"Sacha" wrote in message
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On 2/12/07 15:33, in article , "bof"

Coming in rather late - I wonder if it is a variety of Loquat, Eriobotrya
japonica. I know the typical fruit is not grooved, hence the suggestion
that it's a variety. The stucture is similar.
Graham

On 2/12/07 20:10, in article WiE4j.87755$cD.32967@pd7urf2no, "graham"
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"Sacha" wrote in message
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On 2/12/07 15:33, in article , "bof"

Coming in rather late - I wonder if it is a variety of Loquat, Eriobotrya
japonica. I know the typical fruit is not grooved, hence the suggestion
that it's a variety. The stucture is similar.
Graham


Thanks for the suggestion, Graham but those don't fit the bill. These are SO
regularly and distinctly segmented that there doesn't seem (to my untutored
eye) to be any room for manoeuvre, to be honest. They are squat, rather
than oblong, the segmentation is very distinct and in fact, is becoming more
so as they desiccate. The dried up, sad looking sample I have on my desk
now is probably about the size of a 10p piece, or a less and it was the
smallest of the two we were given.

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
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'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

graham wrote:

"Sacha" wrote in message
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On 2/12/07 15:33, in article , "bof"

Coming in rather late - I wonder if it is a variety of Loquat, Eriobotrya
japonica. I know the typical fruit is not grooved, hence the suggestion
that it's a variety. The stucture is similar.

That was my first thought, actually, but the seeds seemed too small to
me for that.

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is quite a stupid man." Richard Dawkins on Pres. Bush"

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"Sacha" wrote in message
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On 2/12/07 15:33, in article , "bof"

Coming in rather late - I wonder if it is a variety of Loquat, Eriobotrya
japonica. I know the typical fruit is not grooved, hence the suggestion
that it's a variety. The stucture is similar.
Graham

I looked into that as a possibility when the image was first shown.
Eriobotrya has persistent sepals at the apex of the fruit, and the
fruits are smaller (1/2" in diameter). (The last applies to the wild
type; it may be that there are cultivars with larger fruits.)
--
Stewart Robert Hinsley

In article WiE4j.87755$cD.32967@pd7urf2no, says...

"Sacha" wrote in message
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On 2/12/07 15:33, in article , "bof"

Coming in rather late - I wonder if it is a variety of Loquat, Eriobotrya
japonica. I know the typical fruit is not grooved, hence the suggestion
that it's a variety. The stucture is similar.
Graham



Although the fruit may have some similarities they have large evergreen
leaves so you would have thought would have been mentioned, the original
description sounded like the "pumpkins" were spread over bare branches.
--
Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall
www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and
Lapageria rosea

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In article WiE4j.87755$cD.32967@pd7urf2no, says...

"Sacha" wrote in message
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On 2/12/07 15:33, in article , "bof"

Coming in rather late - I wonder if it is a variety of Loquat, Eriobotrya
japonica. I know the typical fruit is not grooved, hence the suggestion
that it's a variety. The stucture is similar.
Graham



Although the fruit may have some similarities they have large evergreen
leaves so you would have thought would have been mentioned, the original
description sounded like the "pumpkins" were spread over bare branches.
It certainly sounds possibly that it may be some sort of japonica to me
- mine produces red fruit (which are poisonous) but to have them at this
time of year is a bit of a mystery. Ii have not researched japonicas
but mine flowers in spring and the fruit is a result. It's all over by
May. It is strange that I have nothing in either the RHS books or
cookery books.

PS Note for limey and Sacha - as a result of looking I have found my
Sarah Brown Vegetarian Cookery book - Oh joy!
--
June Hughes

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Pridham writes
In article WiE4j.87755$cD.32967@pd7urf2no, says...

"Sacha" wrote in message
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On 2/12/07 15:33, in article , "bof"

Coming in rather late - I wonder if it is a variety of Loquat, Eriobotrya
japonica. I know the typical fruit is not grooved, hence the suggestion
that it's a variety. The stucture is similar.
Graham



Although the fruit may have some similarities they have large evergreen
leaves so you would have thought would have been mentioned, the original
description sounded like the "pumpkins" were spread over bare branches.
It certainly sounds possibly that it may be some sort of japonica to me
- mine produces red fruit (which are poisonous) but to have them at this
time of year is a bit of a mystery. Ii have not researched japonicas
but mine flowers in spring and the fruit is a result. It's all over by
May. It is strange that I have nothing in either the RHS books or
cookery books.

PS Note for limey and Sacha - as a result of looking I have found my
Sarah Brown Vegetarian Cookery book - Oh joy!

Every cloud.......
--
Sacha

In article ,
June Hughes writes:
|
| It certainly sounds possibly that it may be some sort of japonica to me
| - mine produces red fruit (which are poisonous) but to have them at this
| time of year is a bit of a mystery. Ii have not researched japonicas
| but mine flowers in spring and the fruit is a result. It's all over by
| May. It is strange that I have nothing in either the RHS books or
| cookery books.

Eh? "japonica" is a species name. It is normally used for Chaenomeles
japonica (or C. speciosa or C. x superba), the Japanese quince, and
the fruit are normal at this time of year and most definitely NOT at
all poisonous.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

In message , Nick Maclaren
writes

In article ,
June Hughes writes:
|
| It certainly sounds possibly that it may be some sort of japonica to me
| - mine produces red fruit (which are poisonous) but to have them at this
| time of year is a bit of a mystery. Ii have not researched japonicas
| but mine flowers in spring and the fruit is a result. It's all over by
| May. It is strange that I have nothing in either the RHS books or
| cookery books.

