Anyone notice the root damage to the trees fallen in their area?

It seems to me that the way trees used to fall in the good old days was
with a ruck of soil upheaval with a root-ball of sorts.

I noticed a number of trees in council "tended" areas with the break
right at the foot of the bole. Is this something to do with the price
of weedkilling?

Or is it just my point of view about the muddy rings the chancers
working for council garden departments leave around the trunks of trees
that are supposed to be in their care, clouding my vision?

In article . com,
"Weatherlawyer" writes:

Anyone notice the root damage to the trees fallen in their area?

It seems to me that the way trees used to fall in the good old days was
with a ruck of soil upheaval with a root-ball of sorts.

I noticed a number of trees in council "tended" areas with the break
right at the foot of the bole. Is this something to do with the price
of weedkilling?

Sounds like a tree which had gone rotten, and should have been
spotted and removed as part of regular park maintenance, which
very likely isn't happening as much as it used to.

A year or so ago, several large trees around me were felled.
To my untrained eye, they looked fine, but once felled, it was
clear why. The trunks were probably 5' diameter, but there was
only about 5" of timber around the circumference, with all the
rest either rotten or hollow. Had one of those come down in
the gales, it would have done considerable damage.

Or is it just my point of view about the muddy rings the chancers
working for council garden departments leave around the trunks of trees
that are supposed to be in their care, clouding my vision?

?

--
Andrew Gabriel

Weatherlawyer wrote:
Anyone notice the root damage to the trees fallen in their area?
It seems to me that the way trees used to fall in the good old days was
with a ruck of soil upheaval with a root-ball of sorts.
I noticed a number of trees in council "tended" areas with the break
right at the foot of the bole. Is this something to do with the price
of weedkilling?

That is so interesting. We were talking about it last nite in the pub.
We've noticed so many trees, healthy looking, broken at the bole, like
snapped, revealing white healthy core. We indeed wondered why so many
trees had been damaged in this way. I have no idea if the weedkillers
(which I'm fighting my council about in my area) have something to do
with it but I'm going to look into this!

Or is it just my point of view about the muddy rings the chancers
working for council garden departments leave around the trunks of trees
that are supposed to be in their care, clouding my vision?

We live in a conservation area (my husband put the policy into effect
16 years ago). Since then, the council sends a couple of guys to walk
around and spray chemicals at the bottom of the walls all along the
pavements to kill weeds etc. These walls are people's properties. Two
years ago all my wall flowers, ferns and aubretia got killed. They even
started having a go at our ivy! I still don't know what or why they
spray and seem to only do this in leafy areas?! Are they pretending to
'do' something to keep our rates high?

Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article . com,
"Weatherlawyer" writes:
Anyone notice the root damage to the trees fallen in their area?

It seems to me that the way trees used to fall in the good old days was
with a ruck of soil upheaval with a root-ball of sorts.

I noticed a number of trees in council "tended" areas with the break
right at the foot of the bole. Is this something to do with the price
of weedkilling?

Sounds like a tree which had gone rotten, and should have been
spotted and removed as part of regular park maintenance, which
very likely isn't happening as much as it used to.

A year or so ago, several large trees around me were felled.
To my untrained eye, they looked fine, but once felled, it was
clear why. The trunks were probably 5' diameter, but there was
only about 5" of timber around the circumference, with all the
rest either rotten or hollow. Had one of those come down in
the gales, it would have done considerable damage.

Or is it just my point of view about the muddy rings the chancers
working for council garden departments leave around the trunks of trees
that are supposed to be in their care, clouding my vision?

?


The 75ft lime that fell over round here looks from the picture to have
snapped off at ground level with the inside completely rotten. I'd guess
we'd been protecting a dead tree for several years.
The fact that it fell on a sweet little cottage in a conservation area
is somewhat unfortunate

In message . com,
Weatherlawyer writes

Anyone notice the root damage to the trees fallen in their area?

It seems to me that the way trees used to fall in the good old days was
with a ruck of soil upheaval with a root-ball of sorts.

I noticed a number of trees in council "tended" areas with the break
right at the foot of the bole. Is this something to do with the price
of weedkilling?

No, it's one of Tony Bliar's new gov't initiatives

--
geoff

Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article . com,
"Weatherlawyer" writes:

Anyone notice the root damage to the trees fallen in their area?

