On 7/4/07 09:41, in article , "David
Rance" wrote:

On Sat, 7 Apr 2007 Sacha wrote:

Jean Louis Charmolue knows wine, has
made it his whole life and career and is absolutely passionate on the
subject. He's spent years NOT growing wine on biodynamic principles at
Chateau Montrose and presumably if he's moved bought Chateau Romanin, he has
done so because it's successful and he likes/approves of the way in which it
is grown. It's delicious wine, too! We found it quite by accident when we
had lunch at a restaurant in the Camargue several years ago and then we went
to buy some at the chateau. I haven't seen the Charmolues for years (their
daughter and I used each to be married to two brothers) and didn't realise
they'd taken over Romanin at or around the time we were there. I had a great
surprise when I read a bit more about it a while ago and discovered they'd
bought it.

Their web site is extremely difficult to read. It has the smallest print
of any web site I've encountered! Pity!

David

Why don' you email them? I think people appreciate input like that.

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David Rance wrote:
http://www.romanin.com/pages/biodynamie.php?lang=en

Their web site is extremely difficult to read. It has the smallest
print of any web site I've encountered! Pity!



Hold Ctrl down and roll your mouse wheel away from you = instant zoom (at
least on Windows PC's)

Tom

On Apr 7, 9:20 am, "Norman Digger" wrote:
I'm sure planting by the phase of the moon would be more successful if it
was done at midnight with some naked virgins dancing around the garden.

Norman Digger.

That's not fair Norman, what about nubile young men?

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On Apr 7, 9:20 am, "Norman Digger" wrote:
I'm sure planting by the phase of the moon would be more successful if it
was done at midnight with some naked virgins dancing around the garden.

Norman Digger.

That's not fair Norman, what about nubile young men?


You called?

Mike


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On Sat, 7 Apr 2007 Tom wrote:

http://www.romanin.com/pages/biodynamie.php?lang=en

Their web site is extremely difficult to read. It has the smallest
print of any web site I've encountered! Pity!

Hold Ctrl down and roll your mouse wheel away from you = instant zoom (at
least on Windows PC's)

Good tip - but fiddly!

David

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On Apr 7, 9:20 am, "Norman Digger" wrote:
I'm sure planting by the phase of the moon would be more successful if it
was done at midnight with some naked virgins dancing around the garden.

Norman Digger.

That's not fair Norman, what about nubile young men?


Actually, I didn't specify a gender.

It would certainly add new meaning to the word "mooning"!

Norman Digger.

On Apr 7, 9:20 am, "Norman Digger" wrote:
I'm sure planting by the phase of the moon would be more successful if it
was done at midnight with some naked virgins dancing around the garden.

I am sure that the planting would be done when the dancing was
finished, but I think the garden would be neglected
David Hill
Abacus Nurseries

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On Apr 7, 9:20 am, "Norman Digger" wrote:
I'm sure planting by the phase of the moon would be more successful if it
was done at midnight with some naked virgins dancing around the garden.

Norman Digger.

That's not fair Norman, what about nubile young men?

Ok, ok, you have the nubile young men if I can have the naked virgins,
although one at a time would do me!(:-)

Alan

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On 7/4/07 06:03, in article XCFRh.38387$aG1.7470@pd7urf3no, "graham"
Yes, I know. I have some. I wish I could afford some of the 2005
vintage
but it probably won't be ready to drink in my lifetime:-((

I'd love to lay some down but it would more likely be for my grandchildren
than me.

They're business people, not
fools.

There are scads of business people who believe in astrology, crystals,
angel
therapy and such tosh. That makes them fools.

I can't say I believe in those things myself but I think to call them
'fools' just because *you* say so, strikes me as arrogant in the extreme.


Ii's not at all arrogant!! It is just the expression of the sentiments held
by rational people.


Reading the last December
edition of Decanter on biodynamism, I realised that despite all the
advances
in science and education, there are still people who believe in pagan
practices that one might expect to find in primitive tribal societies.
The
correspondence that ensued only confirmed that. Remember, I'm not
laughing
or scratching my head in amazement at *organic* viticulture, just the
metaphysical garbage that biodynamicists have attached to it.

