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Council rejects bin fine plea
On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:28:00 +0100, "Jim Webster"
wrote: "Geoff" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:51:23 +0100, "Jim Webster" wrote: "Geoff" wrote in message ... On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:02:54 +0100, "Jim Webster" wrote: "Geoff" wrote in message om... On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:33:01 +0100, "Jim Webster" wrote: "Geoff" wrote in message news:dljpj2hdmqt0ukqqc03bhdk9be24qd4p9i@4ax .com... On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:07:12 +0100, "Jim Webster" wrote: "Geoff" wrote in message news:bripj2diur9t2lc9qirn8infofpeg42lj4@4 ax.com... On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:59:38 +0100, "Jim Webster" wrote: "Geoff" wrote in message news:s0hpj2ta37q789tb9t7tal2gsle2446nu6 @4ax.com... On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:24:51 +0100, "Jim Webster" wrote: "Geoff" wrote in message news:lgepj2ph69m9m6f4v09573r2h36a6asp ... On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:35:32 +0100, "Jim Webster" wrote: "Geoff" wrote in message news:1ronj2hcdnjn3vi7u7bm3j0fqfrr4h ... On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 19:28:08 +0100, Old Codger wrote: Sla#s wrote: Geoff wrote: On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 09:49:40 +0100, "Pat Gardiner" wrote: SNIP What does an innocent man have to hide from ID cards? "People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both." B Franklin And Als die Nazis die Kommunisten holten, habe ich geschwiegen; ich war ja kein Kommunist.... Indeed and, given that folk can now have their liberty restricted for long periods 'on suspicion' with no trial, it has already started. Good. yes, they seem to be hitting the animal rights people pretty hard Not from where I'm standing corpse diggers doing time, a good start they'll be working their way down the list and just think, with the new laws on the statute they can pull anyone in on suspicion of terrorism and keep them inside for quite a while As they already have done to pro hunt nuts. just watch for the knock on the door Anytime. How long you nuts been saying that? pete There is no pete. Fool. I suppose you could be clinging to that fake to avoid confronting your demons? Anytime you or your dumb buddies fancy their chances........ wonder if anyone has talked. or perhaps someone has just forwarded them some of your posts Why not you? Ask yourself what you could do to save face! I hardly need to, looking at the number of people you have hacked off, With friends like yours pete ;-)) You're wise not to step forward, which is surprising, given the fact you're a village idiot. looking over your shoulder and getting nervous pete, Of what fatty. You abducting my kids, or hitting women? LOL I don't think so. Feel free to try. oh we are twitchy today aren't we Of what? What could a village idiot possibly do to scare me? Perhaps you'd like to write to my employers? LOL The good thing about being loaded, having lots of friends and bold as brass. Is that I don't need to fear goons, even yellow ones! methinks she doth protest to much Methinks you don't like things that bite back! I'm not the one looking over my shoulder worrying Something's worrying/upsetting you. I wonder what it could be! don't worry, they might not grass you up My local Police have had many, many anonymous letters from kooks and other pro hunt nuts, trying to have me *done* for various offences. Luckily, unlike you, the police don't accept hearsay/drivel/bitchiness as evidence. In fact one unlucky obsessive actually found himself doing 180 hours community service, not a million miles from you, for wasting Police time. |
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Council rejects bin fine plea
"Geoff" wrote in message ... On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:28:00 +0100, "Jim Webster" wrote: "Geoff" wrote in message . .. On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:51:23 +0100, "Jim Webster" wrote: "Geoff" wrote in message m... On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:02:54 +0100, "Jim Webster" wrote: "Geoff" wrote in message news:tmkpj253rsub1r2l00vder9prem232cb99@4ax. com... On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:33:01 +0100, "Jim Webster" wrote: "Geoff" wrote in message news:dljpj2hdmqt0ukqqc03bhdk9be24qd4p9i@4a x.com... On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:07:12 +0100, "Jim Webster" wrote: "Geoff" wrote in message news:bripj2diur9t2lc9qirn8infofpeg42lj4@ 4ax.com... On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:59:38 +0100, "Jim Webster" wrote: "Geoff" wrote in message news:s0hpj2ta37q789tb9t7tal2gsle2446nu ... On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:24:51 +0100, "Jim Webster" wrote: "Geoff" wrote in message news:lgepj2ph69m9m6f4v09573r2h36a6as ... On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:35:32 +0100, "Jim Webster" wrote: "Geoff" wrote in message