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Hi all

I know this is a recurring theme on this group - methods for repelling our
feline "friends".
Was wondering whether repeated chase-outs actually result in the offending
creature learning that a garden is a no-go-zone.

No.

If so, what level of deterrent is necessary?

Find a chemical distributor and get a canister of aluminium ammonium
sulphate. Sprinkle the crystals on the ground where they go.

The chemical breaks down into garden-friendly compounds, and the cats
smell something humans can't.

Simple chasing out at high speed whenever they are sighted
Chasing and soft missiles - e.g. wet mud
Catapult with hard missiles
Well directed water (I'm considering one of those high powered kids water
gun things ATM)

From what I've read in this group, the retail concoctions and electronic
gizmos aren't worth bothering with.

True.

--
Rusty
Growing old is mandatory; growing up is optional.
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Rusty_Hinge wrote:
The message
from "TheScullster" contains these words:

Hi all

I know this is a recurring theme on this group - methods for repelling
our feline "friends".
Was wondering whether repeated chase-outs actually result in the
offending creature learning that a garden is a no-go-zone.

No.

If so, what level of deterrent is necessary?

Find a chemical distributor and get a canister of aluminium ammonium
sulphate. Sprinkle the crystals on the ground where they go.

I've always understood that chemical distributors will not supply to the
general public ('elf & safety, and all that. And, of course, liability).

But that only seems to apply to the UK. An acquaintance in France who like
growing Proteaceae has trouble with an very alkaline water supply. His
solution is to acidify it with dilute nitric acid, which he makes from the
containers of umpteen litres of concentrated nitric acid he buys! Try doing
that over here.


--
Jeff

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from "Jeff Layman" contains these words:
Rusty_Hinge wrote:
The message
from "TheScullster" contains these words:

Hi all

I know this is a recurring theme on this group - methods for repelling
our feline "friends".
Was wondering whether repeated chase-outs actually result in the
offending creature learning that a garden is a no-go-zone.

No.

If so, what level of deterrent is necessary?

Find a chemical distributor and get a canister of aluminium ammonium
sulphate. Sprinkle the crystals on the ground where they go.

I've always understood that chemical distributors will not supply to the
general public ('elf & safety, and all that. And, of course, liability).

That's where I got mine. I also got a lot of things (in bulk) which sent
local chemists into a tizz - Spirits of salt, and various other
chemicals - potassium dichromate, oxalic acid, oh, and lots more.

You can go and get fuming spirits of salt from hardware shops - assuming
you go in wearing yer long trousis...

But that only seems to apply to the UK. An acquaintance in France who like
growing Proteaceae has trouble with an very alkaline water supply. His
solution is to acidify it with dilute nitric acid, which he makes from the
containers of umpteen litres of concentrated nitric acid he buys! Try
doing
that over here.

I don't think there'd be a problem if you bought it in bulk from a
distributer - just from a chemist. I had the devil's own job to persuade
a chemist he could sell me a fluid ounce of diethyl ether, so long as it
had the correct label. In the end he looked it up (so he could show me i
was wrong) and - oops!

Now if you were to ask for sulphuric acid as well as the nitric, and a
certain sugar derivative, you might find your collar being felt.

--
Rusty
Growing old is mandatory; growing up is optional.
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"Rusty_Hinge" wrote in message
. uk...
The message
from "Jeff Layman" contains these words:
Rusty_Hinge wrote:
The message
from "TheScullster" contains these words:

Hi all

I know this is a recurring theme on this group - methods for repelling
our feline "friends".
Was wondering whether repeated chase-outs actually result in the
offending creature learning that a garden is a no-go-zone.

No.

If so, what level of deterrent is necessary?

Find a chemical distributor and get a canister of aluminium ammonium
sulphate. Sprinkle the crystals on the ground where they go.

I've always understood that chemical distributors will not supply to the
general public ('elf & safety, and all that. And, of course, liability).

That's where I got mine. I also got a lot of things (in bulk) which sent
local chemists into a tizz - Spirits of salt, and various other
chemicals - potassium dichromate, oxalic acid, oh, and lots more.

You can go and get fuming spirits of salt from hardware shops - assuming
you go in wearing yer long trousis...

But that only seems to apply to the UK. An acquaintance in France who
like
growing Proteaceae has trouble with an very alkaline water supply. His
solution is to acidify it with dilute nitric acid, which he makes from
the
containers of umpteen litres of concentrated nitric acid he buys! Try
doing
that over here.