I realise that but man has been growing fruit and vegetables on these
principles for centuries and at the very least, probably doing less harm
to
the land than those hurrying things along with past heavy and frequent
applications of fertilisers.

But that's organic farming. There's nothing wrong with that!
Biodynamicists take that and add an unnecessary measure of mumbo-jumbo.


They have experience of doing this for several years. Do you?

Absolutely irrelevant!!!
--
Graham

Of course it's not irrelevant.

Of course it is!!!

By all means be sceptical but to be quite so
absolute about it isn't appropriate. Jean Louis Charmolue knows wine, has
made it his whole life and career and is absolutely passionate on the
subject. He's spent years NOT growing wine on biodynamic principles at
Chateau Montrose and presumably if he's moved bought Chateau Romanin, he
has
done so because it's successful and he likes/approves of the way in which
it
is grown.

He would be equally successful with just the organic bit. Filling cow's
horns with horse manure and burying them for a while followed by diluting
them, stirring them one way, then the other before applying the potion is
the stuff of witchdoctors.


It's delicious wine, too!
I would expect that with his pedigree.

We found it quite by accident when we
had lunch at a restaurant in the Camargue several years ago and then we
went
to buy some at the chateau. I haven't seen the Charmolues for years
(their
daughter and I used each to be married to two brothers) and didn't realise
they'd taken over Romanin at or around the time we were there. I had a
great
surprise when I read a bit more about it a while ago and discovered they'd
bought it. There's been some dispute about the sale of Montrose, I
believe
but why and why they sold up there I don't know.

Here's a report from Decanter:

The daughter of the former owner of Chateau Montrose is going to court to
fight the sale of the chateau that took place earlier this year.

Caroline Charmolue, daughter of ex-proprietor Jean-Louis Charmolue, will go
to court in Paris to ask that the sale, to French businessmen and brothers
Martin and Olivier Bouygues, be annulled.

The grounds for the annulment are as yet unknown, but one Bordeaux insider
suggested that Caroline Charmolue feels that the relatively low selling
price of the chateaux will harm its reputation. Her father was unable to
clarify the situation.

'I don't know and my lawyers don't know,' Jean-Louis Charmolue told
decanter.com. 'She just didn't want us to sell.'

Charmolue also said that he had not seen or talked to his daughter since 24
April this year.

'As soon as the sale went ahead, she hired a Parisian lawyer,' he said.

A verdict on the case, which is currently being prepared, is not expected
for 12 to 18 months.

According to Charmolue, his daughter played very little role in the running
of the chateau.

Jean-Louis Charmolue and his wife, Anne-Marie now run the 58ha (hectare)
Chateau Romanin property in Provence.

Although the exact amount paid for Chateau Montrose remains undisclosed,
Anthony Barton, of Second-Growth Bordeaux Chateau Leoville-Barton, said the
new owners would 'have to double the price of the bottle to pay for the
sale.'

It has not been possible to contact Caroline Charmolue for comment

On 8/4/07 00:41, in article k_VRh.42981$DE1.28148@pd7urf2no, "graham"
wrote:


"Sacha" wrote in message
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On 7/4/07 06:03, in article XCFRh.38387$aG1.7470@pd7urf3no, "graham"
Yes, I know. I have some. I wish I could afford some of the 2005
vintage
but it probably won't be ready to drink in my lifetime:-((

I'd love to lay some down but it would more likely be for my grandchildren
than me.

They're business people, not
fools.

There are scads of business people who believe in astrology, crystals,
angel
therapy and such tosh. That makes them fools.

I can't say I believe in those things myself but I think to call them
'fools' just because *you* say so, strikes me as arrogant in the extreme.


Ii's not at all arrogant!! It is just the expression of the sentiments held
by rational people.

But that is your take on it. Who is to say that YOU are the rational
people?


