In message , BoyPete
writes
Sacha wrote:
On 24/2/07 21:55, in article ,
"BoyPete" wrote:

snip

The problem is Common names common to where? In UK they change from
county to county or even parish to parish so it's not helpful.
If the Latin names are used, they're recognised all over the world.
That's why they're used - for plantspeople and gardeners, it's the
universal language. I think it might be helpful to you to look at
the Latin names and then check out the common names which will be
entirely different in every corner of the planet.
To take one wild plant alone, I've seen it named here as 'goose
grass', 'sticky willie' and 'cleavers', depending on the region the
poster comes from. Latin names are unequivocal if you're talking to
someone in Berkshire or Bareclona.

Yes, I understand that now. Still, it's very off-putting to the likes of me
to see all that Latin in a post, and I tend to skip them.....possibly
missing some useful info.

Botanical names are no harder, in principle, to cope with than
vernacular names. All you have to do is not let them intimidate you.
--
Stewart Robert Hinsley

On 25/2/07 10:03, in article lid, "Stewart Robert
Hinsley" wrote:

In message , BoyPete
writes
snip
Yes, I understand that now. Still, it's very off-putting to the likes of me
to see all that Latin in a post, and I tend to skip them.....possibly
missing some useful info.

Botanical names are no harder, in principle, to cope with than
vernacular names. All you have to do is not let them intimidate you.

I'm guessing that for some people it's to do with pronunciation, too. But
if you break it down into chewable syllables, it's much easier. And as to
the *correct* way to pronounce things I wouldn't even begin to consider that
as off putting because there seem to be as many variations in that field as
there are plants to learn about. It's the old CLEMatis opposed to CleMAYtis
thing and doesn't matter a jot, IMO, except as a bit of fun to argue about.
;-)

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/
(remove weeds from address)

"Sacha" wrote in message
. uk...
On 25/2/07 10:03, in article lid, "Stewart
Robert
Hinsley" wrote:

In message , BoyPete
writes
snip
Yes, I understand that now. Still, it's very off-putting to the likes of
me
to see all that Latin in a post, and I tend to skip them.....possibly
missing some useful info.

Botanical names are no harder, in principle, to cope with than
vernacular names. All you have to do is not let them intimidate you.

I'm guessing that for some people it's to do with pronunciation, too. But
if you break it down into chewable syllables, it's much easier. And as to
the *correct* way to pronounce things I wouldn't even begin to consider
that
as off putting because there seem to be as many variations in that field
as
there are plants to learn about. It's the old CLEMatis opposed to
CleMAYtis
thing and doesn't matter a jot, IMO, except as a bit of fun to argue
about.
;-)

A bit like the presant pronunsiation of Beaconsfield, which is a place where
they had a beacon, but the 'posh' people call it beckons-field as in someone
trying to get your attention, but I always refer to it as a place where
there was a beacon!

Alan



--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/
(remove weeds from address)

On 25/2/07 15:38, in article ,
"Alan Holmes" wrote:


"Sacha" wrote in message
. uk...
On 25/2/07 10:03, in article lid, "Stewart
Robert
Hinsley" wrote:

In message , BoyPete
writes
snip
Yes, I understand that now. Still, it's very off-putting to the likes of
me
to see all that Latin in a post, and I tend to skip them.....possibly
missing some useful info.

Botanical names are no harder, in principle, to cope with than
vernacular names. All you have to do is not let them intimidate you.

I'm guessing that for some people it's to do with pronunciation, too. But
if you break it down into chewable syllables, it's much easier. And as to
the *correct* way to pronounce things I wouldn't even begin to consider
that
as off putting because there seem to be as many variations in that field
as
there are plants to learn about. It's the old CLEMatis opposed to
CleMAYtis
thing and doesn't matter a jot, IMO, except as a bit of fun to argue
about.
;-)

A bit like the presant pronunsiation of Beaconsfield, which is a place where
they had a beacon, but the 'posh' people call it beckons-field as in someone
trying to get your attention, but I always refer to it as a place where
there was a beacon!

