"June Hughes" wrote in message
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In message ews.net, Sue
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Carol K is a brilliant gardening presenter, whether she's talking about
veg, or planting perennials for a flower garden. She never claimed to be
a beginner at growing vegetables - if people had been paying attention
they'd have seen she'd had lots of experience 'growning her own' many
years ago, but as J says, for the last two decades has concentrated on
her nursery business, shows etc.

I have seen a couple of the programmes and tend to agree with you. She
doesn't talk down to you, which means people who have very little
knowledge of gardening are more likely to listen to her.


I agree also. There is a difficult area between dumbing down to the point
where gardeners would be turning off, and "dumbing up" to the point where
novices/first timers would be lost. As an attempt at treading the middle
ground it's not so bad.

She might comb her hair though :-))

Steve

talking point?

Yes, Carol Klein is apparently a very experienced and knowledgeable
plantswoman and grower. No doubt she and her family would be very pleasant
neighbours.

However, a good TV presenter she not - at least in this context.

A good presenter needs far more than the ability to sound enthusiastic and
'not talk down to their audience'. They need to entertain, inform and
maintain viewer interest.

In this series, she fails in every respect.

The BBC have been unsuccessful with Grow Your Own Veg because they have
attempted to appeal to too wide an audience. Of course this has, to an
extent, compromised Carol in the way she can lead the programmes. Many other
gardening presenters, I suspect, would not have taken it on.

Keith











"shazzbat" wrote in message
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"June Hughes" wrote in message
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In message ews.net,
Sue writes


Carol K is a brilliant gardening presenter, whether she's talking about
veg, or planting perennials for a flower garden. She never claimed to be
a beginner at growing vegetables - if people had been paying attention
they'd have seen she'd had lots of experience 'growning her own' many
years ago, but as J says, for the last two decades has concentrated on
her nursery business, shows etc.

I have seen a couple of the programmes and tend to agree with you. She
doesn't talk down to you, which means people who have very little
knowledge of gardening are more likely to listen to her.


I agree also. There is a difficult area between dumbing down to the point
where gardeners would be turning off, and "dumbing up" to the point where
novices/first timers would be lost. As an attempt at treading the middle
ground it's not so bad.

She might comb her hair though :-))

Steve

"Keith (Dorset)" wrote
talking point?

Yes, Carol Klein is apparently a very experienced and knowledgeable
plantswoman and grower. No doubt she and her family would be very
pleasant neighbours.

However, a good TV presenter she not - at least in this context.

A good presenter needs far more than the ability to sound enthusiastic
and 'not talk down to their audience'. They need to entertain, inform
and maintain viewer interest.

In this series, she fails in every respect.

On the contrary. As a viewer with a little gardening knowledge but with
lots to learn, especially as regards vegetable growing, I've found the
series entertaining, informative and it's more tha held my interest
throughout. So even if only using your terms of reference it's a success
afaic!

--
Sue

In article , "Keith (Dorset)"
writes
talking point?

Yes, Carol Klein is apparently a very experienced and knowledgeable
plantswoman and grower. No doubt she and her family would be very pleasant
neighbours.

However, a good TV presenter she not - at least in this context.

A good presenter needs far more than the ability to sound enthusiastic and
'not talk down to their audience'. They need to entertain, inform and
maintain viewer interest.

In this series, she fails in every respect.

The BBC have been unsuccessful with Grow Your Own Veg because they have
attempted to appeal to too wide an audience. Of course this has, to an
extent, compromised Carol in the way she can lead the programmes. Many other
gardening presenters, I suspect, would not have taken it on.

Keith



Is anyone else old enough to remember the great Geoffrey Smith and his
"Mr smith's vegetable garden"?
He had a very "down to your level" friendly approach but showed an
immense amount of information and technique and clearly loved all things
botanical !

--
Janet Tweedy
Dalmatian Telegraph
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk

In article , Janet Tweedy
wrote:

In article , "Keith (Dorset)"
writes
talking point?

Yes, Carol Klein is apparently a very experienced and knowledgeable
plantswoman and grower. No doubt she and her family would be very pleasant
neighbours.

However, a good TV presenter she not - at least in this context.

A good presenter needs far more than the ability to sound enthusiastic and
'not talk down to their audience'. They need to entertain, inform and
maintain viewer interest.

In this series, she fails in every respect.

The BBC have been unsuccessful with Grow Your Own Veg because they have
attempted to appeal to too wide an audience. Of course this has, to an
extent, compromised Carol in the way she can lead the programmes. Many other
gardening presenters, I suspect, would not have taken it on.

Keith



Is anyone else old enough to remember the great Geoffrey Smith and his
"Mr smith's vegetable garden"?
He had a very "down to your level" friendly approach but showed an
immense amount of information and technique and clearly loved all things
botanical !

Not that old! You're talking early 80s. When Gardeners' World
presenters had to talk to camera for up to 15 minutes in one continuous
take.

In message , shazzbat
writes

"June Hughes" wrote in message
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In message ews.net, Sue
writes


Carol K is a brilliant gardening presenter, whether she's talking about
veg, or planting perennials for a flower garden. She never claimed to be
a beginner at growing vegetables - if people had been paying attention
they'd have seen she'd had lots of experience 'growning her own' many
years ago, but as J says, for the last two decades has concentrated on
her nursery business, shows etc.

I have seen a couple of the programmes and tend to agree with you. She
doesn't talk down to you, which means people who have very little
knowledge of gardening are more likely to listen to her.


I agree also. There is a difficult area between dumbing down to the point
where gardeners would be turning off, and "dumbing up" to the point where
novices/first timers would be lost. As an attempt at treading the middle
ground it's not so bad.

She might comb her hair though :-))

I think she has a problem with her hair that is insurmountable (I have
the same, so know what it is like
--
June Hughes

"June Hughes" wrote in message
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In message , shazzbat
writes

"June Hughes" wrote in message
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In message
ews.net, Sue
writes
[...]
I agree also. There is a difficult area between dumbing down to the
point
where gardeners would be turning off, and "dumbing up" to the point
where
novices/first timers would be lost. As an attempt at treading the
middle
ground it's not so bad.

She might comb her hair though :-))

I think she has a problem with her hair that is insurmountable (I have
the same, so know what it is like

Regardless of the content, the dishevelled look is refreshing in a media
world where real women have so often been pressured to try and look like
kids.

--
Mike.



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