Reading the last December
edition of Decanter on biodynamism, I realised that despite all the
advances
in science and education, there are still people who believe in pagan
practices that one might expect to find in primitive tribal societies.
The
correspondence that ensued only confirmed that. Remember, I'm not
laughing
or scratching my head in amazement at *organic* viticulture, just the
metaphysical garbage that biodynamicists have attached to it.

I realise that but man has been growing fruit and vegetables on these
principles for centuries and at the very least, probably doing less harm
to
the land than those hurrying things along with past heavy and frequent
applications of fertilisers.

But that's organic farming. There's nothing wrong with that!
Biodynamicists take that and add an unnecessary measure of mumbo-jumbo.


They have experience of doing this for several years. Do you?

Absolutely irrelevant!!!
--
Graham

Of course it's not irrelevant.

Of course it is!!!

Well that could go on for ever. If you have no experience of something
('one' that is) and somebody else does they are, at least, in a better
position than you to judge it.

By all means be sceptical but to be quite so
absolute about it isn't appropriate. Jean Louis Charmolue knows wine, has
made it his whole life and career and is absolutely passionate on the
subject. He's spent years NOT growing wine on biodynamic principles at
Chateau Montrose and presumably if he's moved bought Chateau Romanin, he
has
done so because it's successful and he likes/approves of the way in which
it
is grown.

He would be equally successful with just the organic bit. Filling cow's
horns with horse manure and burying them for a while followed by diluting
them, stirring them one way, then the other before applying the potion is
the stuff of witchdoctors.

It probably is but if it works.......


It's delicious wine, too!
I would expect that with his pedigree.

We found it quite by accident when we
had lunch at a restaurant in the Camargue several years ago and then we
went
to buy some at the chateau. I haven't seen the Charmolues for years
(their
daughter and I used each to be married to two brothers) and didn't realise
they'd taken over Romanin at or around the time we were there. I had a
great
surprise when I read a bit more about it a while ago and discovered they'd
bought it. There's been some dispute about the sale of Montrose, I
believe
but why and why they sold up there I don't know.

Here's a report from Decanter:

The daughter of the former owner of Chateau Montrose is going to court to
fight the sale of the chateau that took place earlier this year.

Caroline Charmolue, daughter of ex-proprietor Jean-Louis Charmolue, will go
to court in Paris to ask that the sale, to French businessmen and brothers
Martin and Olivier Bouygues, be annulled.
snip


Yes, I knew this was a dispute but have no idea why. Caroline was not my
sister in law, it was Anne Marie's daughter from her first marriage and
while I know she's remarried and is living in France, I doubt she'd get
involved in this, although she was brought up by Jean Louis as if she were
his own child. Their other daughter, Laure, died some years ago.

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/
(remove weeds from address)

On 8/4/07 09:15, in article ,
"Martin" wrote:

On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 08:22:46 +0100, Sacha
wrote:

On 8/4/07 00:41, in article k_VRh.42981$DE1.28148@pd7urf2no, "graham"
snip

I can't say I believe in those things myself but I think to call them
'fools' just because *you* say so, strikes me as arrogant in the extreme.


Ii's not at all arrogant!! It is just the expression of the sentiments held
by rational people.

But that is your take on it. Who is to say that YOU are the rational
people?

All those who believe that the moon doesn't act as a lens to focus anything,
never mind energy from distant constellations.

At one time, people didn't believe in small pox vaccinations. I can't say
I'm about to take up biodynamic gardening myself but as I said before,
people have been gardening in that way or similar, for generations.
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/
(remove weeds from address)

"Martin" wrote in message
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On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 09:34:44 +0100, Sacha

wrote:

On 8/4/07 09:15, in article ,
"Martin" wrote:

On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 08:22:46 +0100, Sacha

wrote:

On 8/4/07 00:41, in article k_VRh.42981$DE1.28148@pd7urf2no, "graham"
snip

I can't say I believe in those things myself but I think to call them
'fools' just because *you* say so, strikes me as arrogant in the
extreme.


