I've been try8ing to identify the various honeysuckles in the garden,
and am OK on all but 2.

1) small leaved low bush with oval leaves with pointed ends, about 1cm
long, evergreen, inconspicuous flowers, seen in municipal plantings
everywhere, and not L nitida (which has round ends to the leaves.

2) evergreen climber, leaves about 1.5cm long, oval, abundant small pink
flowers in early summer, branches festooned with red berries in late
summer

Any ideas?
--
Kay

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I've been try8ing to identify the various honeysuckles in the garden,
and am OK on all but 2.

1) small leaved low bush with oval leaves with pointed ends, about 1cm
long, evergreen, inconspicuous flowers, seen in municipal plantings
everywhere, and not L nitida (which has round ends to the leaves.

2) evergreen climber, leaves about 1.5cm long, oval, abundant small pink
flowers in early summer, branches festooned with red berries in late
summer

Any ideas?
--
Kay

For the first, could probably be L. pileata which tends to be more
horizontal in its growth than L nitida with longer leaves which nearly
always look good and glossy whatever time of year. It occasionally has
purplish berries but I haven't seen these often on mine.

I don't know about the second 'm afraid.

Janet G

"K" wrote in message
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I've been try8ing to identify the various honeysuckles in the garden, and
am OK on all but 2.

1) small leaved low bush with oval leaves with pointed ends, about 1cm
long, evergreen, inconspicuous flowers, seen in municipal plantings
everywhere, and not L nitida (which has round ends to the leaves.

2) evergreen climber, leaves about 1.5cm long, oval, abundant small pink
flowers in early summer, branches festooned with red berries in late
summer
Any ideas?
Kay

Henryi has berries, but they are not exactly red.....
http://www.crocus.co.uk/findplant/re...&CategoryID=15

Might be this on e of these:
http://www.ct-botanical-society.org/...iceradioi.html
http://ipm.ppws.vt.edu/scott/weed_id/lonmo.htm
http://www.easttennesseewildflowers....ts&id=DSCN0063

Jenny

JennyC writes

"K" wrote in message
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I've been try8ing to identify the various honeysuckles in the garden, and
am OK on all but 2.

1) small leaved low bush with oval leaves with pointed ends, about 1cm
long, evergreen, inconspicuous flowers, seen in municipal plantings
everywhere, and not L nitida (which has round ends to the leaves.

2) evergreen climber, leaves about 1.5cm long, oval, abundant small pink
flowers in early summer, branches festooned with red berries in late
summer
Any ideas?
Kay

Henryi has berries, but they are not exactly red.....

The leaves are too small for henryi, which in any case has black
berries, and the berries are later in the year. (I have henryii, and it
has berries atm)


--
Kay

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JennyC writes

"K" wrote in message
...
I've been try8ing to identify the various honeysuckles in the garden,
and
am OK on all but 2.

1) small leaved low bush with oval leaves with pointed ends, about 1cm
long, evergreen, inconspicuous flowers, seen in municipal plantings
everywhere, and not L nitida (which has round ends to the leaves.

2) evergreen climber, leaves about 1.5cm long, oval, abundant small
pink
flowers in early summer, branches festooned with red berries in late
summer
Any ideas?
Kay

Henryi has berries, but they are not exactly red.....

The leaves are too small for henryi, which in any case has black
berries, and the berries are later in the year. (I have henryii, and it
has berries atm)


--
Kay

When you say climbing K, how strongly does it climb?
You now have me intrigued!

--
Charlie, gardening in Cornwall.
http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of National Plant Collections of Clematis viticella (cvs) and
Lapageria rosea

Charlie Pridham writes

"K" wrote in message
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The leaves are too small for henryi, which in any case has black
berries, and the berries are later in the year. (I have henryii, and it
has berries atm)


When you say climbing K, how strongly does it climb?
You now have me intrigued!

Not as strongly as I remembered! I fought my way through the jungle to
look at it close up, and it now looks like a sprawly shrub, about 8 ft
long and 30 inches wide, leaning at about 30 degrees from the vertical
across the other bushes. The main stem is about 1.5 inches thick and
bendy - not more than about a foot of straightness before it bends in
another direction. But the branches coming off it are straighter,
tending to hang down.

So I suppose I should look at the other shrubby Loniceras. The leaves
are slightly blue green, not hairy, up to 1.5cm long, no tendency to be
in joined pairs at the tip of the branches. Smaller than eg
fragrantissima, much smaller than henryii.

I purchased it many years ago as a Lonicera, but didn't keep a record of
what it was (I remember the names of plants up to the level of my
interest at the time - when I bought it, I was just becoming aware of
the range of Lonicera species, whereas now I'm curious to know *which*
species) so I suppose I do have to start considering whether it really
is Lonicera. Certainly nothing about it suggested it wasn't.

