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Martin wrote: On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 19:34:26 +0000, johannes wrote: Nick Maclaren wrote: In article , johannes writes: | | Not my cuppa either. But peas and mint are so far apart in taste that | mint completely spoils the sweet taste of peas. That is not everybody's opinion. There is a very good Levantine dip made of peas, strongly flavoured with mint. | or an uncooked rasher of Dutch bacon butty? | | Another shocking experience is that the British can't seem to keep the | two D-nationalities apart i their head. Peter Schmiechel was once referred | to as "The Flying Dutchman" by a cheeky referee in a BBC TV dancing | competition. I have informed someone that I am Danish, after a while that | very same person will refer to me as Dutch, not only as a guessing presumption, | but as a 100% fact! Good grief. The two countries are so far apart. Really? Compared with Guyana and Georgia? :-) When looked at globally, Denmark and Holland are two of the most similar countries. Oh noooo thye are not! For a start, they speak different languages which are mutually incomprehensible from one another. Yeah right. The only thing in common is that their nationalities start with a "D". Well, they both produce tons of cheese. and bacon. The Danes that I have worked with in Holland could guess Dutch to a certain extent and learnt it quickly. The only reason for this is that the Danes learn foreign languages in school by necessity of being a small country; English, German, French at least. Dutch is as far away from Danish as German. The Danish language belongs to the Scandinavian family of languages. |
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"johannes" wrote The Danes that I have worked with in Holland could guess Dutch to a certain extent and learnt it quickly. The only reason for this is that the Danes learn foreign languages in school by necessity of being a small country; English, German, French at least. Dutch is as far away from Danish as German. The Danish language belongs to the Scandinavian family of languages. The Dutch learn English, French and German at school too and are also pretty quick at picking up other languages..... Dutch and German are indeed similar and Danish has a completely different ring to it :!) Jenny |
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In article , Martin writes: | On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 09:21:22 +0100, "JennyC" wrote: | "johannes" wrote | The Danes that I have worked with in Holland could guess Dutch to a | certain | extent and learnt it quickly. | | The only reason for this is that the Danes learn foreign languages in | school | by necessity of being a small country; English, German, French at least. | Dutch is as far away from Danish as German. The Danish language belongs to | the Scandinavian family of languages. | | The Dutch learn English, French and German at school too and are also pretty | quick at picking up other languages..... | | Dutch and German are indeed similar and Danish has a completely different | ring to it :!) | | It sounds different, but has similar roots. To use a gardening analogy, if we consider languages as angiosperms, Dutch and Danish might be Pyrus communis and Chaenomeles japonica. One's a tree and the other a shrub, but they are closely related. English, of course, is an inter-generic hybrid :-) Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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Martin wrote: On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 09:21:22 +0100, "JennyC" wrote: "johannes" wrote The Danes that I have worked with in Holland could guess Dutch to a certain extent and learnt it quickly. The only reason for this is that the Danes learn foreign languages in school by necessity of being a small country; English, German, French at least. Dutch is as far away from Danish as German. The Danish language belongs to the Scandinavian family of languages. The Dutch learn English, French and German at school too and are also pretty quick at picking up other languages..... Dutch and German are indeed similar and Danish has a completely different ring to it :!) It sounds different, but has similar roots. Similar in a sense that English and Spanish have similar roots. |
