too well the kind of reputation we Indians have in the world and you play on that! Being a newcomer to URG and a Indian to boot, any comments you make against me will be accepted without the least bit of double checking! 2. "He has also emailed me privately, more than once, with screeds of additional questions which I also answered for him politely and helpfully." That does raise visions of, tons of questions, and email on various topics, being patiently answered by a paragon of patience and virtue. The total conversation amounted to: 1. 1 - email V-J 2. 1 - email J-V 3. 1 - thank-you-for-clarifying, email V-J. All i ever asked her was if a Mr. X was trolling me because he had mailed me about trolls and tracking them down; I did this because you appeared to be a long standing member of the NG who appeared friendly; It seemed quite the sensible thing to do. That's deception No 2 and why i hate you. 3. "his "naive schoolboy gardener" act earned particular tolerance and forbearance in this group until he got bored," Well, i plead guilty to this one. I'm not nearly so naive as i seem. Maybe some of you will take the time to go here and take a peek: http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/...951048967.html If i'm lying at least i lie consistently! Or did you mean that i was trying too hard to get into everyones good graces.. Do you find this particular post to be particularly school-boyish? Try to grasp something - running around with a frown on your face doesn't make you a man and don't confuse bluntness with naivety. Crotchety-ness doesn't make you wise, merely old. You are crotchety. I mean, you are nice and kind and well meaning but your a heck off a good hater at the same time! If i'm in your good books then you are all lovey-dovey but the slightest infraction and a proper ticking off i get and god help me if i resist! Then immediately i am a troll and it's off to the dungeon any which way; no holds barred and you'll say anything and do anything to get the group to hate me! Now perhaps you would care to elaborate as to how i was IMPOSING on the group? Mr. Lamey i can understand imposes on this NG; I don't quite see how i am equated with him in one fell stroke. That isn't fair Janet! You aren't being a wee bit fair from point 1 onwards! You are treating this NG as if it's your little baby and using all sorts of nasty tactics in its defense. Anyway.. I don't quite understand how tolerance and forebearance come into the picture? As long as i don't violate your charter rules, i don't impose OR require tolerance OR forebearance. It's only when the charter rules are GROSSLY or FLAGRANTLY violated does forgiveness forebearance/tolerance come into the picture. I honestly doubt i was that bad! Or did i just stay too long and outlive my welcome? There are a couple of other points i wanted to go into but i won't. This damned post is already too long and i do have something more important to add. I've already quit this NG; If YOU really wan't me to, i'll quit RG as well. I can't exactly lurk because i'll see something like Farm1's stolid defence *grin* and then be tempted to post. There is a reason why i'm being extra nice to you - You replied to me first and were helpfu and very nicel, even if things soured later. I'll offset your niceness against the grouchy you. Gardening info i can find on the web; I already have a gardening community in gardenweb so it's a small price to pay for clearing things up and calming frayed nerves. It really doesn't pay to leave disputes un-settled. I mean, let's just raise the white-flag. I'll f*off and get out of your hair and all is forgiven. Bygones are bygones. Well that's what i'm going to do in any case just though you should know. Just do me the favour of not making any more acid remarks - I'll consider that as a peace offering. I mean come on Jan, If i'm out of here for ever and RG for possibly (1-2 years) well surely i couldn't possibly be a troll and my very abscence is proof, right? Anyway - no more posts from my side. This should be by last - unless you are dying or something and wanting to hear from me *grin* Bye. And try not to say anything un-pleasent. It upsets me know end! Wish all this had never happened! Bye |
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