I don't think there'd be a problem if you bought it in bulk from a
distributer - just from a chemist. I had the devil's own job to persuade
a chemist he could sell me a fluid ounce of diethyl ether, so long as it
had the correct label. In the end he looked it up (so he could show me i
was wrong) and - oops!

Now if you were to ask for sulphuric acid as well as the nitric, and a
certain sugar derivative, you might find your collar being felt.


My local chemist who I have known for years won't sell me oxalic acid (which
I want to use for bleaching old linen and cotton fabrics) because it's no
longer permitted. It used to be, in the days when we were treated as
adults.

someone

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from "someone" contains these words:

My local chemist who I have known for years won't sell me oxalic acid
(which
I want to use for bleaching old linen and cotton fabrics) because it's no
longer permitted. It used to be, in the days when we were treated as
adults.

I shall probably boil down rhubarb leaves and bleach the liquor - I want
it for removing iron stains from wood.

--
Rusty
Growing old is mandatory; growing up is optional.
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"Rusty_Hinge" wrote in message
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The message
from "Jeff Layman" contains these words:
Rusty_Hinge wrote:
The message
from "TheScullster" contains these words:

Hi all

I know this is a recurring theme on this group - methods for
repelling
our feline "friends".
Was wondering whether repeated chase-outs actually result in the
offending creature learning that a garden is a no-go-zone.

No.

If so, what level of deterrent is necessary?

Find a chemical distributor and get a canister of aluminium ammonium
sulphate. Sprinkle the crystals on the ground where they go.

I've always understood that chemical distributors will not supply to the
general public ('elf & safety, and all that. And, of course, liability).

That's where I got mine. I also got a lot of things (in bulk) which sent
local chemists into a tizz - Spirits of salt, and various other
chemicals - potassium dichromate, oxalic acid, oh, and lots more.

You can go and get fuming spirits of salt from hardware shops - assuming
you go in wearing yer long trousis...

But that only seems to apply to the UK. An acquaintance in France who
like
growing Proteaceae has trouble with an very alkaline water supply. His
solution is to acidify it with dilute nitric acid, which he makes from
the
containers of umpteen litres of concentrated nitric acid he buys! Try
doing
that over here.

I don't think there'd be a problem if you bought it in bulk from a
distributer - just from a chemist. I had the devil's own job to persuade
a chemist he could sell me a fluid ounce of diethyl ether, so long as it
had the correct label. In the end he looked it up (so he could show me i
was wrong) and - oops!

Now if you were to ask for sulphuric acid as well as the nitric, and a
certain sugar derivative, you might find your collar being felt.


My local chemist who I have known for years won't sell me oxalic acid
(which I want to use for bleaching old linen and cotton fabrics) because
it's no longer permitted. It used to be, in the days when we were treated
as adults.



I think it has more to do with restricting chemicals which can be used for
homemade explosives.


mark

The message
from "mark" contains these words:

My local chemist who I have known for years won't sell me oxalic acid
(which I want to use for bleaching old linen and cotton fabrics) because
it's no longer permitted. It used to be, in the days when we were
treated
as adults.


I think it has more to do with restricting chemicals which can be used for
homemade explosives.

Oxalic acid can't.

And I don't notice any restriction in buying flour, sugar etc.

--
Rusty
Growing old is mandatory; growing up is optional.
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Somewhere on teh intarwebs someone wrote:
My local chemist who I have known for years won't sell me oxalic acid
(which I want to use for bleaching old linen and cotton fabrics)
because it's no longer permitted. It used to be, in the days when we
were treated as adults.

My local council give 2 litre containers of the stuff away to anyone who
asks as they have problems with rusty water sometimes. You just have to sign
a book and supply your address (to prove you're on town supply water).

Mind you, I live in New Zealand....
--
Shaun.

"Build a man a fire, and he`ll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and
he`ll be warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchett, Jingo.

Rusty_Hinge wrote:
The message
from "Jeff Layman" contains these words:
Rusty_Hinge wrote:
The message
from "TheScullster" contains these words:

Hi all

I know this is a recurring theme on this group - methods for repelling
our feline "friends".
Was wondering whether repeated chase-outs actually result in the
offending creature learning that a garden is a no-go-zone.

No.

If so, what level of deterrent is necessary?

Find a chemical distributor and get a canister of aluminium ammonium
sulphate. Sprinkle the crystals on the ground where they go.

I've always understood that chemical distributors will not supply to the
general public ('elf & safety, and all that. And, of course, liability).

