In message , Charlie
Pridham writes
In article WiE4j.87755$cD.32967@pd7urf2no, says...

"Sacha" wrote in message
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On 2/12/07 15:33, in article , "bof"

Coming in rather late - I wonder if it is a variety of Loquat, Eriobotrya
japonica. I know the typical fruit is not grooved, hence the suggestion
that it's a variety. The stucture is similar.
Graham



Although the fruit may have some similarities they have large evergreen
leaves so you would have thought would have been mentioned, the original
description sounded like the "pumpkins" were spread over bare branches.
It certainly sounds possibly that it may be some sort of japonica to me
- mine produces red fruit (which are poisonous) but to have them at this
time of year is a bit of a mystery. Ii have not researched japonicas
but mine flowers in spring and the fruit is a result. It's all over by
May. It is strange that I have nothing in either the RHS books or
cookery books.

PS Note for limey and Sacha - as a result of looking I have found my
Sarah Brown Vegetarian Cookery book - Oh joy!
--
June Hughes

On 3/12/07 08:42, in article , "June
Hughes" wrote:

In message , Charlie
Pridham writes
In article WiE4j.87755$cD.32967@pd7urf2no, says...

"Sacha" wrote in message
. uk...
On 2/12/07 15:33, in article , "bof"

Coming in rather late - I wonder if it is a variety of Loquat, Eriobotrya
japonica. I know the typical fruit is not grooved, hence the suggestion
that it's a variety. The stucture is similar.
Graham



Although the fruit may have some similarities they have large evergreen
leaves so you would have thought would have been mentioned, the original
description sounded like the "pumpkins" were spread over bare branches.
It certainly sounds possibly that it may be some sort of japonica to me
- mine produces red fruit (which are poisonous) but to have them at this
time of year is a bit of a mystery. Ii have not researched japonicas
but mine flowers in spring and the fruit is a result. It's all over by
May. It is strange that I have nothing in either the RHS books or
cookery books.

PS Note for limey and Sacha - as a result of looking I have found my
Sarah Brown Vegetarian Cookery book - Oh joy!

Every cloud.......
--
Sacha

In article ,
June Hughes writes:
|
| It certainly sounds possibly that it may be some sort of japonica to me
| - mine produces red fruit (which are poisonous) but to have them at this
| time of year is a bit of a mystery. Ii have not researched japonicas
| but mine flowers in spring and the fruit is a result. It's all over by
| May. It is strange that I have nothing in either the RHS books or
| cookery books.

Eh? "japonica" is a species name. It is normally used for Chaenomeles
japonica (or C. speciosa or C. x superba), the Japanese quince, and
the fruit are normal at this time of year and most definitely NOT at
all poisonous.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

In message , Nick Maclaren
writes

In article ,
June Hughes writes:
|
| It certainly sounds possibly that it may be some sort of japonica to me
| - mine produces red fruit (which are poisonous) but to have them at this
| time of year is a bit of a mystery. Ii have not researched japonicas
| but mine flowers in spring and the fruit is a result. It's all over by
| May. It is strange that I have nothing in either the RHS books or
| cookery books.

Eh? "japonica" is a species name. It is normally used for Chaenomeles
japonica (or C. speciosa or C. x superba), the Japanese quince, and
the fruit are normal at this time of year and most definitely NOT at
all poisonous.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.
I didn't say japonicas were all poisonous. I said it may be some sort
of japonica and that the fruit from mine is poisonous. Please try and
read what is said and please do not shout.

Regards to you too.
--
June Hughes

In article ,
June Hughes writes:
|
| | It certainly sounds possibly that it may be some sort of japonica to me
| | - mine produces red fruit (which are poisonous) but to have them at this
| | time of year is a bit of a mystery. Ii have not researched japonicas
| | but mine flowers in spring and the fruit is a result. It's all over by
| | May. It is strange that I have nothing in either the RHS books or
| | cookery books.
|
| Eh? "japonica" is a species name. It is normally used for Chaenomeles
| japonica (or C. speciosa or C. x superba), the Japanese quince, and
| the fruit are normal at this time of year and most definitely NOT at
| all poisonous.
|
| I didn't say japonicas were all poisonous. I said it may be some sort
| of japonica and that the fruit from mine is poisonous. Please try and
| read what is said and please do not shout.

