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Our next-door neighbour has a very large house and some 7 acres of derelict orchard behind it, some of it extending behind our house and garden. He also runs most of his heating on a wood-fired boiler. In the past he had his wood store and saw bench halfway down the orchard, but in the last fortnight he has built a very large woodshed out of derelict asbestos sheeting right at the bottom of our garden, in full view of our house (though not his). In the course of building it, he has hacked (his) laurel hedge between us more or less to the ground and replaced it with a few tiny saplings. We are becoming reconciled to the thought that we might have to put up a fence to hide some of the eyesore (it's about 10-12 feet tall), at least from the ground floor.... But the second problem is, he has, in the past, spent a lot of his time cutting logs on his bench saw, and it used to be bad enough from halfway through the orchard. Now the woodshed is the obvious place to do it. But we work from home, and our windows face the back.... We are on friendly terms, and I did ask about the sawing, but I didn't get an answer and he went ahead with it anyway. I don't suppose there is much we can do: his land is classified as agricultural land, so sawing wood is part of the brief, and in any case we would not like to fall out with them - but short of planting a forest instead of our garden, is there anything we can do to hide the eyesore and minimise the noise? -- Klara, Gatwick basin |
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Klara, I would ring up Environmental Health and mention the magic word 'asbestos'. -- Sacha What part of We are on friendly terms, :and and in any case we would not like to fall out with them - do you not understand? Mike -- www.rneba.org.uk for the latest pictures of the very first reunion and Inaugural General Meeting. Nothing less than a fantastic success. The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association. 'THE' Association if you served in the Electrical Branch of the Royal Navy www.rneba.org.uk to find your ex-Greenie mess mates www.iowtours.com for all ex-Service Reunions. More being added regularly "Navy Days" Portsmouth 25th - 27th July 2008. RN Shipmates will have a Stand |
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In message , Sacha
writes Klara, I would ring up Environmental Health and mention the magic word 'asbestos'. You could also monitor noise levels when he's sawing or ask him politely to keep it to certain times and days that affect you least. Keep a diary. Thanks, Sacha. We have been so gobsmacked that someone could be so insensitive that thinking rationally has been difficult. It never occurred to me that indeed asbestos might well be a magic word here.... The diary is a great idea - though as when he's not sawing at the back he is hammering in the front, or somewhere, so I envisage quite a tome ;-) -- Klara, Gatwick basin |
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On 8/9/07 14:45, in article , "Klara"
wrote: In message , Sacha writes Klara, I would ring up Environmental Health and mention the magic word 'asbestos'. You could also monitor noise levels when he's sawing or ask him politely to keep it to certain times and days that affect you least. Keep a diary. Thanks, Sacha. We have been so gobsmacked that someone could be so insensitive that thinking rationally has been difficult. It never occurred to me that indeed asbestos might well be a magic word here.... I'd think so. It seems to me that while you're keen to keep good relations with your neighbour, he's taking thorough advantage of your good natures! He doesn't appear to be at all concerned about the effect his actions are having on your lives and these things surely have to work two ways. The diary is a great idea - though as when he's not sawing at the back he is hammering in the front, or somewhere, so I envisage quite a tome ;-) I was advised to do this when I had a neighbour that put a dog out at around 4am and left it there for hours to bark and bark to come in. She was, in fact, a bit bonkers and the local police had a very thick file on her. But the EH people told me that the keeping of the diary was essential. One of our family was told the same thing when she had a neighbour who delighted in waking her up in the small hours, making all sorts of unnecessary noise. It's even possible to buy - or possibly hire - a monitor that will record decibel levels. -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove weeds from address) 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
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Reading these stories aren't I just glad that I have superb neighbours both
