I may be asking for the moon but I'd be grateful for suggestions for a
climbing or rambling rose to go up the front of our house. We've just
removed a poorly flowering Wisteria. I'd like a disease resistant, strongly
fragrant, repeat flowering vigorous climber or rambler. Any ideas? Ray &
Matthew are very wary about roses in this part of the country because our
mild, damp climate seems to give too many rose diseases their head!
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/

"Sacha" wrote
I may be asking for the moon but I'd be grateful for suggestions for a
climbing or rambling rose to go up the front of our house. We've just
removed a poorly flowering Wisteria. I'd like a disease resistant,
strongly
fragrant, repeat flowering vigorous climber or rambler. Any ideas? Ray &
Matthew are very wary about roses in this part of the country because our
mild, damp climate seems to give too many rose diseases their head!

Poorly flowering Wisteria? I can't remember, is it a North facing wall then?
Or in shade? :-)
If so it might have some bearing on what rose you can plant.

--
Regards
Bob H
17mls W. of London.UK

On 2/10/06 16:53, in article , "Bob Hobden"
wrote:


"Sacha" wrote
I may be asking for the moon but I'd be grateful for suggestions for a
climbing or rambling rose to go up the front of our house. We've just
removed a poorly flowering Wisteria. I'd like a disease resistant,
strongly
fragrant, repeat flowering vigorous climber or rambler. Any ideas? Ray &
Matthew are very wary about roses in this part of the country because our
mild, damp climate seems to give too many rose diseases their head!

Poorly flowering Wisteria? I can't remember, is it a North facing wall then?
Or in shade? :-)
If so it might have some bearing on what rose you can plant.

No, it's the south front of the house, facing the big lawn and new pond,
cedar tree at bottom of lawn etc. We don't know why it was flowering poorly
but it was very old so perhaps it simply ran out of steam. It didn't have
masses of flowers anyway and they came out at the same time as, or just
after the leaves so one never saw much of them, either. It might have been
just not terribly good in the first place, of course but we don't know that.
The other thing is that it's at the back of that very wide border so
impossible to get to in full growing/flowering season, without trampling on
something else. This meant that all the tendrils had ample opportunity to
find their way into guttering, under roof tiles and obliterate our dressing
room window. What with that and the Rosa banksiae lutea and Clematis
rehederiana which are outside the bedroom window and have been blown down a
bit in the gales, it felt as if we were living in an aquarium!
We're also considering the benefits of two types of Clematis, though we
won't get strong scents from those. However, chosen carefully, we could get
them flowering over a long period. The C. rehederiana is up to the roof top
and is flowering profusely now - it looks absolutely wonderful.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/

"Sacha" wrote
I may be asking for the moon but I'd be grateful for suggestions for a
climbing or rambling rose to go up the front of our house. We've just
removed a poorly flowering Wisteria. I'd like a disease resistant,
strongly fragrant, repeat flowering vigorous climber or rambler. Any
ideas? Ray & Matthew are very wary about roses in this part of the
country because our mild, damp climate seems to give too many rose
diseases their head!

A few ideas he www.beechesnursery.co.uk/roses/climb.htm

Climbing 'Etoile de Hollande' sounds as if it ought to be wonderful -
velvety red with a rich fragrance. I want one!

Or maybe 'Compassion' or 'Shot Silk Climbing'.

--
Sue

I've often thought that Wisteria must have been seed-grown, because
I've never seen it look as spectacular as it should. Anyway, I think a
really good repeat climber will do very well although most modern
climbers with their somewhat stiff upright growth might look out of
place. My favourite 3 look wonderful in a country house setting and
invariably provide armfuls of flower for the house as well.

Clg.'Lady Hillingdon'. is about as close to a true tea rose as you can
get without the problems of weakness and poor weather resistance that
plagued them when they were at the height of popularity. By breeding
it's a climbing hybrid-tea, but that's where the similarity stops.
Clusters of wonderfully long, elegant buds on lax stems open to very
lovely, waxy apricot, loosely formed flowers that emit a strong sweet
fragrance. The foliage is very ample and lush, purple tinted when
young and the stems are smooth with relatively few thorns. It gives a
magnificent flowering in early summer and repeats well through to
autumn. On a poor dry soil it can get mildew, but I've never seen it
with blackspot or rust.