news:1ronj2hcdnjn3vi7u7bm3j0fqfrr4 ... On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 19:28:08 +0100, Old Codger wrote: Sla#s wrote: Geoff wrote: On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 09:49:40 +0100, "Pat Gardiner" wrote: SNIP What does an innocent man have to hide from ID cards? "People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both." B Franklin And Als die Nazis die Kommunisten holten, habe ich geschwiegen; ich war ja kein Kommunist.... Indeed and, given that folk can now have their liberty restricted for long periods 'on suspicion' with no trial, it has already started. Good. yes, they seem to be hitting the animal rights people pretty hard Not from where I'm standing corpse diggers doing time, a good start they'll be working their way down the list and just think, with the new laws on the statute they can pull anyone in on suspicion of terrorism and keep them inside for quite a while As they already have done to pro hunt nuts. just watch for the knock on the door Anytime. How long you nuts been saying that? pete There is no pete. Fool. I suppose you could be clinging to that fake to avoid confronting your demons? Anytime you or your dumb buddies fancy their chances........ wonder if anyone has talked. or perhaps someone has just forwarded them some of your posts Why not you? Ask yourself what you could do to save face! I hardly need to, looking at the number of people you have hacked off, With friends like yours pete ;-)) You're wise not to step forward, which is surprising, given the fact you're a village idiot. looking over your shoulder and getting nervous pete, Of what fatty. You abducting my kids, or hitting women? LOL I don't think so. Feel free to try. oh we are twitchy today aren't we Of what? What could a village idiot possibly do to scare me? Perhaps you'd like to write to my employers? LOL The good thing about being loaded, having lots of friends and bold as brass. Is that I don't need to fear goons, even yellow ones! methinks she doth protest to much Methinks you don't like things that bite back! I'm not the one looking over my shoulder worrying Something's worrying/upsetting you. I wonder what it could be! don't worry, they might not grass you up My local Police have had many, many anonymous letters from kooks and other pro hunt nuts, trying to have me *done* for various offences. Luckily, unlike you, the police don't accept hearsay/drivel/bitchiness as evidence. In fact one unlucky obsessive actually found himself doing 180 hours community service, not a million miles from you, for wasting Police time. aw bless pete is harassed |
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Council rejects bin fine plea
On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 18:05:13 +0100, "Jim Webster"
wrote: "Geoff" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:28:00 +0100, "Jim Webster" wrote: "Geoff" wrote in message ... On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:51:23 +0100, "Jim Webster" wrote: "Geoff" wrote in message om... On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:02:54 +0100, "Jim Webster" wrote: "Geoff" wrote in message news:tmkpj253rsub1r2l00vder9prem232cb99@4ax .com... On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:33:01 +0100, "Jim Webster" wrote: "Geoff" wrote in message news:dljpj2hdmqt0ukqqc03bhdk9be24qd4p9i@4 ax.com... On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:07:12 +0100, "Jim Webster" wrote: "Geoff" wrote in message news:bripj2diur9t2lc9qirn8infofpeg42lj4 @4ax.com... On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:59:38 +0100, "Jim Webster" wrote: "Geoff" wrote in message news:s0hpj2ta37q789tb9t7tal2gsle2446n ... On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:24:51 +0100, "Jim Webster" wrote: "Geoff" wrote in message news:lgepj2ph69m9m6f4v09573r2h36a6a ... On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:35:32 +0100, "Jim Webster" wrote: "Geoff" wrote in message news:1ronj2hcdnjn3vi7u7bm3j0fqfrr ... On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 19:28:08 +0100, Old Codger wrote: Sla#s wrote: Geoff wrote: On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 09:49:40 +0100, "Pat Gardiner" wrote: SNIP What does an innocent man have to hide from ID cards? "People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both." B Franklin And Als die Nazis die Kommunisten holten, habe ich geschwiegen; ich war ja kein Kommunist.... Indeed and, given that folk can now have their liberty restricted for long periods 'on suspicion' with no trial, it has already started. Good. yes, they seem to be hitting the animal rights people pretty hard Not from where I'm standing corpse diggers doing time, a good start they'll be working their way down the list and just think, with the new laws on the statute they can pull anyone in on suspicion of terrorism and keep them inside for quite a while As they already have done to pro hunt nuts. just watch for the knock on the door Anytime. How long you nuts been saying that? pete There is no pete. Fool. I suppose you could be clinging to that fake to avoid confronting your demons? Anytime you or your dumb buddies fancy their chances........ wonder if anyone has talked. or perhaps someone has just forwarded them some of your posts Why not you? Ask yourself what you could do to save face! I hardly need to, looking at the number of people you have hacked off, With friends like yours pete ;-)) You're wise not to step forward, which is surprising, given the fact you're a village idiot. looking over your shoulder and getting nervous pete, Of what fatty. You abducting my kids, or hitting women? LOL I don't think so. Feel free to try. oh we are twitchy today aren't we Of what? What could a village idiot possibly do to scare me? Perhaps you'd like to write to my employers? LOL The good thing about being loaded, having lots of friends and bold as brass. Is that I don't need to fear goons, even yellow ones! methinks she doth protest to much Methinks you don't like things that bite back! I'm not the one looking over my shoulder worrying Something's worrying/upsetting you. I wonder what it could be! don't worry, they might not grass you up My local Police have had many, many anonymous letters from kooks and other pro hunt nuts, trying to have me *done* for various offences. Luckily, unlike you, the police don't accept hearsay/drivel/bitchiness as evidence. In fact one unlucky obsessive actually found himself doing 180 hours community service, not a million miles from you, for wasting Police time. aw bless pete is harassed I don't see any Pete. Who's Pete? Angus Macmillan www.roots-of-blood.org.uk www.killhunting.org www.con-servation.org.uk All truth passes through three stages: First, it is ridiculed; Second, it is violently opposed; and Third, it is accepted as self-evident. -- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860) |
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Council rejects bin fine plea
wrote in message ... aw bless pete is harassed I don't see any Pete. Who's Pete? someone said something about organ grinders |
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Council rejects bin fine plea
On 23 Oct 2006 10:43:12 -0700, "Mark"
wrote: wrote: I don't see any Pete. Who's Pete? Oh do pay attention Angus. To save you having to post this question yet again, let's keep this simple (as I know you like very simple things)... Pete is the name of the only person on any of these groups who ever agrees with you, he may use different signatures as has been pointed out many times, but it's always Pete. Remember Angus - if the poster agrees with you, it's Pete. The rest of us are normal... You're confused. No-one was agreeing with me and I'm not sure you can be classed as "normal" :-)) Angus Macmillan www.roots-of-blood.org.uk www.killhunting.org www.con-servation.org.uk All truth passes through three stages: First, it is ridiculed; Second, it is violently opposed; and Third, it is accepted as self-evident. -- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860) |
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Council rejects bin fine plea
On 23 Oct 2006 10:43:12 -0700, "Mark"
wrote: wrote: I don't see any Pete. Who's Pete? Oh do pay attention Angus. To save you having to post this question yet again, let's keep this simple (as I know you like very simple things)... Pete is the name of the only person on any of these groups who ever agrees with you, he may use different signatures as has been pointed out many times, but it's always Pete. Remember Angus - if the poster agrees with you, it's Pete. The rest of us are normal... If you know who Pete is, could you let Dim Jim know because he is quite upset, and looking for him. I think he'd like to hurt him. |
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Council rejects bin fine plea
"Mark" wrote in message ups.com...
wrote: I don't see any Pete. Who's Pete? Oh do pay attention Angus. To save you having to post this question yet again, let's keep this simple (as I know you like very simple things)... Pete is the name of the only person on any of these groups who ever agrees with you, he may use different signatures as has been pointed out many times, but it's always Pete. Remember Angus - if the poster agrees with you, it's Pete. Guess I'm Pete then. |
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Council rejects bin fine plea
On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:55:45 +0100, "pearl"
wrote: "Mark" wrote in message ups.com... wrote: I don't see any Pete. Who's Pete? Oh do pay attention Angus. To save you having to post this question yet again, let's keep this simple (as I know you like very simple things)... Pete is the name of the only person on any of these groups who ever agrees with you, he may use different signatures as has been pointed out many times, but it's always Pete. Remember Angus - if the poster agrees with you, it's Pete. Guess I'm Pete then. Yeah. Me2. |
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Blight spray clouds organic claims *Another Soil Association CON?