sides, front and back (my grounds go through to the next road), but then I am nice to my neighbours and allow 'live and let live'. Just what do you people do to upset them and cause trouble and strife? Don't you talk and laugh with them? Do you go out of your way to antagonise them? When I go away my neighbours have a set of keys, come in and clear the post, open windows to make the place look lived in and aired and when they go away we do the same for them and feed their cats. (That caused a laugh when certain persons unknown sent the RSPCA round to us :-)) We don't make a noise to annoy the neighbours. DO YOU? We don't have bonfires to annoy the neighbours. DO YOU? We don't leave engines running to annoy the neighbours. DO YOU? If we see junk mail sticking out of a neighbours letter box for tooooooooooooooooo long, we either shove it through or bring it home. DO YOU? I have owned property for over 50 years and have ALWAYS got on with my neighbours HAVE YOU? Seems a lot of people take a great delight in saying what an evil person I am. I think a few people should look to their own laurels. What is the saying, "People in glass houses...."? Kindest regards Mike -- www.rneba.org.uk for the latest pictures of the very first reunion and Inaugural General Meeting. Nothing less than a fantastic success. The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association. 'THE' Association if you served in the Electrical Branch of the Royal Navy www.rneba.org.uk to find your ex-Greenie mess mates www.iowtours.com for all ex-Service Reunions. More being added regularly "Navy Days" Portsmouth 25th - 27th July 2008. RN Shipmates will have a Stand "Sacha" wrote in message . uk... On 8/9/07 14:45, in article , "Klara" wrote: In message , Sacha writes Klara, I would ring up Environmental Health and mention the magic word 'asbestos'. You could also monitor noise levels when he's sawing or ask him politely to keep it to certain times and days that affect you least. Keep a diary. Thanks, Sacha. We have been so gobsmacked that someone could be so insensitive that thinking rationally has been difficult. It never occurred to me that indeed asbestos might well be a magic word here.... I'd think so. It seems to me that while you're keen to keep good relations with your neighbour, he's taking thorough advantage of your good natures! He doesn't appear to be at all concerned about the effect his actions are having on your lives and these things surely have to work two ways. The diary is a great idea - though as when he's not sawing at the back he is hammering in the front, or somewhere, so I envisage quite a tome ;-) I was advised to do this when I had a neighbour that put a dog out at around 4am and left it there for hours to bark and bark to come in. She was, in fact, a bit bonkers and the local police had a very thick file on her. But the EH people told me that the keeping of the diary was essential. One of our family was told the same thing when she had a neighbour who delighted in waking her up in the small hours, making all sorts of unnecessary noise. It's even possible to buy - or possibly hire - a monitor that will record decibel levels. -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove weeds from address) 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
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In message , Sacha
writes Thanks, Sacha. We have been so gobsmacked that someone could be so insensitive that thinking rationally has been difficult. It never occurred to me that indeed asbestos might well be a magic word here.... I'd think so. It seems to me that while you're keen to keep good relations with your neighbour, he's taking thorough advantage of your good natures! He doesn't appear to be at all concerned about the effect his actions are having on your lives and these things surely have to work two ways. Well, it's particularly painful because we do have a good relationship otherwise - we've looked after each other's houses, children, pets, etc. companionably for some 30 years, and I imagine we must be reasonably pleasant to have next-door because while since (early) retirement he has been a never-ending source of DIY noise, smoke, etc. we barely have time to look up from our computers, so run no machines, burn nothing, etc. etc. - and even while the thing was going up, my husband spent some 10 hours or more sorting out their computer, etc. problems.... We would never have imagined that it would occur to him to do this. Perhaps he doesn't realise how obtrusive it feels, given that it's something like 120 feet from our back wall.... -- Klara, Gatwick basin |
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On 8/9/07 16:54, in article , "Klara"