It seems to me that the way trees used to fall in the good old days
was with a ruck of soil upheaval with a root-ball of sorts.

I noticed a number of trees in council "tended" areas with the break
right at the foot of the bole. Is this something to do with the price
of weedkilling?

Sounds like a tree which had gone rotten, and should have been
spotted and removed as part of regular park maintenance, which
very likely isn't happening as much as it used to.

A year or so ago, several large trees around me were felled.
To my untrained eye, they looked fine, but once felled, it was
clear why. The trunks were probably 5' diameter, but there was
only about 5" of timber around the circumference, with all the
rest either rotten or hollow. Had one of those come down in
the gales, it would have done considerable damage.

Or is it just my point of view about the muddy rings the chancers
working for council garden departments leave around the trunks of
trees that are supposed to be in their care, clouding my vision?

?

I atttended a talk about trees by Ted Green fairly recently. He is
particularly expert on veteran trees which are more numerous in the UK than
the rest of Europe.

After the 1987 storm there was one area in southern England where virtually
all of the trees had been destroyed apart from a few that had been marked
with a red cross. However these trees had not been saved by divine
intervention but much more by the fact that the trees were old and hollow
and well butressed on the outside. The trees had been marked as they were
thought to be unhealthy and were to be cut down but this experience showed
that hollow trees are in fact strong. In fact is very likely that in all
very old trees the heartwood will have rotted away.

Alan

La Puce wrote:
Weatherlawyer wrote:
Anyone notice the root damage to the trees fallen in their area?
It seems to me that the way trees used to fall in the good old days was
with a ruck of soil upheaval with a root-ball of sorts.
I noticed a number of trees in council "tended" areas with the break
right at the foot of the bole. Is this something to do with the price
of weedkilling?

That is so interesting. We were talking about it last nite in the pub.
We've noticed so many trees, healthy looking, broken at the bole, like
snapped, revealing white healthy core. We indeed wondered why so many
trees had been damaged in this way. I have no idea if the weedkillers
(which I'm fighting my council about in my area) have something to do
with it but I'm going to look into this!

Or is it just my point of view about the muddy rings the chancers
working for council garden departments leave around the trunks of trees
that are supposed to be in their care, clouding my vision?

We live in a conservation area (my husband put the policy into effect
16 years ago). Since then, the council sends a couple of guys to walk
around and spray chemicals at the bottom of the walls all along the
pavements to kill weeds etc. These walls are people's properties. Two
years ago all my wall flowers, ferns and aubretia got killed. They even
started having a go at our ivy! I still don't know what or why they
spray and seem to only do this in leafy areas?! Are they pretending to
'do' something to keep our rates high?

No it's jobs for unempoyables and punishments for people we can't
afford to put in gaol. For what it costs to do that poison walk, they
could be applying mulches from leaves and composted detritus the same
as good gardens do.

Only this is the 21st century and Britain doesn't have good gardens.
(Well the Prince of Wales might but he can afford the subsidies.)

Even those spinning whip toys can cause a great deal of harm to a tree.
In the hands of the stupid lead by the council officers of the calibre
we get these days and always have had, they are a license to destroy
with a death by a thousand cuts.

For my money I'd rather have the grass growing alongside nettles and
other weeds around the boles of council trees.

Weatherlawyer wrote:
Anyone notice the root damage to the trees fallen in their area?

It seems to me that the way trees used to fall in the good old days was
with a ruck of soil upheaval with a root-ball of sorts.

I noticed a number of trees in council "tended" areas with the break
right at the foot of the bole. Is this something to do with the price
of weedkilling?

Or is it just my point of view about the muddy rings the chancers
working for council garden departments leave around the trunks of trees
that are supposed to be in their care, clouding my vision?


As others have said, most council tree's are just left alone, with
minimal weedkilling slowly killing them, or as my local oaks suffer with
root crushing and suffocation due to dumping of spoil etc when people
extend their houses. No the council won't clear the crushing spoil, too
costly, but they won't maintain the trees either, just slap preservation
orders on them all...

Andrew Gabriel wrote:

Sounds like a tree which had gone rotten, and should have been
spotted and removed as part of regular park maintenance, which
very likely isn't happening as much as it used to.

