"lloyd" wrote in message
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On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 18:12:20 +0100, "Christina Websell"
wrote:


"Derek Turner" wrote in message
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On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 21:22:05 +0100, lloyd wrote:

Anything we can do to encourage the hedgehogs, but not the rats from
visiting the garden? I have both

1. Terrier from working lines.
2. Huge cat.


Yes get some terrier men in.for your rats. Mine come about every six
weeks
to sort them out.
I do have a huge cat, but he's a bit of a wuss about tackling the big ones
with the brown chisel teeth. He sorts out the small ones, no problem, but
those big ones, they're a job for the terriers, he claims ;-)
And he's right. some of the big ones even give the terriers a run for
their
money, antiseptic needed to dab their bleeding noses where they've been
well
bitten by a big rat. They don't seem to mind though, it seems to make
them
more determined..

Tina

That sounds completely horrid. Why should anyone want to kill a rat
just because it's a rat, is that a crime for the poor beast to be a
rat? And if you feel you really must kill them why do it in such a
nasty way! I dread to think what you feel we should do with our feral
children.


They are not just rats though. They are a danger to health and that is why
local authority pest control officers will come and get rid of them for
free.

mark

"mark" wrote in message
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"lloyd" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 18:12:20 +0100, "Christina Websell"
wrote:


"Derek Turner" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 21:22:05 +0100, lloyd wrote:

Anything we can do to encourage the hedgehogs, but not the rats from
visiting the garden? I have both

1. Terrier from working lines.
2. Huge cat.


Yes get some terrier men in.for your rats. Mine come about every six
weeks
to sort them out.
I do have a huge cat, but he's a bit of a wuss about tackling the big
ones
with the brown chisel teeth. He sorts out the small ones, no problem, but
those big ones, they're a job for the terriers, he claims ;-)
And he's right. some of the big ones even give the terriers a run for
their
money, antiseptic needed to dab their bleeding noses where they've been
well
bitten by a big rat. They don't seem to mind though, it seems to make
them
more determined..

Tina

That sounds completely horrid. Why should anyone want to kill a rat
just because it's a rat, is that a crime for the poor beast to be a
rat? And if you feel you really must kill them why do it in such a
nasty way! I dread to think what you feel we should do with our feral
children.


They are not just rats though. They are a danger to health and that is why
local authority pest control officers will come and get rid of them for
free.

I agree with that except for the bit which says the pest control officers
will get rid of them for free, we had to pay a large sum to have them come
and get rid of those we had.

Alan

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"mark" wrote in message
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"lloyd" wrote in message
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On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 18:12:20 +0100, "Christina Websell"
wrote:


"Derek Turner" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 21:22:05 +0100, lloyd wrote:

Anything we can do to encourage the hedgehogs, but not the rats from
visiting the garden? I have both

1. Terrier from working lines.
2. Huge cat.


Yes get some terrier men in.for your rats. Mine come about every six
weeks
to sort them out.
I do have a huge cat, but he's a bit of a wuss about tackling the big
ones
with the brown chisel teeth. He sorts out the small ones, no problem,
but
those big ones, they're a job for the terriers, he claims ;-)
And he's right. some of the big ones even give the terriers a run for
their
money, antiseptic needed to dab their bleeding noses where they've been
well
bitten by a big rat. They don't seem to mind though, it seems to make
them
more determined..

Tina

That sounds completely horrid. Why should anyone want to kill a rat
just because it's a rat, is that a crime for the poor beast to be a
rat? And if you feel you really must kill them why do it in such a
nasty way! I dread to think what you feel we should do with our feral
children.


They are not just rats though. They are a danger to health and that is
why local authority pest control officers will come and get rid of them
for free.

I agree with that except for the bit which says the pest control officers
will get rid of them for free, we had to pay a large sum to have them come
and get rid of those we had.

Alan

It's a non chargeable service in this neck of the woods.

Some info about rats:
http://www.broadland.gov.uk/environment/1080.asp

mark

On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 19:25:40 +0100, "mark"
wrote:


"lloyd" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 18:12:20 +0100, "Christina Websell"
wrote:


"Derek Turner" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 21:22:05 +0100, lloyd wrote:

Anything we can do to encourage the hedgehogs, but not the rats from
visiting the garden? I have both

1. Terrier from working lines.
2. Huge cat.


Yes get some terrier men in.for your rats. Mine come about every six
weeks
to sort them out.
I do have a huge cat, but he's a bit of a wuss about tackling the big ones
with the brown chisel teeth. He sorts out the small ones, no problem, but
those big ones, they're a job for the terriers, he claims ;-)
And he's right. some of the big ones even give the terriers a run for
their
money, antiseptic needed to dab their bleeding noses where they've been
well
bitten by a big rat. They don't seem to mind though, it seems to make
them
more determined..