Eh? "japonica" is a species name. It is normally used for Chaenomeles
japonica (or C. speciosa or C. x superba), the Japanese quince, and
the fruit are normal at this time of year and most definitely NOT at
all poisonous.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.
I didn't say japonicas were all poisonous. I said it may be some sort
of japonica and that the fruit from mine is poisonous. Please try and
read what is said and please do not shout.

Regards to you too.
--
June Hughes

In article ,
June Hughes writes:
|
| | It certainly sounds possibly that it may be some sort of japonica to me
| | - mine produces red fruit (which are poisonous) but to have them at this
| | time of year is a bit of a mystery. Ii have not researched japonicas
| | but mine flowers in spring and the fruit is a result. It's all over by
| | May. It is strange that I have nothing in either the RHS books or
| | cookery books.
|
| Eh? "japonica" is a species name. It is normally used for Chaenomeles
| japonica (or C. speciosa or C. x superba), the Japanese quince, and
| the fruit are normal at this time of year and most definitely NOT at
| all poisonous.
|
| I didn't say japonicas were all poisonous. I said it may be some sort
| of japonica and that the fruit from mine is poisonous. Please try and
| read what is said and please do not shout.

You were and are very confused - I will try once more to try to
reduce your confusion.

"Some sort of japonica", in normal usage, can mean only one of the
Chaenomeles. Japonica as the name of a group of plants means that
and nothing else.

While I can grasp the concept of someone categorising all plants
with "japonica" as a specific epithet in a group, it makes no sense
in gardening terms. You would be classifying Paeonia japonica
together with Chaenomeles japonica, for a start.

I don't know what you mean by "some sort of japonica", if you don't
mean Chaenomeles and include something with poisonous fruit, and I
doubt that many other people will, either.

And I recommend reading "Tristram Shandy", for an education into
traditional English typographic conventions.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

Following up to (Nick Maclaren) wrote:

"Some sort of japonica", in normal usage, can mean only one of the
Chaenomeles. Japonica as the name of a group of plants means that
and nothing else.

are there not various "japanese" quinces? I understood the meaning to
be that. I had an ormamental one in the garden for a time.
--
Mike
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Following up to (Nick Maclaren) wrote:

And I recommend reading "Tristram Shandy", for an education into
traditional English typographic conventions.

and i recommend you read a book on charm and good manners.
--
Mike
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In message , Nick Maclaren
writes

In article ,
June Hughes writes:
|
| | It certainly sounds possibly that it may be some sort of japonica to me
| | - mine produces red fruit (which are poisonous) but to have them at this
| | time of year is a bit of a mystery. Ii have not researched japonicas
| | but mine flowers in spring and the fruit is a result. It's all over by
| | May. It is strange that I have nothing in either the RHS books or
| | cookery books.
|
| Eh? "japonica" is a species name. It is normally used for Chaenomeles
| japonica (or C. speciosa or C. x superba), the Japanese quince, and
| the fruit are normal at this time of year and most definitely NOT at
| all poisonous.
|
| I didn't say japonicas were all poisonous. I said it may be some sort
| of japonica and that the fruit from mine is poisonous. Please try and
| read what is said and please do not shout.

You were and are very confused - I will try once more to try to
reduce your confusion.

"Some sort of japonica", in normal usage, can mean only one of the
Chaenomeles. Japonica as the name of a group of plants means that
and nothing else.

While I can grasp the concept of someone categorising all plants
with "japonica" as a specific epithet in a group, it makes no sense
in gardening terms. You would be classifying Paeonia japonica
together with Chaenomeles japonica, for a start.

I don't know what you mean by "some sort of japonica", if you don't
mean Chaenomeles and include something with poisonous fruit, and I
doubt that many other people will, either.

And I recommend reading "Tristram Shandy", for an education into
traditional English typographic conventions.

I recommend you learn to be a bit more civil. Pompous is not the word
for you. And BTW, I have read Tristram Shandy. Perhaps you should read
a book on good manners. There are several on the market.

Goodbye.

--
June Hughes

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Stewart Robert Hinsley writes:
|
| You can think of a medlar (Mespilus) as a giant haw (Crataegus); loquats
| (Eriobotrya) are also pome fruits, but so are apples, pears,
| serviceberries, and quite a few other plants.

Indeed. Of the traditional tree fruits grown in the UK, nearly half
are pome fruits and most of the others are in the plum/cherry group.

| One fruit I particularly like but don't see much in the UK shops is
| grenadilla (is there an English name?). Divine! Lidl (of all places!)
| was selling them a while back...
|
| Yes, there is an English name; it is granadilla.
|
| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Granadilla

We always knew it as grenadilla in Africa.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message
Stewart Robert Hinsley writes:
snip
| One fruit I particularly like but don't see much in the UK shops is
| grenadilla (is there an English name?). Divine! Lidl (of all places!)
| was selling them a while back...
|
| Yes, there is an English name; it is granadilla.
|
| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Granadilla

We always knew it as grenadilla in Africa.

Interesting. In Australia, the purple ones are known as passionfruit and
the yellow ones as banana passionfruit.