wrote: In message , Sacha writes Thanks, Sacha. We have been so gobsmacked that someone could be so insensitive that thinking rationally has been difficult. It never occurred to me that indeed asbestos might well be a magic word here.... I'd think so. It seems to me that while you're keen to keep good relations with your neighbour, he's taking thorough advantage of your good natures! He doesn't appear to be at all concerned about the effect his actions are having on your lives and these things surely have to work two ways. Well, it's particularly painful because we do have a good relationship otherwise - we've looked after each other's houses, children, pets, etc. companionably for some 30 years, and I imagine we must be reasonably pleasant to have next-door because while since (early) retirement he has been a never-ending source of DIY noise, smoke, etc. we barely have time to look up from our computers, so run no machines, burn nothing, etc. etc. - and even while the thing was going up, my husband spent some 10 hours or more sorting out their computer, etc. problems.... We would never have imagined that it would occur to him to do this. Perhaps he doesn't realise how obtrusive it feels, given that it's something like 120 feet from our back wall.... I think he may just not have thought about it. It sounds as if he's happily playing in his new found freedom and is enjoying it so much, it doesn't occur to him that not everyone else takes vicarious pleasure from it. But while your first recourse is to talk to him - and mention you're worried about having asbestos around! - if common sense doesn't prevail with him, you'll have to try other avenues. It's all very unfortunate after harmony for such a long time. ;-( -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove weeds from address) 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
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"Klara" wrote in message ... .. Perhaps he doesn't realise how obtrusive it feels, given that it's something like 120 feet from our back wall.... -- Klara, Gatwick basin So therefore you TALK to them. Invite them round and tell them your problem. Where is the problem with that? None other than your own making :-( Mike -- www.rneba.org.uk for the latest pictures of the very first reunion and Inaugural General Meeting. Nothing less than a fantastic success. The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association. 'THE' Association if you served in the Electrical Branch of the Royal Navy www.rneba.org.uk to find your ex-Greenie mess mates www.iowtours.com for all ex-Service Reunions. More being added regularly "Navy Days" Portsmouth 25th - 27th July 2008. RN Shipmates will have a Stand |
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I don't suppose there is much we can do: his land is classified as
agricultural land, so sawing wood is part of the brief, and in any case we would not like to fall out with them - but short of planting a forest instead of our garden, is there anything we can do to hide the eyesore and minimise the noise? -- Klara, Gatwick basin Depending on the amount of garden space you have, your proximity to the boundary and what direction is South, I'd be tempted to go for a row of the dreaded leylandii. It does have it's place depending on the circumstances. I don't know how much noise they would block out but would be better to look at than an asbestos shack. There are probably climbers that you could run through the trees to make them more attractive and help block more noise too. The denser and taller the foliage the less the noise. David. |
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"David (Normandy)" wrote in message ... I don't suppose there is much we can do: his land is classified as agricultural land, so sawing wood is part of the brief, and in any case we would not like to fall out with them - but short of planting a forest instead of our garden, is there anything we can do to hide the eyesore and minimise the noise? -- Klara, Gatwick basin Depending on the amount of garden space you have, your proximity to the boundary and what direction is South, I'd be tempted to go for a row of the dreaded leylandii. It does have it's place depending on the circumstances. I don't know how much noise they would block out but would be better to look at than an asbestos shack. There are probably climbers that you could run through the trees to make them more attractive and help block more noise too. The denser and taller the foliage the less the noise. David. a climber like Russian Vine ? As you say David it depends on distance and space. Mike -- www.rneba.org.uk for the latest pictures of the very first reunion and Inaugural General Meeting. Nothing less than a fantastic success. The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association. 'THE' Association if you served in the Electrical Branch of the Royal Navy www.rneba.org.uk to find your ex-Greenie mess mates www.iowtours.com for all ex-Service Reunions. More being added regularly "Navy Days" Portsmouth 25th - 27th July 2008. RN Shipmates will have a Stand |
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a climber like Russian Vine ?