Ray, who is an Essex man, says much the same about people pronouncing
Theydon Bois with 'bois' as in French, whereas the locals calls it Theydon
Boys!
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/
(remove weeds from address)

"Sacha" wrote in message
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On 25/2/07 15:38, in article ,
"Alan Holmes" wrote:


"Sacha" wrote in message
. uk...
On 25/2/07 10:03, in article lid, "Stewart
Robert
Hinsley" wrote:

In message , BoyPete
writes
snip
Yes, I understand that now. Still, it's very off-putting to the likes
of
me
to see all that Latin in a post, and I tend to skip them.....possibly
missing some useful info.

Botanical names are no harder, in principle, to cope with than
vernacular names. All you have to do is not let them intimidate you.

I'm guessing that for some people it's to do with pronunciation, too.
But
if you break it down into chewable syllables, it's much easier. And as
to
the *correct* way to pronounce things I wouldn't even begin to consider
that
as off putting because there seem to be as many variations in that field
as
there are plants to learn about. It's the old CLEMatis opposed to
CleMAYtis
thing and doesn't matter a jot, IMO, except as a bit of fun to argue
about.
;-)

A bit like the presant pronunsiation of Beaconsfield, which is a place
where
they had a beacon, but the 'posh' people call it beckons-field as in
someone
trying to get your attention, but I always refer to it as a place where
there was a beacon!

Ray, who is an Essex man, says much the same about people pronouncing
Theydon Bois with 'bois' as in French, whereas the locals calls it Theydon
Boys!
--
It amuses me the way the toffs pronounce Aldeburgh. The locals pronounce it
"Ollbruh".
Regarding the latin botanical names, you should hear some of the distortions
in pronunciation that USian academics come up with. I've been to science
conferences where the USians distort one way, the Brits another and the
Europeans yet another (the latter being close to correct, of course).
Graham

"Sacha" wrote in message
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On 25/2/07 15:38, in article ,
"Alan Holmes" wrote:


"Sacha" wrote in message
. uk...
On 25/2/07 10:03, in article lid, "Stewart
Robert
Hinsley" wrote:

In message , BoyPete
writes
snip
Yes, I understand that now. Still, it's very off-putting to the likes
of
me
to see all that Latin in a post, and I tend to skip them.....possibly
missing some useful info.

Botanical names are no harder, in principle, to cope with than
vernacular names. All you have to do is not let them intimidate you.

I'm guessing that for some people it's to do with pronunciation, too.
But
if you break it down into chewable syllables, it's much easier. And as
to
the *correct* way to pronounce things I wouldn't even begin to consider
that
as off putting because there seem to be as many variations in that field
as
there are plants to learn about. It's the old CLEMatis opposed to
CleMAYtis
thing and doesn't matter a jot, IMO, except as a bit of fun to argue
about.
;-)

A bit like the presant pronunsiation of Beaconsfield, which is a place
where
they had a beacon, but the 'posh' people call it beckons-field as in
someone
trying to get your attention, but I always refer to it as a place where
there was a beacon!

Ray, who is an Essex man, says much the same about people pronouncing
Theydon Bois with 'bois' as in French, whereas the locals calls it Theydon
Boys!
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/
(remove weeds from address)

That proves my theory that Essex boys are just as misguided as Essex
girls:-)

In message , Sacha
writes
On 25/2/07 15:38, in article ,
"Alan Holmes" wrote:


"Sacha" wrote in message
. uk...
On 25/2/07 10:03, in article lid, "Stewart
Robert
Hinsley" wrote:

In message , BoyPete
writes
snip
Yes, I understand that now. Still, it's very off-putting to the likes of
me
to see all that Latin in a post, and I tend to skip them.....possibly
missing some useful info.

Botanical names are no harder, in principle, to cope with than
vernacular names. All you have to do is not let them intimidate you.