This is the first year in which it has berried well, and it really did
look pretty, until the birds got there!


--
Kay

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Charlie Pridham writes

"K" wrote in message
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The leaves are too small for henryi, which in any case has black
berries, and the berries are later in the year. (I have henryii, and it
has berries atm)


When you say climbing K, how strongly does it climb?
You now have me intrigued!

Not as strongly as I remembered! I fought my way through the jungle to
look at it close up, and it now looks like a sprawly shrub, about 8 ft
long and 30 inches wide, leaning at about 30 degrees from the vertical
across the other bushes. The main stem is about 1.5 inches thick and
bendy - not more than about a foot of straightness before it bends in
another direction. But the branches coming off it are straighter,
tending to hang down.

So I suppose I should look at the other shrubby Loniceras. The leaves
are slightly blue green, not hairy, up to 1.5cm long, no tendency to be
in joined pairs at the tip of the branches. Smaller than eg
fragrantissima, much smaller than henryii.

I purchased it many years ago as a Lonicera, but didn't keep a record of
what it was (I remember the names of plants up to the level of my
interest at the time - when I bought it, I was just becoming aware of
the range of Lonicera species, whereas now I'm curious to know *which*
species) so I suppose I do have to start considering whether it really
is Lonicera. Certainly nothing about it suggested it wasn't.

This is the first year in which it has berried well, and it really did
look pretty, until the birds got there!


--
Kay

have a look at Lonicera syringantha, its not a climber but a tall bendy
shrub, it is also not totally evergreen but keeps enough leaves here for it
to be thought one! It has clusters of highly scented pink flowers from April
to Juneish followed by clusters of orange red fruits (which go quite quickly
here as the birds like them)

--
Charlie, gardening in Cornwall.
http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of National Plant Collections of Clematis viticella (cvs) and
Lapageria rosea

"K" wrote in message
...
I've been try8ing to identify the various honeysuckles in the garden,
and am OK on all but 2.

1) small leaved low bush with oval leaves with pointed ends, about 1cm
long, evergreen, inconspicuous flowers, seen in municipal plantings
everywhere, and not L nitida (which has round ends to the leaves.

2) evergreen climber, leaves about 1.5cm long, oval, abundant small pink
flowers in early summer, branches festooned with red berries in late
summer

Any ideas?
--
Kay

1st one is probably pileata.
2nd one is tricky as most of the main evergreen group have black berries.
if foliage is blue grey then may be splendida, difficult to grow and hard to
get hold of. another possibility is implexa but I have not seen the berries.

--
Charlie, gardening in Cornwall.
http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of National Plant Collections of Clematis viticella (cvs) and
Lapageria rosea

Charlie Pridham wrote:
1) small leaved low bush with oval leaves with pointed ends, about 1cm
long, evergreen, inconspicuous flowers, seen in municipal plantings
everywhere, and not L nitida (which has round ends to the leaves.

2) evergreen climber, leaves about 1.5cm long, oval, abundant small pink
flowers in early summer, branches festooned with red berries in late
summer
1st one is probably pileata.
2nd one is tricky as most of the main evergreen group have black berries.
if foliage is blue grey then may be splendida, difficult to grow and hard to
get hold of. another possibility is implexa but I have not seen the berries.

The implexa has dark red flowers and again black berries. I'm wondering
if the 2nd has been mistaken with a cotonoaster. How 'small' are the
flowers, trumpets, with 3 or 6 or 9 petals, rose like flowers with 6
rounded petals?

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Charlie Pridham wrote:
1) small leaved low bush with oval leaves with pointed ends, about 1cm
long, evergreen, inconspicuous flowers, seen in municipal plantings
everywhere, and not L nitida (which has round ends to the leaves.

2) evergreen climber, leaves about 1.5cm long, oval, abundant small
pink
flowers in early summer, branches festooned with red berries in late
summer
1st one is probably pileata.
2nd one is tricky as most of the main evergreen group have black
berries.
if foliage is blue grey then may be splendida, difficult to grow and
hard to
get hold of. another possibility is implexa but I have not seen the
berries.

The implexa has dark red flowers and again black berries. I'm wondering
if the 2nd has been mistaken with a cotonoaster. How 'small' are the
flowers, trumpets, with 3 or 6 or 9 petals, rose like flowers with 6
rounded petals?

I can not see anyone mistaking a honeysuckle for anything else ! and I have
certainly never come across a climbing Cotoneaster.

Other thoughts are Lonicera x americana which has the right colour berries
(and is a hybrid of implexa) but this for me flowers all summer and autumn

In article ,
"Charlie Pridham" writes:
|
| I can not see anyone mistaking a honeysuckle for anything else ! and I have
| certainly never come across a climbing Cotoneaster.

