Rusty Hinge 2 wrote:
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Insurance companies are clever at finding ways to avoid a payout.

Yes, this is the only reason I could find for not doing the job myself.

Has anyone any actual direct experience of an insurance company
refusing to pay up because there wasn't *paperwork* for an electrical
installation in a domestic property?

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Chris Green

Pete Stockdale writes

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Gordon H wrote:
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There is only one safe way to do it. Get a qualified electrician
to lay a preferably armoured cable, that's what I did for an 8ft run
to my garage. It doesn't need to be 3ft deep, but I covered the
cable with small hardcore, then a couple of inches of concrete which
a spade or fork will not penetrate!
snippy

May I suggest you run the armoured cable through something like inch & a
half waste pipe, so cable can be withdrawn if needed,

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You can also run a water pipe through it - even more essential to plant life
than the leccy !

And also a piece of plastic string, so that if at a later stage you want
to run anything else through it, you can, by tying it (and a replacement
piece of string) on to the string and pulling.
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Kay

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You can also run a water pipe through it - even more essential to plant
life
than the leccy !

And also a piece of plastic string, so that if at a later stage you want
to run anything else through it, you can, by tying it (and a replacement
piece of string) on to the string and pulling.



Excellent thought.

Phone wire
Gas pipe
Oil pipe ---
all then become easy additions if required later.
I would definitely go for a 4 inch dia. pipe minimum, but would probably opt
for standard underground gauge sewer pipe.

Regards
Pete
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You can also run a water pipe through it - even more essential to
plant life
than the leccy !

Together?

Your house is no doubt absolutely full of places where there is wiring
adjacent to pipe work.

Any underground wiring will almost inevitably be effectively 'under
water' at times whether you just bury it, or put it in a conduit.
Having a water pipe in the same conduit will not really affect its
safety at all.

Maybe not, but officialdom doesn't think logically. And in sewer ants
only think logically when it's in their (financial) interest.

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Rusty
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Insurance companies are clever at finding ways to avoid a payout.

Yes, this is the only reason I could find for not doing the job myself.

Has anyone any actual direct experience of an insurance company
refusing to pay up because there wasn't *paperwork* for an electrical
installation in a domestic property?

I'll let you look for that.

I'm just naturall mistrustful.

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You can also run a water pipe through it - even more essential to
plant life
than the leccy !

And also a piece of plastic string, so that if at a later stage you want
to run anything else through it, you can, by tying it (and a replacement
piece of string) on to the string and pulling.

Nah, just tie another string to the head of the thing you're pulling
through. (One of the authors of silly regulations?)

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You can also run a water pipe through it - even more essential to plant
life
than the leccy !

And also a piece of plastic string, so that if at a later stage you want
to run anything else through it, you can, by tying it (and a replacement
piece of string) on to the string and pulling.

Excellent thought.

Phone wire
Gas pipe
Oil pipe ---
all then become easy additions if required later.
I would definitely go for a 4 inch dia. pipe minimum, but would
probably opt
for standard underground gauge sewer pipe.

However, it is illegal to run gas and electricity through the same
service pipe.

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Excellent thought.

Phone wire
Gas pipe
Oil pipe ---
all then become easy additions if required later.
I would definitely go for a 4 inch dia. pipe minimum, but would
probably opt
for standard underground gauge sewer pipe.

However, it is illegal to run gas and electricity through the same
service pipe.


Have to install pipe No 2 then - no prob !

Pete

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However, it is illegal to run gas and electricity through the same
service pipe.

And under the highway and footpaths the conduits are colour coded.
Gas is yellow, water is blue. I can't remember the rest...
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Insurance companies are clever at finding ways to avoid a payout.

Yes, this is the only reason I could find for not doing the job myself.

Has anyone any actual direct experience of an insurance company
refusing to pay up because there wasn't *paperwork* for an electrical
installation in a domestic property?

I'll let you look for that.

I'm just naturall mistrustful.

I thought as much, no evidence at all except possible "a bloke down
the pub told me". :-)

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Chris Green

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However, it is illegal to run gas and electricity through the same
service pipe.

And under the highway and footpaths the conduits are colour coded.
Gas is yellow, water is blue. I can't remember the rest...

I think electrickery is black - the cable they laid here this summer
was, anyway.

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Insurance companies are clever at finding ways to avoid a payout.

Yes, this is the only reason I could find for not doing the job
myself.

Has anyone any actual direct experience of an insurance company
refusing to pay up because there wasn't *paperwork* for an electrical
installation in a domestic property?

I'll let you look for that.

I'm just naturall mistrustful.

I thought as much, no evidence at all except possible "a bloke down
the pub told me". :-)

You asked has 'anyone any actual direct experience of an insurance
company refusing to pay up because there wasn't paperwork* for an
electrical installation in a domestic property?'

Well, I'm not in receipt of such information, and I don't propose to
spend the rest of my life researching it.

I prefer the easy option of not poking them with a sharp stick.

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Rusty Hinge 2 wrote:
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from Gordon H contains these
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Insurance companies are clever at finding ways to avoid a payout.

Yes, this is the only reason I could find for not doing the job
myself.

Has anyone any actual direct experience of an insurance company
refusing to pay up because there wasn't *paperwork* for an electrical
installation in a domestic property?

I'll let you look for that.

I'm just naturall mistrustful.

I thought as much, no evidence at all except possible "a bloke down
the pub told me". :-)

You asked has 'anyone any actual direct experience of an insurance
company refusing to pay up because there wasn't paperwork* for an
electrical installation in a domestic property?'

Well, I'm not in receipt of such information, and I don't propose to
spend the rest of my life researching it.

I prefer the easy option of not poking them with a sharp stick.

Ah, but on that basis you might not poke *me* with a sharp stick in
case I sue you for slander or something.

I don't propose to go through life not doing things that *might* *possibly*
go wrong unless anyone can show me some vaguely believable evidence
that something will go wrong.

.... and I wasn't asking only you, there's a big audience here and so
far no on has offered any real case of an insurance company not paying
up because a householder didn't have some electrical test paperwork.

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Chris Green

I don't know many people who do fancy being poked with a sharp stick, but we are all entitled to express our opinions.

I prefer to play the jobsworths at their own game, what I'd call covering my own butt, so by all means do it yourself. Just be sure you do a sound, safe job.
Then get a friendly sparky to check it over and sign your paper for the price of a couple of pints.

That way everyone is happy.

for Info:
1) All outside cable must be protected at source by a RCD (elcb) (this applies to areas using TN-C-S (PME) supplies, for TN-C you will need to check the regs)

2) All cable below arms reach must be in a conduit OR armoured.

3) Underground cable must be in either METAL conduit or armoured

4) It must be buried no shallower than (just) below spade depth AND covered with plastic warning tape. pipes are not required.

5) Armoured cable must be terminated correctly so as the outer steel sheathing is properly earthed (special terminating glands are available to do this easily)

6) The up side is that providing you use XLPE cable then for a 20 amp supply you only need 1.5mm csa cable which is cheaper.