Tina

That sounds completely horrid. Why should anyone want to kill a rat
just because it's a rat, is that a crime for the poor beast to be a
rat? And if you feel you really must kill them why do it in such a
nasty way! I dread to think what you feel we should do with our feral
children.


They are not just rats though. They are a danger to health

No more so than many other animals or insects such as hedgehogs,
pigeons, flies, deer. In fact the world can be a flilthy place and
much of it down to ourselves. I find washing your hands regularly and
the food preperation surfaces will suffice. Fingers crossed.
The pest control hype continues to rake in billions, I'm surprised we
have not caught on yet.

I don't see how one can complain about rats and yet ignore the other
wildlife and insects. Even the soil with it's natural toxins. We can't
run away from everything. Makes you wonder how we ever got this far
from the trees.

"lloyd" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 19:25:40 +0100, "mark"
wrote:


"lloyd" wrote in message
. ..
On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 18:12:20 +0100, "Christina Websell"
wrote:


"Derek Turner" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 21:22:05 +0100, lloyd wrote:

Anything we can do to encourage the hedgehogs, but not the rats from
visiting the garden? I have both

1. Terrier from working lines.
2. Huge cat.


Yes get some terrier men in.for your rats. Mine come about every six
weeks
to sort them out.
I do have a huge cat, but he's a bit of a wuss about tackling the big
ones
with the brown chisel teeth. He sorts out the small ones, no problem,
but
those big ones, they're a job for the terriers, he claims ;-)
And he's right. some of the big ones even give the terriers a run for
their
money, antiseptic needed to dab their bleeding noses where they've been
well
bitten by a big rat. They don't seem to mind though, it seems to make
them
more determined..

Tina

That sounds completely horrid. Why should anyone want to kill a rat
just because it's a rat, is that a crime for the poor beast to be a
rat? And if you feel you really must kill them why do it in such a
nasty way! I dread to think what you feel we should do with our feral
children.


They are not just rats though. They are a danger to health

No more so than many other animals or insects such as hedgehogs,
pigeons, flies, deer. In fact the world can be a flilthy place and
much of it down to ourselves. I find washing your hands regularly and
the food preperation surfaces will suffice. Fingers crossed.
The pest control hype continues to rake in billions, I'm surprised we
have not caught on yet.

I don't see how one can complain about rats and yet ignore the other
wildlife and insects. Even the soil with it's natural toxins. We can't
run away from everything. Makes you wonder how we ever got this far
from the trees.


So by your own argument why do you want to deter rats?


mark

On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 20:36:31 +0100, "mark"
wrote:


"lloyd" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 19:25:40 +0100, "mark"
wrote:


"lloyd" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 18:12:20 +0100, "Christina Websell"
wrote:


"Derek Turner" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 21:22:05 +0100, lloyd wrote:

Anything we can do to encourage the hedgehogs, but not the rats from
visiting the garden? I have both

1. Terrier from working lines.
2. Huge cat.


Yes get some terrier men in.for your rats. Mine come about every six
weeks
to sort them out.
I do have a huge cat, but he's a bit of a wuss about tackling the big
ones
with the brown chisel teeth. He sorts out the small ones, no problem,
but
those big ones, they're a job for the terriers, he claims ;-)
And he's right. some of the big ones even give the terriers a run for
their
money, antiseptic needed to dab their bleeding noses where they've been
well
bitten by a big rat. They don't seem to mind though, it seems to make
them
more determined..

Tina

That sounds completely horrid. Why should anyone want to kill a rat
just because it's a rat, is that a crime for the poor beast to be a
rat? And if you feel you really must kill them why do it in such a
nasty way! I dread to think what you feel we should do with our feral
children.


They are not just rats though. They are a danger to health

No more so than many other animals or insects such as hedgehogs,
pigeons, flies, deer. In fact the world can be a flilthy place and
much of it down to ourselves. I find washing your hands regularly and
the food preperation surfaces will suffice. Fingers crossed.
The pest control hype continues to rake in billions, I'm surprised we
have not caught on yet.

I don't see how one can complain about rats and yet ignore the other
wildlife and insects. Even the soil with it's natural toxins. We can't
run away from everything. Makes you wonder how we ever got this far
from the trees.


So by your own argument why do you want to deter rats?

They give me the heebie jeebies, probably as a result of years of bad
unjustified press. Mind you many have them as pets, and they are very
intelligent animals. I don't mind the odd few clearing up the scraps
from my seed feeders, and I certainly don't mind seeing them as wild
creatures. It would be nice to put down some groundfood for the
hedgehogs and other ground feeders, but I don't wish to encourage too
many rats.