I can, but not cotoneaster! There are quite a lot of hardy plants with
small honeysuckle-like trumpets, until you look closely, but almost all
are shrubby not climbing. There are lots of subtropical climbers that
could be confused, but most won't grow here and many have larger
flowers.

| Other thoughts are Lonicera x americana which has the right colour berries
| (and is a hybrid of implexa) but this for me flowers all summer and autumn

SMALL pink flowers?


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

Charlie Pridham wrote:
I can not see anyone mistaking a honeysuckle for anything else !

20% of our class last year couldn't identify the lonicera nitida
bagensen's gold and the lemon beauty one. For the later almost everyone
thought it was privet or buxus. Two thought it was cotonoeaster. Also
we don't know what the flowers look like. Little white flowers the OP
said? One should then ask which honeysuckle has little white flowers.

and I have
certainly never come across a climbing Cotoneaster.

I've got two - one trails down and up, following a fence, the other is
spread against a wall, as if climbing )

Out of 180 variety of honeysuckles, the vast majority are bush.

Other thoughts are Lonicera x americana which has the right colour berries
(and is a hybrid of implexa) but this for me flowers all summer and autumn

I'd say the fragrantissima then. A bush that climbs ;o)

La Puce writes

Charlie Pridham wrote:
I can not see anyone mistaking a honeysuckle for anything else !

20% of our class last year couldn't identify the lonicera nitida
bagensen's gold and the lemon beauty one.

Were they in flower at the time? Unless you have grown a plant yourself,
it can sometimes be difficult to identify on leaves.

Also
we don't know what the flowers look like. Little white flowers the OP
said?

No, I said pink. And in case you're wondering, it's not a jasmine
either.

and I have
certainly never come across a climbing Cotoneaster.

I've got two - one trails down and up, following a fence, the other is
spread against a wall, as if climbing )

Out of 180 variety of honeysuckles, the vast majority are bush.

Other thoughts are Lonicera x americana which has the right colour berries
(and is a hybrid of implexa) but this for me flowers all summer and autumn

Flowers are too small for that, too pink, and not as many in a cluster.
This is one of the ones that has flowers along the length of the stem,
rather than in a cluster at the end


I'd say the fragrantissima then. A bush that climbs ;o)

And has white flowers not pink.



I was assuming this would be something instantly recognisable, but since
it isn't, the best thing would be for me to come back in early summer
when the flowers are out. Many thanks to Janet and Charlie for the
pileata id.


--
Kay

La Puce writes

Charlie Pridham wrote:
1) small leaved low bush with oval leaves with pointed ends, about 1cm
long, evergreen, inconspicuous flowers, seen in municipal plantings
everywhere, and not L nitida (which has round ends to the leaves.

2) evergreen climber, leaves about 1.5cm long, oval, abundant small pink
flowers in early summer, branches festooned with red berries in late
summer
1st one is probably pileata.
2nd one is tricky as most of the main evergreen group have black berries.
if foliage is blue grey then may be splendida, difficult to grow and hard to
get hold of. another possibility is implexa but I have not seen the berries.

The implexa has dark red flowers and again black berries. I'm wondering
if the 2nd has been mistaken with a cotonoaster.

No, I have not got confused with cotoneaster. I can usually distinguish
between Rosaceae and Caprifoliaceae ;-)

1) I am not aware of any climbing cotoneaster
2) The berries are soft with an almost 'translucent' look, typical of
red Lonicera berries. They are not cotoneaster berries, which are
harder, with a thicker shiny skin.
3) Cotoneaster flowers are open, with separated petals and clearly
visible stamens While I have not looked closely at these flowers, they
were not out of character for Lonicera (it was sold to me as a Lonicera)

How 'small' are the
flowers, trumpets, with 3 or 6 or 9 petals, rose like flowers with 6
rounded petals?

Neither rose nor cotoneaster have 6 petals. They both have 5 petals,
which is typical for most (though not all) Rosaceae.
--
Kay

K wrote:

No, I have not got confused with cotoneaster. I can usually distinguish
between Rosaceae and Caprifoliaceae ;-)

HO sorry! I didn't realise it was you. I mean, my answer would have
been the same for someone else, but I know you )) Sorry.

I had suggested the cotonoaester because of the white flower, evergreen
and red berries )

Neither rose nor cotoneaster have 6 petals. They both have 5 petals,
which is typical for most (though not all) Rosaceae.

Yes, but what kind of petals your flowers have? From the flowers you
usually can find the plants.

The honeysuckle have two lipped flowers with 5 petals united into one.
The Japenese honeysuckle has black berries. The trumpet, sempervirens
and the wild one dioica grow like vines and they can be confused with
the japenese one, except that their leaves fuse together making a
double leaf, their berries are red to orange (mine flowers in spring
and has red berries but is not evergreen). Amur honeysuckle, maackii,
bella, morrowi and tatarica are shrubs for examples.

What about the Lonicera penclymenum?