I'm guessing that for some people it's to do with pronunciation, too. But
if you break it down into chewable syllables, it's much easier. And as to
the *correct* way to pronounce things I wouldn't even begin to consider
that
as off putting because there seem to be as many variations in that field
as
there are plants to learn about. It's the old CLEMatis opposed to
CleMAYtis
thing and doesn't matter a jot, IMO, except as a bit of fun to argue
about.
;-)

A bit like the presant pronunsiation of Beaconsfield, which is a place where
they had a beacon, but the 'posh' people call it beckons-field as in someone
trying to get your attention, but I always refer to it as a place where
there was a beacon!

Ray, who is an Essex man, says much the same about people pronouncing
Theydon Bois with 'bois' as in French, whereas the locals calls it Theydon
Boys!
Having lived near there, I can endorse that. However, I have never
heard anyone refer to it as Theydon Bois (as in French).
--
June Hughes

In article , Sacha
writes

A bit like the presant pronunsiation of Beaconsfield, which is a place where
they had a beacon, but the 'posh' people call it beckons-field as in someone
trying to get your attention, but I always refer to it as a place where
there was a beacon!

Ray, who is an Essex man, says much the same about people pronouncing
Theydon Bois with 'bois' as in French, whereas the locals calls it Theydon
Boys!


Living near 'Bekonsfield' I gave up years ago saying it as though a
beacon
We also have Chesham Bois and as Sacha says everyone pronounces it Boys!
However there's going to be a Time team programme on Bois House in the
next month and maybe we'll learn what we should call it from that!
--
Janet Tweedy
Dalmatian Telegraph
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk

On 28/2/07 11:29, in article , "Janet Tweedy"
wrote:

In article , Sacha
writes

A bit like the presant pronunsiation of Beaconsfield, which is a place where
they had a beacon, but the 'posh' people call it beckons-field as in someone
trying to get your attention, but I always refer to it as a place where
there was a beacon!

Ray, who is an Essex man, says much the same about people pronouncing
Theydon Bois with 'bois' as in French, whereas the locals calls it Theydon
Boys!


Living near 'Bekonsfield' I gave up years ago saying it as though a
beacon
We also have Chesham Bois and as Sacha says everyone pronounces it Boys!
However there's going to be a Time team programme on Bois House in the
next month and maybe we'll learn what we should call it from that!

I think there's no doubt it was once pronounced in the French fashion but,
like many place names and surnames has become anglicised over time. I
nearly said *******ised but... ;-) I committed a huge social solecism by
pronouncing Belvoir Castle in the French fashion to someone associated with
the place - coming from the CIs how was I to know it's pronounced Beevor?!
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/
(remove weeds from address)

On 28/2/07 18:14, in article ,
"Martin" wrote:

On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 14:11:55 +0000, Sacha
wrote:

On 28/2/07 11:29, in article , "Janet Tweedy"
wrote:
snip


Living near 'Bekonsfield' I gave up years ago saying it as though a
beacon
We also have Chesham Bois and as Sacha says everyone pronounces it Boys!
However there's going to be a Time team programme on Bois House in the
next month and maybe we'll learn what we should call it from that!

I think there's no doubt it was once pronounced in the French fashion but,
like many place names and surnames has become anglicised over time. I
nearly said *******ised but... ;-) I committed a huge social solecism by
pronouncing Belvoir Castle in the French fashion to someone associated with
the place - coming from the CIs how was I to know it's pronounced Beevor?!

Similar problem with Beaulieu.

Oh YES. I'd forgotten that one.

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/
(remove weeds from address)

Janet Tweedy wrote:

Living near 'Bekonsfield' I gave up years ago saying it as though a
beacon
We also have Chesham Bois and as Sacha says everyone pronounces it Boys!
However there's going to be a Time team programme on Bois House in the
next month and maybe we'll learn what we should call it from that!

Depending upon who you talk to, St Austell in Cornwall, is Snozzle,
Sun-Ozzle or Sane-Ossle. I play safe and say "Sun-Ostel" and it's
never caused a raised eyebrow. Likewise Launceston, which seems to
divide its time between being Laansten and Lawnston. Not being
related to or well-acquainted with Denzil Penworthy, I'm never quite
sure what to say.