"lloyd" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 19:25:40 +0100, "mark"
wrote:


"lloyd" wrote in message
. ..
On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 18:12:20 +0100, "Christina Websell"
wrote:


"Derek Turner" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 21:22:05 +0100, lloyd wrote:

Anything we can do to encourage the hedgehogs, but not the rats from
visiting the garden? I have both

1. Terrier from working lines.
2. Huge cat.


Yes get some terrier men in.for your rats. Mine come about every six
weeks
to sort them out.
I do have a huge cat, but he's a bit of a wuss about tackling the big
ones
with the brown chisel teeth. He sorts out the small ones, no problem,
but
those big ones, they're a job for the terriers, he claims ;-)
And he's right. some of the big ones even give the terriers a run for
their
money, antiseptic needed to dab their bleeding noses where they've been
well
bitten by a big rat. They don't seem to mind though, it seems to make
them
more determined..

Tina

That sounds completely horrid. Why should anyone want to kill a rat
just because it's a rat, is that a crime for the poor beast to be a
rat? And if you feel you really must kill them why do it in such a
nasty way! I dread to think what you feel we should do with our feral
children.


They are not just rats though. They are a danger to health

No more so than many other animals or insects such as hedgehogs,
pigeons, flies, deer.

Yes, they are, they carry Weils disease through their urine and if you pick
it up from them you can kiss your kidneys goodbye. Why do you think the
local council will come out to kill them for you?

Tina

On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 21:46:00 +0100, "Christina Websell"
wrote:


"lloyd" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 19:25:40 +0100, "mark"
wrote:


"lloyd" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 18:12:20 +0100, "Christina Websell"
wrote:


"Derek Turner" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 21:22:05 +0100, lloyd wrote:

Anything we can do to encourage the hedgehogs, but not the rats from
visiting the garden? I have both

1. Terrier from working lines.
2. Huge cat.


Yes get some terrier men in.for your rats. Mine come about every six
weeks
to sort them out.
I do have a huge cat, but he's a bit of a wuss about tackling the big
ones
with the brown chisel teeth. He sorts out the small ones, no problem,
but
those big ones, they're a job for the terriers, he claims ;-)
And he's right. some of the big ones even give the terriers a run for
their
money, antiseptic needed to dab their bleeding noses where they've been
well
bitten by a big rat. They don't seem to mind though, it seems to make
them
more determined..

Tina

That sounds completely horrid. Why should anyone want to kill a rat
just because it's a rat, is that a crime for the poor beast to be a
rat? And if you feel you really must kill them why do it in such a
nasty way! I dread to think what you feel we should do with our feral
children.


They are not just rats though. They are a danger to health

No more so than many other animals or insects such as hedgehogs,
pigeons, flies, deer.

Yes, they are, they carry Weils disease through their urine

No *they* don't. They *can* carry it but then so can many animals
including dogs and cats. Even slaughterhouse workers have been known
to catch it.

and if you pick
it up from them you can kiss your kidneys goodbye.

Rubbish, though it can happen.

Why do you think the
local council will come out to kill them for you?

Old habits die hard and I suppose they need to waste our taxes on
something. The best salesmen in the world are pest control companies.
The most gullible buyers are the public.

"lloyd" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 21:46:00 +0100, "Christina Websell"
wrote:


"lloyd" wrote in message
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On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 19:25:40 +0100, "mark"
wrote:


"lloyd" wrote in message
m...
On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 18:12:20 +0100, "Christina Websell"
wrote:


"Derek Turner" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 21:22:05 +0100, lloyd wrote:

Anything we can do to encourage the hedgehogs, but not the rats
from
visiting the garden? I have both

1. Terrier from working lines.
2. Huge cat.


Yes get some terrier men in.for your rats. Mine come about every six
weeks
to sort them out.
I do have a huge cat, but he's a bit of a wuss about tackling the big
ones
with the brown chisel teeth. He sorts out the small ones, no problem,
but
those big ones, they're a job for the terriers, he claims ;-)
And he's right. some of the big ones even give the terriers a run for
their
money, antiseptic needed to dab their bleeding noses where they've
been
well
bitten by a big rat. They don't seem to mind though, it seems to make
them
more determined..

Tina

That sounds completely horrid. Why should anyone want to kill a rat
just because it's a rat, is that a crime for the poor beast to be a
rat? And if you feel you really must kill them why do it in such a
nasty way! I dread to think what you feel we should do with our feral
children.