You were and are very confused - I will try once more to try to
reduce your confusion.

"Some sort of japonica", in normal usage, can mean only one of the
Chaenomeles. Japonica as the name of a group of plants means that
and nothing else.

While I can grasp the concept of someone categorising all plants
with "japonica" as a specific epithet in a group, it makes no sense
in gardening terms. You would be classifying Paeonia japonica
together with Chaenomeles japonica, for a start.

I don't know what you mean by "some sort of japonica", if you don't
mean Chaenomeles and include something with poisonous fruit, and I
doubt that many other people will, either.

And I recommend reading "Tristram Shandy", for an education into
traditional English typographic conventions.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

Following up to (Nick Maclaren) wrote:

"Some sort of japonica", in normal usage, can mean only one of the
Chaenomeles. Japonica as the name of a group of plants means that
and nothing else.

are there not various "japanese" quinces? I understood the meaning to
be that. I had an ormamental one in the garden for a time.
--
Mike
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In message , Mike....
writes
Following up to (Nick Maclaren) wrote:

"Some sort of japonica", in normal usage, can mean only one of the
Chaenomeles. Japonica as the name of a group of plants means that
and nothing else.

are there not various "japanese" quinces? I understood the meaning to
be that. I had an ormamental one in the garden for a time.

Yes, there are "japanese" quinces. They just happen to be identical to
the plants of genus Chaenomeles. (And they're not poisonous.)

My guess is that June is thinking of Camellia japonica, which does have
fruits of roughly the right shape and size.
--
Stewart Robert Hinsley

In message , Stewart Robert Hinsley
writes
In message , Mike....
writes
Following up to (Nick Maclaren) wrote:

"Some sort of japonica", in normal usage, can mean only one of the
Chaenomeles. Japonica as the name of a group of plants means that
and nothing else.

are there not various "japanese" quinces? I understood the meaning to
be that. I had an ormamental one in the garden for a time.

Yes, there are "japanese" quinces. They just happen to be identical to
the plants of genus Chaenomeles. (And they're not poisonous.)

My guess is that June is thinking of Camellia japonica, which does have
fruits of roughly the right shape and size.
Very possibly. At least you were civil with your answer and I have
learned something. I thank you for that and wish some others could be a
little more pleasant.
--
June Hughes

On 3/12/07 17:00, in article ,
"Mike...." wrote:

Following up to (Nick Maclaren) wrote:

"Some sort of japonica", in normal usage, can mean only one of the
Chaenomeles. Japonica as the name of a group of plants means that
and nothing else.

are there not various "japanese" quinces? I understood the meaning to
be that. I had an ormamental one in the garden for a time.

Japanese quinces are usually understood to be Chaenomeles and then there are
named varieties of that. AFAIK, you can make jelly from them.
Cydonia is the true quince with the large, golden, roughly pear-shaped fruit
- these are real beauties when mature trees but they're not the 'mysterious
fruit' I'm trying to ID.
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

Sacha wrote:
On 3/12/07 17:00, in article
, "Mike...."
wrote:

Following up to (Nick Maclaren) wrote:

"Some sort of japonica", in normal usage, can mean only one of the
Chaenomeles. Japonica as the name of a group of plants means that
and nothing else.

are there not various "japanese" quinces? I understood the meaning to
be that. I had an ormamental one in the garden for a time.

Japanese quinces are usually understood to be Chaenomeles and then
there are named varieties of that. AFAIK, you can make jelly from
them.
Cydonia is the true quince with the large, golden, roughly
pear-shaped fruit - these are real beauties when mature trees but
they're not the 'mysterious fruit' I'm trying to ID.

All this sounds so exotic to me. I tend to grow apples, plums,
blackberries, rhubarb and blackcurrants. We do eat them and I cook with
them. I suppose it is because it is what I grew up with I do try unknown
fruits but somehow I can't get to grips with them.