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says... Amethyst Deceiver wrote: In article , says... Martin wrote: On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 09:21:22 +0100, "JennyC" wrote: "johannes" wrote The Danes that I have worked with in Holland could guess Dutch to a certain extent and learnt it quickly. The only reason for this is that the Danes learn foreign languages in school by necessity of being a small country; English, German, French at least. Dutch is as far away from Danish as German. The Danish language belongs to the Scandinavian family of languages. The Dutch learn English, French and German at school too and are also pretty quick at picking up other languages..... Dutch and German are indeed similar and Danish has a completely different ring to it :!) It sounds different, but has similar roots. Similar in a sense that English and Spanish have similar roots. Not as similar as the roots of English, Dutch, Danish, German and Swedish. How much language history or linguistics do you know? If you go to that extent, then all language have a common root. It is not And this is the point where you're way off the mark. They don't. surprising that languages have some words in common, I know that the word blomkål or blomkaal is the same in Danish and Dutch. However, the structure of the languages are very different just like Danish and German are different. But they're not. Trust me, I did 5 years of this at university. The scandinavian languages are in the same family, hence I can understand Norwegian and Swedish conversation, although I can't write them correctly.. It really sounds to me like you don't know very much, but never mind. Aw, bless. Just the two degrees, I admit. How many degrees do you have in linguistic studies? |
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Martin wrote: On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 19:00:06 +0000, johannes wrote: Amethyst Deceiver wrote: In article , says... Martin wrote: On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 09:21:22 +0100, "JennyC" wrote: "johannes" wrote The Danes that I have worked with in Holland could guess Dutch to a certain extent and learnt it quickly. The only reason for this is that the Danes learn foreign languages in school by necessity of being a small country; English, German, French at least. Dutch is as far away from Danish as German. The Danish language belongs to the Scandinavian family of languages. The Dutch learn English, French and German at school too and are also pretty quick at picking up other languages..... Dutch and German are indeed similar and Danish has a completely different ring to it :!) It sounds different, but has similar roots. Similar in a sense that English and Spanish have similar roots. Not as similar as the roots of English, Dutch, Danish, German and Swedish. How much language history or linguistics do you know? If you go to that extent, then all language have a common root. It is not surprising that languages have some words in common, I know that the word blomkål or blomkaal is the same in Danish and Dutch. However, the structure of the languages are very different just like Danish and German are different. The scandinavian languages are in the same family, hence I can understand Norwegian and Swedish conversation, although I can't write them correctly. It really sounds to me like you don't know very much, but never mind. How about a change of subject. Where did you find the minted peas? -- Martin Yes, I should have stopped, but the line: "How much language history or linguistics do you know?" got the better of me. I bet that I have been exposed to many more languages. Minted pees? It was in the 1980's. I like mint and I like peas, but in different contexts. |
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Martin wrote: On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 19:14:22 +0000, johannes wrote: Martin wrote: How about a change of subject. Where did you find the minted peas? -- Martin Yes, I should have stopped, but the line: "How much language history or linguistics do you know?" got the better of me. I bet that I have been exposed to many more languages. You certainly know at least one better than most other posters here. It is quite odd to be bilingual. I know both languages to such an extent that I don't have to think about constructing word and sentences, it just comes out. Sometimes I don't even know which language I am speaking, only discovering my mistake when looking at people's faces. Then I have to say: "Sorry, wrong language..." |
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Martin wrote: On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 21:40:46 +0000, johannes wrote: Martin wrote: On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 19:34:26 +0000, johannes wrote: Nick Maclaren wrote: In article , johannes writes: | | Not my cuppa either. But peas and mint are so far apart in taste that | mint completely spoils the sweet taste of peas. That is not everybody's opinion. There is a very good Levantine dip made of peas, strongly flavoured with mint. | or an uncooked rasher of Dutch bacon butty? | | Another shocking experience is that the British can't seem to keep the | two D-nationalities apart i their head. Peter Schmiechel was once referred | to as "The Flying Dutchman" by a cheeky referee in a BBC TV dancing | competition. I have informed someone that I am Danish, after a while that | very same person will refer to me as Dutch, not only as a guessing presumption, | but as a 100% fact! Good grief. The two countries are so far apart. Really? Compared with Guyana and Georgia? :-) When looked at globally, Denmark and Holland are two of the most similar countries. Oh noooo thye are not! For a start, they speak different languages which are mutually incomprehensible from one another. Yeah right. The only thing in common is that their nationalities start with a "D". Well, they both produce tons of cheese. and bacon. The Danes that I have worked with in Holland could guess Dutch to a certain extent and learnt it quickly. The only reason for this is that the Danes learn foreign languages in school by necessity of being a small country; English, German, French at least. Dutch is as far away from Danish as German. The Danish language belongs to the Scandinavian family of languages. Friesland was part of Denmark at one time. Not to my knowledge. When was that may I ask? |