That's where I got mine. I also got a lot of things (in bulk) which sent
local chemists into a tizz - Spirits of salt, and various other
chemicals - potassium dichromate, oxalic acid, oh, and lots more.

But were these sent to a business address or simply a personal home address?


You can go and get fuming spirits of salt from hardware shops - assuming
you go in wearing yer long trousis...

Oh yes - I was amazed when conc hydrochloric acid ("Spirits of salt")
reappeared after many years of absence, and absolutely dumbfounded when conc
sulphuric acid appeared as a drain unblocker. I expect this was an EC
ruling.


But that only seems to apply to the UK. An acquaintance in France who
like growing Proteaceae has trouble with an very alkaline water supply.
His solution is to acidify it with dilute nitric acid, which he makes
from the containers of umpteen litres of concentrated nitric acid he
buys! Try doing
that over here.

I don't think there'd be a problem if you bought it in bulk from a
distributer - just from a chemist. I had the devil's own job to persuade
a chemist he could sell me a fluid ounce of diethyl ether, so long as it
had the correct label. In the end he looked it up (so he could show me i
was wrong) and - oops!

Now if you were to ask for sulphuric acid as well as the nitric, and a
certain sugar derivative, you might find your collar being felt.

I doubt it, but if the delivery van parked on a double yellow line, the
judges black cap might come out!

--
Jeff

The message
from "Jeff Layman" contains these words:

/chemicals/

That's where I got mine. I also got a lot of things (in bulk) which sent
local chemists into a tizz - Spirits of salt, and various other
chemicals - potassium dichromate, oxalic acid, oh, and lots more.

But were these sent to a business address or simply a personal home address?

Neither - I went and collected them in my car.


You can go and get fuming spirits of salt from hardware shops - assuming
you go in wearing yer long trousis...

Oh yes - I was amazed when conc hydrochloric acid ("Spirits of salt")
reappeared after many years of absence, and absolutely dumbfounded
when conc
sulphuric acid appeared as a drain unblocker. I expect this was an EC
ruling.

Dunno - I've often had a use for oleum (Conc. Sulphuric acid) caustic
soda, spirits of salt, spirits of nitre (conc. nitric) certain cyanides,
and still have, for most.

But that only seems to apply to the UK. An acquaintance in France who
like growing Proteaceae has trouble with an very alkaline water supply.
His solution is to acidify it with dilute nitric acid, which he makes
from the containers of umpteen litres of concentrated nitric acid he
buys! Try doing
that over here.

I don't think there'd be a problem if you bought it in bulk from a
distributer - just from a chemist. I had the devil's own job to persuade
a chemist he could sell me a fluid ounce of diethyl ether, so long as it
had the correct label. In the end he looked it up (so he could show me i
was wrong) and - oops!

Now if you were to ask for sulphuric acid as well as the nitric, and a
certain sugar derivative, you might find your collar being felt.

I doubt it, but if the delivery van parked on a double yellow line, the
judges black cap might come out!

Sulphuric, nitric, and the certain sugar derivative all purchased at the
same time would attract a swat-squad like - ahem! - er - jam attracts
wasps.

--
Rusty
Growing old is mandatory; growing up is optional.
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Martin wrote:
On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:57:58 -0000, "Jeff Layman"

Oh yes - I was amazed when conc hydrochloric acid ("Spirits of salt")
reappeared after many years of absence, and absolutely dumbfounded when
conc sulphuric acid appeared as a drain unblocker. I expect this was an
EC ruling.

EU/1911225/af/en Directive for the unblocking of British drains using
imported premium lager that the locals refuse to drink.

LOL!

--
Jeff

"Martin" wrote in message
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On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 11:08:53 -0000, "Jeff Layman"

wrote:

Martin wrote:
On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:57:58 -0000, "Jeff Layman"

Oh yes - I was amazed when conc hydrochloric acid ("Spirits of salt")
reappeared after many years of absence, and absolutely dumbfounded when
conc sulphuric acid appeared as a drain unblocker. I expect this was
an
EC ruling.

EU/1911225/af/en Directive for the unblocking of British drains using
imported premium lager that the locals refuse to drink.

LOL!

The makers of a drain cleaner that reaches parts that others can't is
launching a cider named Charli in UK this summer.

http://www.brandrepublic.com/News/73...-Charli-cider/


but will it kill aphids too?

Surely the real test of drinkability is whether, when you put it in a slug
trap, the slugs happily climb in or give it a wide berth :-}

--
Kathy
Who uses cheap bitter in her slug traps.