Ii's not at all arrogant!! It is just the expression of the
sentiments held
by rational people.

But that is your take on it. Who is to say that YOU are the rational
people?

All those who believe that the moon doesn't act as a lens to focus
anything,
never mind energy from distant constellations.

At one time, people didn't believe in small pox vaccinations.

Around the same time that people believed in things like biodynamics and
alchemy?

I can't say
I'm about to take up biodynamic gardening myself but as I said before,
people have been gardening in that way or similar, for generations.

People used to and still do die of starvation as the result of primitive
farming
methods.

But where people are dying because of the primitive farming methods, is
because there may be no alternative, lack of rain for example, no cattle to
provide manure!

It is silly to quote that primitive farming causes people to die.

Alan

--

Martin

On 8/4/07 09:42, in article ,
"Martin" wrote:

On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 09:34:44 +0100, Sacha
wrote:

On 8/4/07 09:15, in article ,
"Martin" wrote:

On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 08:22:46 +0100, Sacha
wrote:

On 8/4/07 00:41, in article k_VRh.42981$DE1.28148@pd7urf2no, "graham"
snip

I can't say I believe in those things myself but I think to call them
'fools' just because *you* say so, strikes me as arrogant in the extreme.


Ii's not at all arrogant!! It is just the expression of the sentiments
held
by rational people.

But that is your take on it. Who is to say that YOU are the rational
people?

All those who believe that the moon doesn't act as a lens to focus anything,
never mind energy from distant constellations.

At one time, people didn't believe in small pox vaccinations.

Around the same time that people believed in things like biodynamics and
alchemy?

As I said biodynamics has been in folk culture for years. NOW we expect
explanations for everything but for some things there ARE no obvious
explanations. Yet.

I can't say
I'm about to take up biodynamic gardening myself but as I said before,
people have been gardening in that way or similar, for generations.

People used to and still do die of starvation as the result of primitive
farming
methods.

I don't quite see what that has to do with choosing to grow food
biodynamically unless you're suggesting that using artificial fertilisers
produces more food and is therefore a good idea?

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/
(remove weeds from address)

"Sacha" wrote in message
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On 8/4/07 09:42, in article ,

On 8/4/07 00:41, in article k_VRh.42981$DE1.28148@pd7urf2no, "graham"
snip

I can't say I believe in those things myself but I think to call
them
'fools' just because *you* say so, strikes me as arrogant in the
extreme.


Ii's not at all arrogant!! It is just the expression of the
sentiments
held
by rational people.

But that is your take on it. Who is to say that YOU are the rational
people?

All those who believe that the moon doesn't act as a lens to focus
anything,
never mind energy from distant constellations.

At one time, people didn't believe in small pox vaccinations.

Around the same time that people believed in things like biodynamics and
alchemy?

As I said biodynamics has been in folk culture for years. NOW we expect
explanations for everything but for some things there ARE no obvious
explanations. Yet.

I can't say
I'm about to take up biodynamic gardening myself but as I said before,
people have been gardening in that way or similar, for generations.

People used to and still do die of starvation as the result of primitive
farming
methods.

I don't quite see what that has to do with choosing to grow food
biodynamically unless you're suggesting that using artificial fertilisers
produces more food and is therefore a good idea?

I don't think it is a good idea, apart from that, the people who are
starving would not be able to spend money on anything like artificial
fertilsiers, they are not in the same happy position we are, when we can pop
down to the local garden centre and buy any of that rubbish.

Where would they get the money from?

Alan

On Apr 7, 2:17 pm, Martin wrote:
On 7 Apr 2007 04:30:42 -0700, "

wrote:
On Apr 7, 9:20 am, "Norman Digger" wrote:
I'm sure planting by the phase of the moon would be more successful if it
was done at midnight with some naked virgins dancing around the garden.

Norman Digger.

That's not fair Norman, what about nubile young men?

You get Norman, take him or leave him.
--

Martin

I want to see a picture at least??