They are not just rats though. They are a danger to health

No more so than many other animals or insects such as hedgehogs,
pigeons, flies, deer.

Yes, they are, they carry Weils disease through their urine

No *they* don't. They *can* carry it but then so can many animals
including dogs and cats. Even slaughterhouse workers have been known
to catch it.

and if you pick
it up from them you can kiss your kidneys goodbye.

Rubbish, though it can happen.

Why do you think the
local council will come out to kill them for you?

Old habits die hard and I suppose they need to waste our taxes on
something. The best salesmen in the world are pest control companies.
The most gullible buyers are the public.


Are you serious? Whether you like rats or not (and I have a sneaking regard
for them as they are so clever) the council come out to kill them because
they are a danger to public health, not to waste your taxes!
I don't favour the poisoning method they use, I prefer the "gone in a
second" method of the terriers.

On Mon, 5 Oct 2009 21:19:38 +0100, "Christina Websell"
wrote:


"lloyd" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 21:46:00 +0100, "Christina Websell"
wrote:


"lloyd" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 19:25:40 +0100, "mark"
wrote:


"lloyd" wrote in message
om...
On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 18:12:20 +0100, "Christina Websell"
wrote:


"Derek Turner" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 21:22:05 +0100, lloyd wrote:

Anything we can do to encourage the hedgehogs, but not the rats
from
visiting the garden? I have both

1. Terrier from working lines.
2. Huge cat.


Yes get some terrier men in.for your rats. Mine come about every six
weeks
to sort them out.
I do have a huge cat, but he's a bit of a wuss about tackling the big
ones
with the brown chisel teeth. He sorts out the small ones, no problem,
but
those big ones, they're a job for the terriers, he claims ;-)
And he's right. some of the big ones even give the terriers a run for
their
money, antiseptic needed to dab their bleeding noses where they've
been
well
bitten by a big rat. They don't seem to mind though, it seems to make
them
more determined..

Tina

That sounds completely horrid. Why should anyone want to kill a rat
just because it's a rat, is that a crime for the poor beast to be a
rat? And if you feel you really must kill them why do it in such a
nasty way! I dread to think what you feel we should do with our feral
children.


They are not just rats though. They are a danger to health

No more so than many other animals or insects such as hedgehogs,
pigeons, flies, deer.

Yes, they are, they carry Weils disease through their urine

No *they* don't. They *can* carry it but then so can many animals
including dogs and cats. Even slaughterhouse workers have been known
to catch it.

and if you pick
it up from them you can kiss your kidneys goodbye.

Rubbish, though it can happen.

Why do you think the
local council will come out to kill them for you?

Old habits die hard and I suppose they need to waste our taxes on
something. The best salesmen in the world are pest control companies.
The most gullible buyers are the public.


Are you serious?

Of course I am.

Whether you like rats or not (and I have a sneaking regard
for them as they are so clever)

Granted.

the council come out to kill them because
they are a danger to public health, not to waste your taxes!

When was the last time our councils ever paid for anything that
benefits the residents!

I suspect somewhere along the line road builders and pest control are
paying out huge backhander's in order to fleece the gullible.

Rats are no more or less dirty than most other wildlife, and much less
than things that grow in our soils. You seem to have snipped the bit
about the law and infestations, I'm sure an error on your part but
worth mentioning we are talking about neither in most cases here.

I don't favour the poisoning method they use, I prefer the "gone in a
second" method of the terriers.

You logic is flawed. If the rats are so dangerous and dirty why would
we let our dogs risk catching what we don't want to catch? Apart from
it's terribly cruel especially against an animal that did nothing
wrong.

I think we may have to agree to disagree on this one.

"lloyd" wrote in message
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On Mon, 5 Oct 2009 21:19:38 +0100, "Christina Websell"
wrote:


"lloyd" wrote in message
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On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 21:46:00 +0100, "Christina Websell"
wrote:


"lloyd" wrote in message
m...
On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 19:25:40 +0100, "mark"
wrote:


"lloyd" wrote in message
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On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 18:12:20 +0100, "Christina Websell"
wrote:


"Derek Turner" wrote in message
. ..
On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 21:22:05 +0100, lloyd wrote:

Anything we can do to encourage the hedgehogs, but not the rats
from
visiting the garden? I have both

1. Terrier from working lines.
2. Huge cat.


Yes get some terrier men in.for your rats. Mine come about every
six
weeks
to sort them out.
I do have a huge cat, but he's a bit of a wuss about tackling the
big
ones
with the brown chisel teeth. He sorts out the small ones, no
problem,
but
those big ones, they're a job for the terriers, he claims ;-)
And he's right. some of the big ones even give the terriers a run
for
their
money, antiseptic needed to dab their bleeding noses where they've
been
well
bitten by a big rat. They don't seem to mind though, it seems to
make
them
more determined..