It would seem the Soil Association are rapidly losing credibility
after their recent exposure that they support organic aquaculture standards http://tinyurl.com/y3pfh3 It would seem they also think it's OK to spray our spuds with copper! http://tinyurl.com/y6l9sv Blight spray clouds organic claims By Martin Cassidy BBC Northern Ireland's rural affairs correspondent Questions have emerged about the marketing and labelling of organic food after BBC research found artificial chemicals are being used to control potato blight. Confirmation that copper oxychloride is being used to control the fungal disease has come from the Soil Association. The association promotes organic farming as being free of artificial chemicals and has admitted that the copper-based blight sprays represent an "achilles heel". Consumers assume sprays are not used Organic farmers are also now asking questions about the sprays which the Soil Association says are used as a last resort, but which potato growers say they rely on to produce their crops. Tom Gilbert, who runs Ballylaggan organic farm in County Antrim, questions whether organic potato production should even be attempted in the British isles because of a climate which almost invariably results in blight infection. He said: "If you have to spray things to make them succeed, it's not really what the organic ideal is about. I do it with a heavy heart spraying them because I don't really approve of it." 'Under review' Mr Gilbert, who sells directly from his farm shop, makes a point of telling customers how the produce is grown but down on the high street shoppers seem confused. "I just assumed that things like that were not used on organic farms," said one. The BBC's investigation has also found other evidence of disquiet within the organic sector. The Soil Association has confirmed that the use of the greenish blue powder-based sprays is now limited to eight kilos per hectare - equivalent to three applications during the growing of a potato crop. With shoppers paying as much as £3 for a small bag of spuds, they may now be asking what exactly does the organic label stand for An inquiry to the association's technical department has revealed that while copper-based blight sprays are permitted for the time being, the chemicals are now "under review". All this may leave consumers wondering if there is any evidence of copper residues in potatoes that reach the shops. The results of the BBC's research though, are reassuring from a food safety point of view. The investigation did not highlight any health concerns. What is now under the microscope is the definition of organic. The Soil Association's claim that organically grown crops do not require artificial chemicals seems somewhat blighted and seems to run counter to what is happening down on the farm. With shoppers paying as much as £3 for a small bag of potatoes, they may now be asking what exactly does the organic label stand for. also see http://tinyurl.com/wxlya It certainly seems as though the standards we thought we were buying in to, are not quite the standards they would have us believe! |
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Blight spray clouds organic claims *Another Soil Association CON?
On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 09:45:28 +0100, Geoff
wrote: It would seem the Soil Association are rapidly losing credibility after their recent exposure that they support organic aquaculture standards http://tinyurl.com/y3pfh3 It would seem they also think it's OK to spray our spuds with copper! http://tinyurl.com/y6l9sv Blight spray clouds organic claims By Martin Cassidy BBC Northern Ireland's rural affairs correspondent Questions have emerged about the marketing and labelling of organic food after BBC research found artificial chemicals are being used to control potato blight. Confirmation that copper oxychloride is being used to control the fungal disease has come from the Soil Association. The association promotes organic farming as being free of artificial chemicals and has admitted that the copper-based blight sprays represent an "achilles heel". Consumers assume sprays are not used Organic farmers are also now asking questions about the sprays which the Soil Association says are used as a last resort, but which potato growers say they rely on to produce their crops. Tom Gilbert, who runs Ballylaggan organic farm in County Antrim, questions whether organic potato production should even be attempted in the British isles because of a climate which almost invariably results in blight infection. He said: "If you have to spray things to make them succeed, it's not really what the organic ideal is about. I do it with a heavy heart spraying them because I don't really approve of it." 'Under review' Mr Gilbert, who sells directly from his farm shop, makes a point of telling customers how the produce is grown but down on the high street shoppers seem confused. "I just assumed that things like that were not used on organic farms," said one. The BBC's investigation has also found other evidence of disquiet within the organic sector. The Soil Association has confirmed that the use of the greenish blue powder-based sprays is now limited to eight kilos per hectare - equivalent to three applications during the growing of a potato crop. With shoppers paying as much as £3 for a small bag of spuds, they may now be asking what exactly does the organic label stand for An inquiry to the association's technical department has revealed that while copper-based blight sprays are permitted for the time being, the chemicals are now "under review". All this may leave consumers wondering if there is any evidence of copper residues in potatoes that reach the shops. The results of the BBC's research though, are reassuring from a food safety point of view. The investigation did not highlight any health concerns. What is now under the microscope is the definition of organic. The Soil Association's claim that organically grown crops do not require artificial chemicals seems somewhat blighted and seems to run counter to what is happening down on the farm. With shoppers paying as much