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Alternative for Clematis montana
I'm considering getting rid of my Clematis montana and planting some
other clematis there instead. What would be an alternative? I need it to flower the same time as montana (ie a bit later than the alpinas), to have small flowers, to be a lot less vigorous, but still vigorous enough to grow above the 'slug zone', and to be happy in a cold Yorkshire climate. -- Kay |
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Alternative for Clematis montana
"K" wrote in message ... I'm considering getting rid of my Clematis montana and planting some other clematis there instead. What would be an alternative? I need it to flower the same time as montana (ie a bit later than the alpinas), to have small flowers, to be a lot less vigorous, but still vigorous enough to grow above the 'slug zone', and to be happy in a cold Yorkshire climate. -- Kay The best I can do is to suggest yet another C.montana that is a bit less vigorous. Crug have a few options such as:- http://www.mailorder.crug-farm.co.uk...aspx?pid=10554 Does it have to be a clematis or would something else flowering at the right time make a suitable substitute? |
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Alternative for Clematis montana
"Rupert (W.Yorkshire)" writes
"K" wrote in message ... I'm considering getting rid of my Clematis montana and planting some other clematis there instead. What would be an alternative? I need it to flower the same time as montana (ie a bit later than the alpinas), to have small flowers, to be a lot less vigorous, but still vigorous enough to grow above the 'slug zone', and to be happy in a cold Yorkshire climate. -- Kay The best I can do is to suggest yet another C.montana that is a bit less vigorous. Crug have a few options such as:- http://www.mailorder.crug-farm.co.uk...aspx?pid=10554 Does it have to be a clematis or would something else flowering at the right time make a suitable substitute? I'd like a clematis, but what else did you have in mind? Atm the montana is just over, I have two climbing honeysuckles in flower, early roses, and 3 wisteria. The clematis (or whatever) is to go into an 8 ft mock orange. The montana used to be part of a thicket forming our border with the church car park next door. Following a change of priest late last year, the church has pruned our thicket back to our boundary (as is their right - thank goodness they didn't also return to us all the prunings ;-) ) thus destroying our privacy and our security in one fell swoop. We've now added a 3-4ft trellis to the top of the stone wall boundary, which gives the security back (or at least the illusion thereof, which is the important thing), and I'm re-evaluating some of the things that were forming the thicket - I'm planning more emphasis on roses and clematis and less on pyracantha ;-) -- Kay |
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Alternative for Clematis montana
"K" wrote in message ... "Rupert (W.Yorkshire)" writes "K" wrote in message ... I'm considering getting rid of my Clematis montana and planting some other clematis there instead. What would be an alternative? I need it to flower the same time as montana (ie a bit later than the alpinas), to have small flowers, to be a lot less vigorous, but still vigorous enough to grow above the 'slug zone', and to be happy in a cold Yorkshire climate. -- Kay The best I can do is to suggest yet another C.montana that is a bit less vigorous. Crug have a few options such as:- http://www.mailorder.crug-farm.co.uk...aspx?pid=10554 Does it have to be a clematis or would something else flowering at the right time make a suitable substitute? I'd like a clematis, but what else did you have in mind? Atm the montana is just over, I have two climbing honeysuckles in flower, early roses, and 3 wisteria. The clematis (or whatever) is to go into an 8 ft mock orange. The montana used to be part of a thicket forming our border with the church car park next door. Following a change of priest late last year, the church has pruned our thicket back to our boundary (as is their right - thank goodness they didn't also return to us all the prunings ;-) ) thus destroying our privacy and our security in one fell swoop. We've now added a 3-4ft trellis to the top of the stone wall boundary, which gives the security back (or at least the illusion thereof, which is the important thing), and I'm re-evaluating some of the things that were forming the thicket - I'm planning more emphasis on roses and clematis and less on pyracantha ;-) -- Kay I was thinking of evergreen climbers. Not many are there? Ivy and C.armandii are the usual choice but Tropaeolum ciliatum is a nice thing. I was warned by Charlie Pridham about how invasive this is, but for now it can invade as much as it wants. Some of the Holboellias might make a nice change but I am not certain how hardy some of the recent new offerings are supposed to be. Both of these evergreen things flower fairly early so they might at least plug the odd gap in your new thicket. |
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Alternative for Clematis montana
"Rupert (W.Yorkshire)" writes
I was thinking of evergreen climbers. Not many are there? Doesn't have to be evergreen. I don't mind people seeing in in the winter. Ivy and C.armandii are the usual choice but Tropaeolum ciliatum is a nice thing. I'm getting rid of the ivy too ;-) I have a C armandii clambering through a cherry tree and over the roof of the terrace. It is certainly a lot less thuggish than montana. It's also a bit earlier than montana. I've got a couple of Tropaeolum seedlings, not sure what species. They look a bit fragile - hard to imagine as thugs. How are they in the presence of slugs? Ordinary nasturtiums seem immune to slugs, but these just look too succulent. I was warned by Charlie Pridham about how invasive this is, but for now it can invade as much as it wants. Some of the Holboellias might make a nice change but I am not certain how hardy some of the recent new offerings are supposed to be. That's a consideration. We're the lowest bit of ground around, and although the terrace by the house is a sun trap, the lower garden is noticeably later flowering than the surrounding area. Hmm ...Googling finds lots of references to 'sheltered location'. Though maybe I ought just not be quite so cautious in my approach. -- Kay |
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Alternative for Clematis montana
"K" wrote in message ... I'm considering getting rid of my Clematis montana and planting some other clematis there instead. What would be an alternative? I need it to flower the same time as montana (ie a bit later than the alpinas), to have small flowers, to be a lot less vigorous, but still vigorous enough to grow above the 'slug zone', and to be happy in a cold Yorkshire climate. -- Kay Quite a tough challenge! The smaller Montanas are often crossed with C. chrysocoma (which is lovely but not hardy) and are probably going to be disappointing in your colder climate, most other early flowered species are a bit tender. which leaves you with the several thousand group two hybrid clematis, but they all have bigger flowers than montana, I think one of the best for your purpose would be "Miss Bateman" as the flowers are about 3-4" so not too large and its a bushy grower, not normally pruned it can be tidied after flowering in June (as can montana) -- Charlie, gardening in Cornwall. http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of National Plant Collections of Clematis viticella (cvs) and Lapageria rosea |
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