'Mme Alfred Carriere' really takes some beating. It has strong,
vigorous almost thornless growth and is about as disease resistant as
you can get. The flowers are large, blowsy affairs - typically 'old
rose' in style. They are white overlaid with blush and very strongly
fragrant. Once it starts it is almost perpetually in flower and
there's almost always plenty to cut for the house.

'Lady Sylvia' is a climbing sport of an early hybrid-tea (Ophelia).
Its delicate pink buds are long and perfectly formed. These open to
large, well shaped semi-double blooms that are soft pink flushed with
apricot and exude a strong sweet fragrance. Growth is very healthy and
vigorous and flowering continues right through summer and early autumn.

On 3/10/06 04:41, in article
, "DavePoole Torquay"
wrote:

I've often thought that Wisteria must have been seed-grown, because
I've never seen it look as spectacular as it should.

We were talking about it last night and that's our suspicion, too. It was
already here when Ray came here and he thinks it was probably planted by
Hyams in the 60s. Hyams got a lot of plants from Dartington Hall and from
Greenway, because he was friendly with both the Elmhirsts and Agatha
Christie, so maybe that was one of them!

Anyway, I think a
really good repeat climber will do very well although most modern
climbers with their somewhat stiff upright growth might look out of
place. My favourite 3 look wonderful in a country house setting and
invariably provide armfuls of flower for the house as well.

Clg.'Lady Hillingdon'. is about as close to a true tea rose as you can
get without the problems of weakness and poor weather resistance that
plagued them when they were at the height of popularity. By breeding
it's a climbing hybrid-tea, but that's where the similarity stops.
Clusters of wonderfully long, elegant buds on lax stems open to very
lovely, waxy apricot, loosely formed flowers that emit a strong sweet
fragrance. The foliage is very ample and lush, purple tinted when
young and the stems are smooth with relatively few thorns. It gives a
magnificent flowering in early summer and repeats well through to
autumn. On a poor dry soil it can get mildew, but I've never seen it
with blackspot or rust.

This sounds perfect and I like Sue's suggestion of Etoile d'Hollande.
Perhaps I'll be allowed to go mad and have both! Because they'll be at the
back of that big, wide border, Ray is thinking of making a stepping stone
type path through the shrubs etc. in that bed. I still think it'll take a
machete to get to the back!

'Mme Alfred Carriere' really takes some beating. It has strong,
vigorous almost thornless growth and is about as disease resistant as
you can get. The flowers are large, blowsy affairs - typically 'old
rose' in style. They are white overlaid with blush and very strongly
fragrant. Once it starts it is almost perpetually in flower and
there's almost always plenty to cut for the house.

We're growing this and Gloire de Dijon already and those are two of my major
favourites.

'Lady Sylvia' is a climbing sport of an early hybrid-tea (Ophelia).
Its delicate pink buds are long and perfectly formed. These open to
large, well shaped semi-double blooms that are soft pink flushed with
apricot and exude a strong sweet fragrance. Growth is very healthy and
vigorous and flowering continues right through summer and early autumn.

I'll suggest that one for the pergola on the path through the nursery. We
lost Francois de Juranville there because - I suspect - the Sweeney Todd of
the family got a bit too enthusiastic with the pruning! The very best rose
we have for scent is Mde. Isaac Pereire but sadly, it doesn't repeat flower.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/

On 3/10/06 01:28, in article
ws.net, "Sue"
wrote:


"Sacha" wrote
I may be asking for the moon but I'd be grateful for suggestions for a
climbing or rambling rose to go up the front of our house. We've just
removed a poorly flowering Wisteria. I'd like a disease resistant,
strongly fragrant, repeat flowering vigorous climber or rambler. Any
ideas? Ray & Matthew are very wary about roses in this part of the
country because our mild, damp climate seems to give too many rose
diseases their head!

