Found the remains of a pidgeon near my pond this morning - hardly any
of the carcass left just a load of feathers. We have a small garden
surrounded by others but it is enclosed by 6ft fences ( to deter cats
)
I am sure a cat wouldn't / couldn't have done this so possibly a fox ?
Don't know how it got in garden tho and it's pretty well built up
around where I live ....... V Strange !

"andy" wrote in message
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Found the remains of a pidgeon near my pond this morning - hardly any
of the carcass left just a load of feathers. We have a small garden
surrounded by others but it is enclosed by 6ft fences ( to deter cats
)
I am sure a cat wouldn't / couldn't have done this so possibly a fox ?
Don't know how it got in garden tho and it's pretty well built up
around where I live ....... V Strange !


Sparrow Hawk or such bird.


Mike


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On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:37:10 -0000, "'Mike'"
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"andy" wrote in message
.. .
Found the remains of a pidgeon near my pond this morning - hardly any
of the carcass left just a load of feathers. We have a small garden
surrounded by others but it is enclosed by 6ft fences ( to deter cats
)
I am sure a cat wouldn't / couldn't have done this so possibly a fox ?
Don't know how it got in garden tho and it's pretty well built up
around where I live ....... V Strange !


Sparrow Hawk or such bird.


Mike

Also wondered what a pidgeon was doing around my pond at night surely
it would be roosting high up ?

"andy" wrote in message
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On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:37:10 -0000, "'Mike'"
wrote:





"andy" wrote in message
. ..
Found the remains of a pidgeon near my pond this morning - hardly any
of the carcass left just a load of feathers. We have a small garden
surrounded by others but it is enclosed by 6ft fences ( to deter cats
)
I am sure a cat wouldn't / couldn't have done this so possibly a fox ?
Don't know how it got in garden tho and it's pretty well built up
around where I live ....... V Strange !


Sparrow Hawk or such bird.


Mike

Also wondered what a pidgeon was doing around my pond at night surely
it would be roosting high up ?


More than likely took it to ground to devour it. I have seen Sparrow Hawks
take a bird in flight and go to ground level.

On one occasion I wish I had a high speed camera and reflexes to go with it,
as a Sparrow Hawk took a Sparrow from under my veranda and flew off to the
right not 6 feet away. Happened in a flash!!

Mike

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"andy" wrote
"'Mike'"wrote:
"andy" wrote
Found the remains of a pidgeon near my pond this morning - hardly any
of the carcass left just a load of feathers. We have a small garden
surrounded by others but it is enclosed by 6ft fences ( to deter cats
)
I am sure a cat wouldn't / couldn't have done this so possibly a fox ?
Don't know how it got in garden tho and it's pretty well built up
around where I live ....... V Strange !


Sparrow Hawk or such bird.

Also wondered what a pigeon was doing around my pond at night surely
it would be roosting high up ?

We had a Collared Dove brain itself on the door of our greenhouse at 9.00pm
the other night so they do fly at night, especially if disturbed. That dove
was dead the next morning.

A few weeks before I had to shoot a damaged pigeon after I found it being
attacked on our small lawn by a bird of prey (which itself was about to be
attacked by our cat). Despite asking I never managed 100% confirmation of
which bird of prey it was although I thought it was a Kestrel at the time
due to the colour of the plumage but have been told they don't kill pigeons.

Next door also had what you describe in their small front garden a couple of
months ago.

You don't say what time this morning you first noticed it but Sparrow Hawks
etc are up and about early.

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W.of London. UK

"Bob Hobden" wrote in message
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Despite asking I never managed 100% confirmation of which bird of prey it
was although I thought it was a Kestrel at the time due to the colour of
the plumage but have been told they don't kill pigeons.

If kestrels are hungry they will take on bigger prey than pigeons. I
witnessed an epic battle between a kestrel and a rook last year. It was a
bit like Pooh and the honey jar. First the kestrel was on top, then the
rook. The rook was trying to smother the kestrel with its wings and the
kestrel was trying to get at the throat of the rook. After about 15 minutes
of struggle they declared a draw and went their separate ways.

Phil

On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 17:13:01 -0000, "Bob Hobden"
wrote:

Despite asking I never managed 100% confirmation of
which bird of prey it was although I thought it was a Kestrel at the time
due to the colour of the plumage but have been told they don't kill pigeons.

Pigeons could be a possible victims for a Kestrel.

We had a Kestrel kill a chicken.

Steve

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"Bob Hobden" wrote in message
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I thought it was a Kestrel at the time
due to the colour of the plumage but have been told they don't kill
pigeons.