On Dec 3, 11:20 pm, Sacha wrote:
On 3/12/07 17:00, in article ,

"Mike...." wrote:
Following up to (Nick Maclaren) wrote:

"Some sort of japonica", in normal usage, can mean only one of the
Chaenomeles. Japonica as the name of a group of plants means that
and nothing else.

are there not various "japanese" quinces? I understood the meaning to
be that. I had an ormamental one in the garden for a time.

Japanese quinces are usually understood to be Chaenomeles and then there are
named varieties of that. AFAIK, you can make jelly from them.
Cydonia is the true quince with the large, golden, roughly pear-shaped fruit
- these are real beauties when mature trees but they're not the 'mysterious
fruit' I'm trying to ID.
--
Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

I have some quince in my back garden and I don't have the faintest if
they are edible or not, my husband laughed when I bought quince at the
local greengrocers to make quince jelly for Christmas, he swears we
have the same thing in the garden, but I am not chancing it - with my
slight knowledge - I am bound to get them confused.

In article ,
Stewart Robert Hinsley writes:
|
| You are absolutely correct, do you know that mushrooms can be taken to
| the pharmacy for identification? Out of a whole basket, only one type
| of mine was edible! The others could be eaten, with the exception of
| one sounding like amoneta? but they would taste awful, so the
| pharmacist said. I will stick to buying them in the shop I think.
|
| Amanita. That genus contains several deadly fungi, including the death
| cap, fool's mushroom and destroying angel. Wikipedia claims that Amanita
| accounts for 95% of deaths by mushroom poisoning.

The reason that it is so dangerous is that A. phalloides looks exactly
like a field mushroom (Agaricus campestris) in the button stage.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

On Dec 10, 7:39 pm, (Nick Maclaren) wrote:
In article ,
Stewart Robert Hinsley writes:
|
| You are absolutely correct, do you know that mushrooms can be taken to
| the pharmacy for identification? Out of a whole basket, only one type
| of mine was edible! The others could be eaten, with the exception of
| one sounding like amoneta? but they would taste awful, so the
| pharmacist said. I will stick to buying them in the shop I think.
|
| Amanita. That genus contains several deadly fungi, including the death
| cap, fool's mushroom and destroying angel. Wikipedia claims that Amanita
| accounts for 95% of deaths by mushroom poisoning.

The reason that it is so dangerous is that A. phalloides looks exactly
like a field mushroom (Agaricus campestris) in the button stage.

Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

That's it Nick, next time I will take the pharmicist with me :-)

Following up to (Nick Maclaren) wrote:

And I recommend reading "Tristram Shandy", for an education into
traditional English typographic conventions.

and i recommend you read a book on charm and good manners.
--
Mike
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In message , Nick Maclaren
writes

In article ,
June Hughes writes:
|
| | It certainly sounds possibly that it may be some sort of japonica to me
| | - mine produces red fruit (which are poisonous) but to have them at this
| | time of year is a bit of a mystery. Ii have not researched japonicas
| | but mine flowers in spring and the fruit is a result. It's all over by
| | May. It is strange that I have nothing in either the RHS books or
| | cookery books.
|
| Eh? "japonica" is a species name. It is normally used for Chaenomeles
| japonica (or C. speciosa or C. x superba), the Japanese quince, and
| the fruit are normal at this time of year and most definitely NOT at
| all poisonous.
|
| I didn't say japonicas were all poisonous. I said it may be some sort
| of japonica and that the fruit from mine is poisonous. Please try and
| read what is said and please do not shout.

You were and are very confused - I will try once more to try to
reduce your confusion.

"Some sort of japonica", in normal usage, can mean only one of the
Chaenomeles. Japonica as the name of a group of plants means that
and nothing else.

While I can grasp the concept of someone categorising all plants
with "japonica" as a specific epithet in a group, it makes no sense
in gardening terms. You would be classifying Paeonia japonica
together with Chaenomeles japonica, for a start.

I don't know what you mean by "some sort of japonica", if you don't
mean Chaenomeles and include something with poisonous fruit, and I
doubt that many other people will, either.

And I recommend reading "Tristram Shandy", for an education into
traditional English typographic conventions.

I recommend you learn to be a bit more civil. Pompous is not the word
for you. And BTW, I have read Tristram Shandy. Perhaps you should read
a book on good manners. There are several on the market.

Goodbye.

--
June Hughes