As you say David it depends on distance and space. Mike I don't know if you meant that "tongue in cheek", but strangely, that did cross my mind. I had one at a previous house and have planted one here in France too. It very much depends on the circumstances as to how appropriate such a fast growing, large, climber is. Here we have a huge, 100 feet long, two storey, derelict stone barn and this year I planted several vigorous climbers with the intention of converting it into a "romantic ruin" completely covered with climbers, including a Russian vine, clematis Montana (both the white and pink), an Alba plus several other large varieties who's names escape me at the moment. Also planted honeysuckle, wisteria, virgina creepers and a passion flower. Hopefully, between them, they will encase the entire barn after a few years and smother it in foliage and flowers. It should be quite spectacular. David. |
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On 8/9/07 14:55, in article , "David
(Normandy)" wrote: a climber like Russian Vine ? As you say David it depends on distance and space. Mike I don't know if you meant that "tongue in cheek", but strangely, that did cross my mind. I had one at a previous house and have planted one here in France too. It very much depends on the circumstances as to how appropriate such a fast growing, large, climber is. Here we have a huge, 100 feet long, two storey, derelict stone barn and this year I planted several vigorous climbers with the intention of converting it into a "romantic ruin" completely covered with climbers, including a Russian vine, clematis Montana (both the white and pink), an Alba plus several other large varieties who's names escape me at the moment. Also planted honeysuckle, wisteria, virgina creepers and a passion flower. Hopefully, between them, they will encase the entire barn after a few years and smother it in foliage and flowers. It should be quite spectacular. David. If the Russian vine let's everything else thrive. It really is a monster! I would never use it myself but in the OP's case, given that she's looking into someone else's garden from her own, I think using one of those would give nothing but trouble to both parties. He won't be too happy when his new sapling hedging is eaten by the Russian vine...... -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove weeds from address) 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
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I don't know if you meant that "tongue in cheek", but strangely, that did cross my mind. I had one at a previous house and have planted one here in France too. It very much depends on the circumstances as to how appropriate such a fast growing, large, climber is. Here we have a huge, 100 feet long, two storey, derelict stone barn and this year I planted several vigorous climbers with the intention of converting it into a "romantic ruin" completely covered with climbers, including a Russian vine, clematis Montana (both the white and pink), an Alba plus several other large varieties who's names escape me at the moment. Also planted honeysuckle, wisteria, virgina creepers and a passion flower. Hopefully, between them, they will encase the entire barn after a few years and smother it in foliage and flowers. It should be quite spectacular. David. If the Russian vine let's everything else thrive. It really is a monster! I would never use it myself but in the OP's case, given that she's looking into someone else's garden from her own, I think using one of those would give nothing but trouble to both parties. He won't be too happy when his new sapling hedging is eaten by the Russian vine...... -- Sacha Well, Russian vine was my first thought, speedily rejected ... but while contemplating it, I came across Fallopia baldschuanica "Pink Flamingo", billed as being only half as vigorous as the ordinary one, and listed he http://www.prideofplaceplants.com/vi..._flamingo.html Doesn't seem to be available anywhere but this one nursery, though, as far as I can make out.... Would you and Ray know anything about them? -- Klara, Gatwick basin |
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If the Russian vine let's everything else thrive. It really is a monster!
I would never use it myself but in the OP's case, given that she's looking into someone else's garden from her own, I think using one of those would give nothing but trouble to both parties. He won't be too happy when his new sapling hedging is eaten by the Russian vine...... -- Sacha I planted the Russian vine in the least favourable position of all the climbers. The barn faces South so the sun lovers are all on that side. The passion flower is loving it's position. The Russian vine was relegated to the North facing side of the building. It put on quite a spurt initially reaching the top of the wall (about 20 feet) then strangely has stopped growing with a number of it's leaves turning rust or red coloured. It is almost as though it has decided it has grown enough for one year or that Autumn is here so time to throttle back. The roof of the barn (what remains of it) is huge and very steep, covered in rusty corrugated tin sheets. I'm hoping that at least one of the climbers will be able to tolerate growing over them without baking in the Summer sun. The rusty tin sheets are really ugly. I may post a photo some time - the barn is quite a monstrosity at the moment. The weathered stone walls and ancient wooden doors / windows have charm but the tin sheets completely spoil the look. Needless to say the barn is beyond renovation. It would cost a fortune to do anything with and is not financially viable. So a "romantic ruin" is it's only future as it slowly crumbles away. David. |
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