Regards
Bob Hobden
W.of London. UK



and this Kestrel http://www.myalbum.com/Album=YXGGXTMT certainly wasn't
watching any birds when I photographed it!! Mice or Vole or something ;-)

Mike

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On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 17:13:01 -0000, "Bob Hobden"
wrote:





You don't say what time this morning you first noticed it but Sparrow Hawks
etc are up and about early.

I noticed it circa 9am so could well have happened earlier in morning
at first light etc. Certainly had a good meal nothing left only a bit
of wing even had head & beak ........ feathers made a mess all around
my waterfall but pump was off . Would the moving water have put it off
having it's breakfast here ?

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 17:13:01 -0000, "Bob Hobden"
wrote:





You don't say what time this morning you first noticed it but Sparrow Hawks
etc are up and about early.

I noticed it circa 9am so could well have happened earlier in morning
at first light etc. Certainly had a good meal nothing left only a bit
of wing even had head & beak ........ feathers made a mess all around
my waterfall but pump was off . Would the moving water have put it off
having it's breakfast here ?

Birds of prey typically do not eat all the victim, usually they will
pluck the back feathers and eat the soft bits leaving most of the
carcase. Of course it could not have been a fox, they are nice and
fluffy creatures who would not harm a fly.

"andy" wrote in message
...
Found the remains of a pidgeon near my pond this morning - hardly any
of the carcass left just a load of feathers. We have a small garden
surrounded by others but it is enclosed by 6ft fences ( to deter cats
)
I am sure a cat wouldn't / couldn't have done this so possibly a fox ?
Don't know how it got in garden tho and it's pretty well built up
around where I live ....... V Strange !

Likely to be a female sparrowhawk. Pigeons (especially collared doves) are
their favourite food.
Tina

"andy" wrote in message
...
Found the remains of a pidgeon near my pond this morning - hardly any
of the carcass left just a load of feathers. We have a small garden
surrounded by others but it is enclosed by 6ft fences ( to deter cats
)
I am sure a cat wouldn't / couldn't have done this so possibly a fox ?
Don't know how it got in garden tho and it's pretty well built up
around where I live ....... V Strange !

A cat will enjoy eating the breast of pigeon, and will leave the bird
spreadeagled on the lawn with feathers everywhere.

We had a cat who did this and the first sign that something had occurred was
when he came in and laid down to sleep in front of the fire looking a bit
bloated. When he didn't stir for a very long time we thought something was
up. We went out and found the victim surrounded by feathers on our lawn.

Bill

In message , andy
writes
Found the remains of a pidgeon near my pond this morning - hardly any
of the carcass left just a load of feathers. We have a small garden
surrounded by others but it is enclosed by 6ft fences ( to deter cats
)
I am sure a cat wouldn't / couldn't have done this so possibly a fox ?
Don't know how it got in garden tho and it's pretty well built up
around where I live ....... V Strange !
Urban foxes are common enough and I don't think a 6ft fence would be too
much of a problem.
--
hugh
"Believe nothing. No matter where you read it, Or who said it, Even if
I have said it, Unless it agrees with your own reason And your own
common sense." Buddha

On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 22:00:26 +0000, hugh ] wrote:

In message , andy
writes

I suppose a bird of prey could have got it first and then a cat
carried it off I'd love to know for sure .....
I remember seeing the 'ready meals' left by foxes when I worked on a
golf course once.. Neat piles of organs etc. left in bunkers
presumably to return to - mostly rabbits !

andy wrote in news:6vqhq59ttvrvdvgr9n4g3rka084m4tit21@
4ax.com:

Found the remains of a pidgeon near my pond this morning - hardly any
of the carcass left just a load of feathers. We have a small garden
surrounded by others but it is enclosed by 6ft fences ( to deter cats
)
I am sure a cat wouldn't / couldn't have done this so possibly a fox ?
Don't know how it got in garden tho and it's pretty well built up
around where I live ....... V Strange !

I have seen cats leave feathers as you describe, and at this time of year
the pigeon would likely be skinny and weak due to little natural food, and
the cat would be very healthy because its owner would keep it so.
But it may not be a domestic cat and would still be strong because it would
be preying all winter on weaklings.
It might have killed the pigeon some time ago and ate it over a day or two
and since there was nothing worth eating just left it there instead of
hiding it again.
By the way a 6' fence is little use to prevent cats, well at least MY fence
isnt, they foul my garden too. I see them stalking every day and there is
nothing I can do about it! They are the biggest pest by far for me.

Marq