There's a bit of a division here in Devon as well. Totnes is
variously Totnus (said quickly with no emphasis) or more commonly Tot-
Ness. I'm assured by a pal who is from an old Tonesian family that
Totnus is used by true local and that Tot-Ness is used by outsiders.

In article .com,
"Dave Poole" writes:
|
| Depending upon who you talk to, St Austell in Cornwall, is Snozzle,
| Sun-Ozzle or Sane-Ossle. I play safe and say "Sun-Ostel" and it's
| never caused a raised eyebrow. Likewise Launceston, which seems to
| divide its time between being Laansten and Lawnston. Not being
| related to or well-acquainted with Denzil Penworthy, I'm never quite
| sure what to say.

I used to use Sen-(t)Ossle, with the 't' very soft indeed, but that was
a LONG time back. And, of course, Mowzell for Mousehole.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

On 28/2/07 14:19, in article
, "Dave Poole"
wrote:

Janet Tweedy wrote:

Living near 'Bekonsfield' I gave up years ago saying it as though a
beacon
We also have Chesham Bois and as Sacha says everyone pronounces it Boys!
However there's going to be a Time team programme on Bois House in the
next month and maybe we'll learn what we should call it from that!

Depending upon who you talk to, St Austell in Cornwall, is Snozzle,
Sun-Ozzle or Sane-Ossle. I play safe and say "Sun-Ostel" and it's
never caused a raised eyebrow. Likewise Launceston, which seems to
divide its time between being Laansten and Lawnston. Not being
related to or well-acquainted with Denzil Penworthy, I'm never quite
sure what to say.

There's a bit of a division here in Devon as well. Totnes is
variously Totnus (said quickly with no emphasis) or more commonly Tot-
Ness. I'm assured by a pal who is from an old Tonesian family that
Totnus is used by true local and that Tot-Ness is used by outsiders.

And then there's Dittisham (Ditsum) and Topsham (Topsum).

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/
(remove weeds from address)

In message .com, Dave
Poole writes
Janet Tweedy wrote:

Living near 'Bekonsfield' I gave up years ago saying it as though a
beacon
We also have Chesham Bois and as Sacha says everyone pronounces it Boys!
However there's going to be a Time team programme on Bois House in the
next month and maybe we'll learn what we should call it from that!

Depending upon who you talk to, St Austell in Cornwall, is Snozzle,
Sun-Ozzle or Sane-Ossle. I play safe and say "Sun-Ostel" and it's
never caused a raised eyebrow. Likewise Launceston, which seems to
divide its time between being Laansten and Lawnston. Not being
related to or well-acquainted with Denzil Penworthy, I'm never quite
sure what to say.

There's a bit of a division here in Devon as well. Totnes is
variously Totnus (said quickly with no emphasis) or more commonly Tot-
Ness. I'm assured by a pal who is from an old Tonesian family that
Totnus is used by true local and that Tot-Ness is used by outsiders.

Similarly, Wymondham in Norfolk is Windham and Wymondham in Leics is
Wy-mond-ham..
--
June Hughes

"Janet Tweedy" wrote in message
...
In article , Sacha
writes

A bit like the presant pronunsiation of Beaconsfield, which is a place
where
they had a beacon, but the 'posh' people call it beckons-field as in
someone
trying to get your attention, but I always refer to it as a place where
there was a beacon!

Ray, who is an Essex man, says much the same about people pronouncing
Theydon Bois with 'bois' as in French, whereas the locals calls it Theydon
Boys!


Living near 'Bekonsfield' I gave up years ago saying it as though a beacon


I still do, nut then I'm an awkward beggar, I shall never, ever call the
place anything but beacons-field!(:-)

We also have Chesham Bois and as Sacha says everyone pronounces it Boys!

I do that too!

However there's going to be a Time team programme on Bois House in the
next month and maybe we'll learn what we should call it from that!

Let us know the result.

Alan