as £3 for a small bag of potatoes, they may now be asking what exactly does the organic label stand for. also see http://tinyurl.com/wxlya It certainly seems as though the standards we thought we were buying in to, are not quite the standards they would have us believe! An example straight from the horses mouth. *********************************** http://tinyurl.com/y4wjfp Pest and weed control Organic farmers use natural systems to prevent pest or disease problems becoming serious. A range of practices prevents them from having to resort to pesticides. The main methods of pest control are; crop rotations, encouraging natural predators, providing conditions that encourage plant health and vitality, selecting suitable varieties, alongside various planting techniques and mechanical weeding methods. Occasionally the system is unable to cope with a particular pest problem, this may be as a result of unusual weather conditions that particularly favour a certain pest or disease. If this happens there are some carefully selected pesticides that can be used. These have all been assessed for their impact on human health, the environment and wildlife. We do not allow the use of any herbicides, because the other practices should always be sufficient to deal with weed problems. Sulphur and copper could be used as a fungicide in an organic vineyard. Under the Soil Association's standards copper can only be used if the farmer has got permission from Soil Association Certification Ltd to do so, and even then no more than 8kg per hectare can be used per year. This maximum amount of copper is being further reduced to just 6kg per hectare per year at the beginning of 2006. Mildew diseases can be a problem for vines, these are kept at bay by allowing a good flow of air around the vine shoots. **************************************** That means in a 100h field almost 1 tonne could be dumped (.8)!!! I dread to think what *normal* farming allows per hectare, but 8kg is a terrifying thought! In some crops 25Kg/h is *normal*. That's 2.5tonnes per 100 acre crop!!! CRAZY! No wonder we're doomed. |
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Blight spray clouds organic claims *Another Soil Association CON?
In article , Geoff writes: | | All this may leave consumers wondering if there is any evidence of | copper residues in potatoes that reach the shops. And whether it is enough to give them their RDA of copper :-) Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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Blight spray clouds organic claims *Another Soil Association CON?
On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 09:45:28 +0100, Geoff
wrote: It would seem the Soil Association are rapidly losing credibility after their recent exposure that they support organic aquaculture standards http://tinyurl.com/y3pfh3 It would seem they also think it's OK to spray our spuds with copper! http://tinyurl.com/y6l9sv Blight spray clouds organic claims By Martin Cassidy BBC Northern Ireland's rural affairs correspondent Questions have emerged about the marketing and labelling of organic food after BBC research found artificial chemicals are being used to control potato blight. Confirmation that copper oxychloride is being used to control the fungal disease has come from the Soil Association. The association promotes organic farming as being free of artificial chemicals and has admitted that the copper-based blight sprays represent an "achilles heel". Consumers assume sprays are not used Organic farmers are also now asking questions about the sprays which the Soil Association says are used as a last resort, but which potato growers say they rely on to produce their crops. Tom Gilbert, who runs Ballylaggan organic farm in County Antrim, questions whether organic potato production should even be attempted in the British isles because of a climate which almost invariably results in blight infection. He said: "If you have to spray things to make them succeed, it's not really what the organic ideal is about. I do it with a heavy heart spraying them because I don't really approve of it." 'Under review' Mr Gilbert, who sells directly from his farm shop, makes a point of telling customers how the produce is grown but down on the high street shoppers seem confused. "I just assumed that things like that were not used on organic farms," said one. The BBC's investigation has also found other evidence of disquiet within the organic sector. The Soil Association has confirmed that the use of the greenish blue powder-based sprays is now limited to eight kilos per hectare - equivalent to three applications during the growing of a potato crop. With shoppers paying as much as £3 for a small bag of spuds, they may now be asking what exactly does the organic label stand for An inquiry to the association's technical department has revealed that while copper-based blight sprays are permitted for the time being, the chemicals are now "under review". All this may leave consumers wondering if there is any evidence of copper residues in potatoes that reach the shops. The results of the BBC's research though, are reassuring from a food safety point of view. The investigation did not highlight any health concerns. What is now under the microscope is the definition of organic. The Soil Association's claim that organically grown crops do not require artificial chemicals seems somewhat blighted and seems to run counter to what is happening down on the farm. With shoppers paying as much as £3 for a small bag of potatoes, they may now be asking what exactly does the organic label stand for. also see http://tinyurl.com/wxlya It certainly seems as though the standards we thought we were buying in to, are not quite the standards they would have us believe! Indeed! It seems so. Angus Macmillan www.roots-of-blood.org.uk www.killhunting.org www.con-servation.org.uk All truth passes through three stages: First, it is ridiculed; Second, it is violently opposed; and Third, it is accepted as self-evident. -- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860) |
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