Having had a number of shed limbs in the car park at work and trouble
overcomming our estates dept's inertia I went direct to Southampton City
Council and their tree people addmitted that most of the cities trees
hadn't been looked at for almost 30 years.
School and major road trees are now being looked at first, we were told
we might be lucky and they might look at the trees in 3-4 years, then a
big bit fell, with the threat of the HSE getting involved they had a
crew out the same day to take the rest of it down, the others however
will still have to wait those 3-4 years....

La Puce wrote:
Weatherlawyer wrote:
Anyone notice the root damage to the trees fallen in their area?
It seems to me that the way trees used to fall in the good old days was
with a ruck of soil upheaval with a root-ball of sorts.
I noticed a number of trees in council "tended" areas with the break
right at the foot of the bole. Is this something to do with the price
of weedkilling?

That is so interesting. We were talking about it last nite in the pub.
We've noticed so many trees, healthy looking, broken at the bole, like
snapped, revealing white healthy core. We indeed wondered why so many
trees had been damaged in this way. I have no idea if the weedkillers
(which I'm fighting my council about in my area) have something to do
with it but I'm going to look into this!

Or is it just my point of view about the muddy rings the chancers
working for council garden departments leave around the trunks of trees
that are supposed to be in their care, clouding my vision?

We live in a conservation area (my husband put the policy into effect
16 years ago). Since then, the council sends a couple of guys to walk
around and spray chemicals at the bottom of the walls all along the
pavements to kill weeds etc. These walls are people's properties. Two
years ago all my wall flowers, ferns and aubretia got killed. They even
started having a go at our ivy! I still don't know what or why they
spray and seem to only do this in leafy areas?! Are they pretending to
'do' something to keep our rates high?

I walked round our local woodland today, and loads of trees had snapped
at the lower part of the bole. Every one was already dead. Mostly fungal
attack.


I surmise taht without leaves, there is enough force to snap a rotten
tree when those around it are leafless..but in full leaf the healthy
trees can take bending almost to the ground, and are more likely to
uproot than snap. Certainly I saw ONE healthy ash tree that had been
snapped by another dead one falling against it..and even then with its
crown on the ground, it hadn't broken - half the lower trunk remained
bent at 90 degrees ...

badger.badger wrote:
Weatherlawyer wrote:
Anyone notice the root damage to the trees fallen in their area?

It seems to me that the way trees used to fall in the good old days was
with a ruck of soil upheaval with a root-ball of sorts.

I noticed a number of trees in council "tended" areas with the break
right at the foot of the bole. Is this something to do with the price
of weedkilling?

Or is it just my point of view about the muddy rings the chancers
working for council garden departments leave around the trunks of trees
that are supposed to be in their care, clouding my vision?


As others have said, most council tree's are just left alone, with
minimal weedkilling slowly killing them, or as my local oaks suffer with
root crushing and suffocation due to dumping of spoil etc when people
extend their houses. No the council won't clear the crushing spoil, too
costly, but they won't maintain the trees either, just slap preservation
orders on them all...

legislation is so much cheaper than actually addressing problems.

In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

I surmise taht without leaves, there is enough force to snap a
rotten tree when those around it are leafless..but in full leaf
the healthy trees can take bending almost to the ground, and are
more likely to uproot than snap. Certainly I saw ONE healthy ash
tree that had been snapped by another dead one falling against
it..and even then with its crown on the ground, it hadn't broken
- half the lower trunk remained bent at 90 degrees ...

Ivy is the problem in this parish. It gives wind
resistance to trees that would otherwise survive
high winds in winter.

--
Tony Williams.

In article , jane
writes

Now no mature trees in the back garden at all, just my tiny potted
acers. Sniff.

jane
jane

Chiltern Hills, 140m above sea level.

Well you do have the specialist mature tree nursery down the road Jane!
I mean tendercare, on the main road just past Gerrard's cross turnoff.
They have huge trees that could be put in if you wanted to replace one
of yours.

janet

--
Janet Tweedy
Dalmatian Telegraph
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk

In message , badger.badger
writes

As others have said, most council tree's are just left alone, with
minimal weedkilling slowly killing them,

Is this known for a fact, or just conjecture ?


Cheers, J/.
--
John Beardmore