Tina

That sounds completely horrid. Why should anyone want to kill a rat
just because it's a rat, is that a crime for the poor beast to be a
rat? And if you feel you really must kill them why do it in such a
nasty way! I dread to think what you feel we should do with our
feral
children.


They are not just rats though. They are a danger to health

No more so than many other animals or insects such as hedgehogs,
pigeons, flies, deer.

Yes, they are, they carry Weils disease through their urine

No *they* don't. They *can* carry it but then so can many animals
including dogs and cats. Even slaughterhouse workers have been known
to catch it.

and if you pick
it up from them you can kiss your kidneys goodbye.

Rubbish, though it can happen.

Why do you think the
local council will come out to kill them for you?

Old habits die hard and I suppose they need to waste our taxes on
something. The best salesmen in the world are pest control companies.
The most gullible buyers are the public.


Are you serious?

Of course I am.

Whether you like rats or not (and I have a sneaking regard
for them as they are so clever)

Granted.

the council come out to kill them because
they are a danger to public health, not to waste your taxes!

When was the last time our councils ever paid for anything that
benefits the residents!

I suspect somewhere along the line road builders and pest control are
paying out huge backhander's in order to fleece the gullible.

Rats are no more or less dirty than most other wildlife, and much less
than things that grow in our soils. You seem to have snipped the bit
about the law and infestations, I'm sure an error on your part but
worth mentioning we are talking about neither in most cases here.

I don't favour the poisoning method they use, I prefer the "gone in a
second" method of the terriers.

You logic is flawed. If the rats are so dangerous and dirty why would
we let our dogs risk catching what we don't want to catch? Apart from
it's terribly cruel especially against an animal that did nothing
wrong.

I think we may have to agree to disagree on this one.

Yes, my opinion is that I have to control them by law, so I choose the
terriers rather than poison. Your opinion is that you like them, so we will
agree to disagree on this.

T

On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 19:25:40 +0100, mark wrote:

That sounds completely horrid. Why should anyone want to kill a rat
just because it's a rat, is that a crime for the poor beast to be a
rat? And if you feel you really must kill them why do it in such a
nasty way! I dread to think what you feel we should do with our feral
children.


They are not just rats though. They are a danger to health and that is
why local authority pest control officers will come and get rid of them
for free.

Yes, but where's the fun in that? much more entertaining to watch a good
terrier doing what it was bred for. Next you'll be telling me that hounds
shouldn't kill foxes. Tchh!

"Derek Turner" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 19:25:40 +0100, mark wrote:

That sounds completely horrid. Why should anyone want to kill a rat
just because it's a rat, is that a crime for the poor beast to be a
rat? And if you feel you really must kill them why do it in such a
nasty way! I dread to think what you feel we should do with our feral
children.


They are not just rats though. They are a danger to health and that is
why local authority pest control officers will come and get rid of them
for free.

Yes, but where's the fun in that? much more entertaining to watch a good
terrier doing what it was bred for. Next you'll be telling me that hounds
shouldn't kill foxes. Tchh!

Derek, the choice is poison when they lie around dying for days, or terriers
when they are gone in a second.
I resent the fact that you think I find it "fun" I don't. I have poultry -
and therefore rats. I will be in trouble with my local council if I do not
control them. Perhaps you can suggest a better method? I'm all ears for
your suggestions.

Tina

On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 00:33:29 +0100, Christina Websell wrote:

"Derek Turner" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 19:25:40 +0100, mark wrote:

That sounds completely horrid. Why should anyone want to kill a rat
just because it's a rat, is that a crime for the poor beast to be a
rat? And if you feel you really must kill them why do it in such a
nasty way! I dread to think what you feel we should do with our feral
children.


They are not just rats though. They are a danger to health and that is
why local authority pest control officers will come and get rid of
them for free.

Yes, but where's the fun in that? much more entertaining to watch a
good terrier doing what it was bred for. Next you'll be telling me that
hounds shouldn't kill foxes. Tchh!

Derek, the choice is poison when they lie around dying for days, or
terriers when they are gone in a second.
I resent the fact that you think I find it "fun" I don't. I have
poultry - and therefore rats. I will be in trouble with my local
council if I do not control them. Perhaps you can suggest a better
method? I'm all ears for your suggestions.

Tina

I have no suggestions. I think that using working dogs to do their work
is the best way: and I really think that watching them is fun. 'Blood
sports' AKA traditional pest control is not only effective but also good
sport. I like to watch my gundogs do their job. YMMV.