Hello Some months ago, someone by the name of Tim Hills set up a forum
for pondkeepers. Unfortunately, for reasons not know, the forum disappeared.
I only have a small garden, and planting is now mainly pot based, plus a
pond. I know many keen gardeners also have ponds. Being in need of a pond
group, all I found was a group full of trolls. I have a friend who runs a
forum with several boards covering different interests. (
http://www.karlsforums.com/forums/ ) If I can find enough support, he is
prepared to initiate a pond forum. It is intended to be mainly for 'back
garden ponders' rather than more specialised/expensive set-ups. If anyone
here is interested, the link below will take you to my thread in KF
requesting the forum. You may if you like, join KF's and post a support
message.
http://www.karlsforums.com/forums/fo...lay.php?fid=23
Thank you for your time and bandwidth.
--
ßôyþëtë

BoyPete wrote:
Hello Some months ago, someone by the name of Tim Hills set up a forum
for pondkeepers. Unfortunately, for reasons not know, the forum disappeared.
I only have a small garden, and planting is now mainly pot based, plus a
pond. I know many keen gardeners also have ponds. Being in need of a pond
group, all I found was a group full of trolls. I have a friend who runs a
forum with several boards covering different interests. (
http://www.karlsforums.com/forums/ ) If I can find enough support, he is
prepared to initiate a pond forum. It is intended to be mainly for 'back
garden ponders' rather than more specialised/expensive set-ups. If anyone
here is interested, the link below will take you to my thread in KF
requesting the forum. You may if you like, join KF's and post a support
message.
http://www.karlsforums.com/forums/fo...lay.php?fid=23

It's not in the slightest bit off-topic! Gardens is what
uk.rec.gardening does, and that includes ponds by definition.

Not trying to rain on your parade, but I'd say sticking with an
established Usenet group was a better way to get discussions going than
starting a new and perhaps too specialised non-Usenet one which not may
people would know about. Most people, too, probably limit the number of
separate groups they read -- I know I couldn't handle any more than my
regular two plus a few occasionals.

My theory about rec.ponds, if that's the wrecked group you meant, was
that its user base was too small to swamp the trolls, and that was
because it was too specialised. We do get trolls and spam here in
u.r.g., but (touch wood!) the nuisance is usually easy to deal with if
you're using a conventional newsreader with a killfile. At present I'm
using Google groups, which is an archive not a newsreader, and so
doesn't killfile (just because I'm too lazy to sort out a problem
paying for the German server), and even with that I find it easy enough
to ignore the garbage.

--
Mike.

"Mike Lyle" wrote:

My theory about rec.ponds, if that's the wrecked group you meant, was
that its user base was too small to swamp the trolls, and that was
because it was too specialised.

My own theory is that at least one of the people wanting a moderated group
is also a person who cannot resist engaging the troll(s) and cross-posting
their ****ing matches across large numbers of inappropriate groups. AND
constantly morphing their name.

Rec.ponds remains quite useable for me, thanks to the wonderful folks from
Forte software.

I hope it isn't too far afield, but the trolls and loonies that
occasionally show up in URG are vastly more entertaining. I haven't had
the heart to admit that I actually eat the fish from my pond. Oops....


Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic
Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G

In message , BoyPete
writes
Hello Some months ago, someone by the name of Tim Hills set up a forum
for pondkeepers. Unfortunately, for reasons not know, the forum disappeared.
I only have a small garden, and planting is now mainly pot based, plus a
pond. I know many keen gardeners also have ponds. Being in need of a pond
group, all I found was a group full of trolls. I have a friend who runs a
forum with several boards covering different interests. (
http://www.karlsforums.com/forums/ ) If I can find enough support, he is
prepared to initiate a pond forum. It is intended to be mainly for 'back
garden ponders' rather than more specialised/expensive set-ups. If anyone
here is interested, the link below will take you to my thread in KF
requesting the forum. You may if you like, join KF's and post a support
message.
http://www.karlsforums.com/forums/fo...lay.php?fid=23
Thank you for your time and bandwidth.
Registered. Thanks.
--
June Hughes

Mike Lyle wrote:
BoyPete wrote:
It's not in the slightest bit off-topic! Gardens is what
uk.rec.gardening does, and that includes ponds by definition.

Thank you, my thoughts exactly.

Not trying to rain on your parade, but I'd say sticking with an
established Usenet group was a better way to get discussions going
than starting a new and perhaps too specialised non-Usenet one which
not may people would know about. Most people, too, probably limit the
number of separate groups they read -- I know I couldn't handle any
more than my regular two plus a few occasionals.

I understand what you're saying. But, rec.ponds is all but unuseable. Just
tonight, a new poster 'looked' and said he'd come back when the trouble
subsided......which it won't.