A few ideas he www.beechesnursery.co.uk/roses/climb.htm

Climbing 'Etoile de Hollande' sounds as if it ought to be wonderful -
velvety red with a rich fragrance. I want one!

That does sound gorgeous. I'll check out disease resistance. Thanks, Sue.

Or maybe 'Compassion' or 'Shot Silk Climbing'.

--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/

Sacha wrote:

Climbing 'Etoile de Hollande' sounds as if it ought to be wonderful -
velvety red with a rich fragrance. I want one!

That does sound gorgeous. I'll check out disease resistance. Thanks, Sue.

'Etoile de Hollande' is a very fine climber producing a mass of rich
crimson flowers in June, a lesser, but still very impressive show in
late summer with the occasional intermittent bloom in between. It
needs watching for mildew on a dry soil and occasionally gets
blackspot, but is vigorous enough to cope with it quite well. Well
worth the risk IMO

'Compassion' is a very good modern HT type, but for that wall it may be
bit too short and rather too stiffly upright. It will take some very
stern training to develop the amount of wall cover you need. Great for
pillars though and limited spaces.

'Shot Silk' would do the job well though. It is healthy and fragrant
with good 'clean' foliage and can cover a large area quickly. Maybe
the shade of cerise is a tad strident for my taste, but it has
fragrance in bucket loads and repeats reasonably well.

On 4/10/06 07:11, in article
, "DavePoole Torquay"
wrote:

Sacha wrote:

Climbing 'Etoile de Hollande' sounds as if it ought to be wonderful -
velvety red with a rich fragrance. I want one!

That does sound gorgeous. I'll check out disease resistance. Thanks, Sue.

'Etoile de Hollande' is a very fine climber producing a mass of rich
crimson flowers in June, a lesser, but still very impressive show in
late summer with the occasional intermittent bloom in between. It
needs watching for mildew on a dry soil and occasionally gets
blackspot, but is vigorous enough to cope with it quite well. Well
worth the risk IMO

That sounds very probable, then.

'Compassion' is a very good modern HT type, but for that wall it may be
bit too short and rather too stiffly upright. It will take some very
stern training to develop the amount of wall cover you need. Great for
pillars though and limited spaces.

'Shot Silk' would do the job well though. It is healthy and fragrant
with good 'clean' foliage and can cover a large area quickly. Maybe
the shade of cerise is a tad strident for my taste, but it has
fragrance in bucket loads and repeats reasonably well.

Shot Silk sounds a good bet, so I'll look into that one. I don't mind a
bright colour because it's a grey stone wall but not if it's in the
Superstar category of 'strident'! It is a large expanse of wall, even with
the other things left on it and some of the climbers I first looked up only
go to 8'.
We're also going to replace the white Rosa banksia because the old one had
to be ripped out, it was in such a messy tangle. Naturally, this is the
first year it has flowered its socks off, too....the yellow one seems much
more vigorous and floriferous.
That white rose we have outside the kitchen window has also flowered very
well the last two years - I never remember its name proper R. macabeata,
macleata, something like that! The sparrows love it particularly for some
reason, and lots of them roost in it.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/

On 4/10/06 10:08, in article , "Sacha"
wrote:

snip
That white rose we have outside the kitchen window has also flowered very
well the last two years - I never remember its name proper R. macabeata,
macleata, something like that!
snip

Sigh.....Rosa bracteata. Sorry.

--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/

Sacha wrote:
Sigh.....Rosa bracteata. Sorry.

Ah, now that makes sense. You conveniently combined the common name
'Macartney Rose' with its proper name. It's a parent of 'Mermaid' and
a magnificent plant in its own right. Unfortunately, it rarely does
well away from the most southern counties since it needs heat and sun
and even down here it only performs well in good years. I tried it in
the Midlands many moons ago and only ever saw half a dozen of its big
white saucers at any one time. Nice fragrance, good foliage, but sadly
more at home in Montpelier than Morecambe.