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Martin wrote: On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 18:05:05 +0000, Johannes Andersen wrote: Friesland was part of Denmark at one time. Not to my knowledge. When was that may I ask? The 9th Century. There was a map on a wall in Kronborg Castle, when I visited it in the 1970s showing Friesland, as part of Denmark. http://www.boudicca.de/frisian2.htm "Viking raids and Danish rule (800 - 1014 A.D.) In 807 A.D. a war starts between Charlemagne and the Danish king Godfried. Godfried raids Friesland with a fleet of 200 ships, mocking the Frankish defenses. Shortly after Godfried dies (810 A.D.). After Godfrieds death, the Danish raids concentrate mostly on the British Isles and less upon Friesland. After the death of the Frankish emperor Lewis the Pious in 840 A.D., the Carolinian defense of Friesland had collapsed. Since there was no Frisian King to organize a defensive force, the Danish raids on this Carolinian outpost intensified. And in the rest of the 9th century the Frisians frequently lived under Danish rule and had to pay taxes to the Danish feudal-tenants. The Danes forced the weakened Carolinian Kings to give them Friesland as a feudal estate. Feudal tenants in Friesland we * Harald (840 - 844 A.D.) * Rorik and Godfried (844 - 857 A.D.) * Rorik (a Christian) (862 -872 A.D.) * Godfried (881 - 885 A.D.) In 885 the last Scandinavian ruler of Friesland, Godfried the Norwegian, is murdered and the ruling Danes are evicted from Friesland by the Frisians. The great tidal waves of Heathenistic Viking raids (sometimes accompanied with occupation) in Friesland, had come to an end. Smaller raids still took place until 1014 A.D. when the Christian Knut the Great became king of Denmark, Norway and England." -- Martin Well, it was a very short period then, when the Vikings roamed and terrorised many countries. Perhaps we should claim that England is 'really' Danish... |
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Martin wrote: On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 18:35:47 +0000, johannes wrote: Martin wrote: On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 18:05:05 +0000, Johannes Andersen wrote: Friesland was part of Denmark at one time. Not to my knowledge. When was that may I ask? The 9th Century. There was a map on a wall in Kronborg Castle, when I visited it in the 1970s showing Friesland, as part of Denmark. http://www.boudicca.de/frisian2.htm "Viking raids and Danish rule (800 - 1014 A.D.) In 807 A.D. a war starts between Charlemagne and the Danish king Godfried. Godfried raids Friesland with a fleet of 200 ships, mocking the Frankish defenses. Shortly after Godfried dies (810 A.D.). After Godfrieds death, the Danish raids concentrate mostly on the British Isles and less upon Friesland. After the death of the Frankish emperor Lewis the Pious in 840 A.D., the Carolinian defense of Friesland had collapsed. Since there was no Frisian King to organize a defensive force, the Danish raids on this Carolinian outpost intensified. And in the rest of the 9th century the Frisians frequently lived under Danish rule and had to pay taxes to the Danish feudal-tenants. The Danes forced the weakened Carolinian Kings to give them Friesland as a feudal estate. Feudal tenants in Friesland we * Harald (840 - 844 A.D.) * Rorik and Godfried (844 - 857 A.D.) * Rorik (a Christian) (862 -872 A.D.) * Godfried (881 - 885 A.D.) In 885 the last Scandinavian ruler of Friesland, Godfried the Norwegian, is murdered and the ruling Danes are evicted from Friesland by the Frisians. The great tidal waves of Heathenistic Viking raids (sometimes accompanied with occupation) in Friesland, had come to an end. Smaller raids still took place until 1014 A.D. when the Christian Knut the Great became king of Denmark, Norway and England." -- Martin Well, it was a very short period then, when the Vikings roamed and terrorised many countries. Perhaps we should claim that England is 'really' Danish... Nobody said that Friesland *is* Danish. Odd that I know more about Danish history than you. That was before my time. History was never a great subject for me. All that tribal nonsense, see where it gets you. I'm citizen of the planet. Next time I will just look it wikipedia. |
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