My theory about rec.ponds, if that's the wrecked group you meant, was
that its user base was too small to swamp the trolls, and that was
because it was too specialised.

I would disagree with 'specialised' I have a garden with a pond, I'm not a
Koi person who spends thousands of pounds on their setup. It is for people
like me, and I susoect several others here, that I want this forum created.

snipped

I also understand there is a limit to how many posting places one person can
cope with.....!!! lol
Thanks for your reply
--
ßôyþëtë

Gary Woods wrote:
"Mike Lyle" wrote:
I disagree with, but respect your reply. Thanks Gary
--
ßôyþëtë

June Hughes wrote:
In message , BoyPete
writes
Hello Some months ago, someone by the name of Tim Hills set up a
forum for pondkeepers. Unfortunately, for reasons not know, the
forum disappeared. I only have a small garden, and planting is now
mainly pot based, plus a pond. I know many keen gardeners also have
ponds. Being in need of a pond group, all I found was a group full
of trolls. I have a friend who runs a forum with several boards
covering different interests. ( http://www.karlsforums.com/forums/ )
If I can find enough support, he is prepared to initiate a pond
forum. It is intended to be mainly for 'back garden ponders' rather
than more specialised/expensive set-ups. If anyone here is
interested, the link below will take you to my thread in KF
requesting the forum. You may if you like, join KF's and post a
support message.
http://www.karlsforums.com/forums/fo...lay.php?fid=23
Thank you for your time and bandwidth.
Registered. Thanks.

Thank you
--
ßôyþëtë

"BoyPete" wrote:

Just
tonight, a new poster 'looked' and said he'd come back when the trouble
subsided..

That "new" poster set off my troll alarm instantly.
But that's just my opinion.
I may be wrong.


Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic
Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G

Gary Woods wrote:
"BoyPete" wrote:

Just
tonight, a new poster 'looked' and said he'd come back when the
trouble subsided..

That "new" poster set off my troll alarm instantly.
But that's just my opinion.
I may be wrong.


Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at
home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420'
elevation. NY WO G

Gary, I have no intention of muddying the pleasant waters of this group. My
reply to is valid, if you have a valid point to make. Apologies urglers
--
ßôyþëtë

BoyPete wrote:
Mike Lyle wrote:
[...]
My theory about rec.ponds, if that's the wrecked group you meant, was
that its user base was too small to swamp the trolls, and that was
because it was too specialised.

I would disagree with 'specialised' I have a garden with a pond, I'm not a
Koi person who spends thousands of pounds on their setup. It is for people
like me, and I susoect several others here, that I want this forum created.
[...]

Sorry, I wasn't clear. I didn't mean "for specialists", but simply "too
narrow in focus". I don't know how many UK gardeners who use newsgroups
also have ponds, but I'd guess that it was too small a number to
sustain a newsgroup. I don't know what the "critical mass" for a group
is, but an example which comes to mind is Iceland. I've recently
visited, and adored it; I also have interests in the language issues,
environmental questions, and wildlife; and as soon as I got home I
searched for newsgroups on Iceland. Nothing worth a moment's mousing.
That must simply be a question of numbers: Iceland has a pop. of about
280 thousand, and I suppose the real foreign devotees like me probably
number a few thousand at most. So a population of, let's guess, 300
thousand may not be enough to support an intelligent newsgroup. I know
my stats are highly suspect: there will be good ones in Icelandic, of
course; but they'll probably be based around the university or special
interest groups. How many UK gardeners are there? And how many of them
have even _heard_ of newsgroups, let alone want to join in? Divide that
by pond-owners, and you see where I'm going.

--
Mike.

"Gary Woods" wrote in message

I haven't had
the heart to admit that I actually eat the fish from my pond.
Oops....

What sort of fish are they?

"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote:

What sort of fish are they?

Large mouth bass (but hopefully, not the kind they make the ale from).


Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic
Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G

On 11/1/07 23:51, in article ,
"Gary Woods" wrote:

"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote:

What sort of fish are they?

Large mouth bass (but hopefully, not the kind they make the ale from).

Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic
Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G

Wouldn't fit in a pint glass. ;-)

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/

Sacha wrote:

Wouldn't fit in a pint glass. ;-)

Maybe so: Did the bit about the "Bass-O-Matic" make it across the pond?


Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic
Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G

On 12/1/07 00:10, in article ,
"Gary Woods" wrote:

Sacha wrote:

Wouldn't fit in a pint glass. ;-)

Maybe so: Did the bit about the "Bass-O-Matic" make it across the pond?

?? Having been brought up proper, I'm not really into swilling pints down
the pub like the blokes do, so I don't know. ;-) A dainty half pint of
bitter on a hot day, however...... Or are you talking about the singing
fish? ;-)


--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/