On Jun 2, 6:30*pm, Sacha wrote:
On 2011-06-02 17:36:27 +0100, harry said:





On Jun 2, 9:26*am, Puzzledmonkey Puzzledmonkey.
wrote:
Hi All,

This is my first post, so please be gentle.

I'm a complete gardening novice, having totally re-landscaped our
gardens over the last 12 months. *I've planted trees and shrubs here
there and everywhere with no thought or knowledge of what hould be
where, so please forgive me,

But to my problem, i've purchased a small (2ft) monkey puzzle tree,
which i'd planned to plant as a feature on a small area, which is banked
with railway sleepers at the front, and barked so there is nothing else
growing within 6ft.

Although the spot i have earmarked for the tree is partially over-hung
by a very mature oak tree. *The branches are still some 12/15ft off the
ground. *

Having researched the best i can over the web, i'm worried that the MP
tree will soon be to big for the spot. *Am i therefore better off
submerging a large plant pot (how big?) in the ground, to restrict the
growth of the tree, and to allow me to easily move it in x number of
years time?

If i think that the tree can comfortably grow to 8ft in height before it
starts to look out of place, how many years will this take (10 years ?)
and therefore how big of a pot do i need to submerge to allow the tree
to grow freely to that size?

Sorry for so many questions, but any help is appreciated.
Puzzledmonkey

--
Puzzledmonkey

Ours has grown from about a foot to ten feet in seven years. They
can't be pruned and grow to be huge ie fifty or sixty feet in the UK
(so far), a hundred and fifty feet in Chile where they come from.
There are forests of them in Chile. Selva araucana.
They are bisexual. You can eat the nuts (in about a hundred years) but
you'll need M&F trees, so go out and buy another!
They live to more than1000 yrs so it will see you, your house and yourFifity or
garden out. And your grand kids.
The timber is highly desireable.
Heh Heh.
http://www.photoseek.com/chile.html

Araucaria araucana is the name of the monkey puzzle tree. *They live
for about 150 years, not 1000 years but I expect the extra zero was a
typo. * 50 or 60 feet? *At Bicton College some are over 80' tall. *This
is not a tree to choose for a small garden. If I was in the OP's shoes
I'd take it back and ask if I could swap it for something more
suitable. *They're not cheap trees, either! *I would like to suggest to
the OP that he is going about things a bit sides to middle. *Ask the
advice first and *then* buy the plants! *;-)
--
Sachawww.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon- Hide quoted text -

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No.1000 years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkeyp...ation_and_uses

On Jun 2, 6:30*pm, Sacha wrote:
On 2011-06-02 17:36:27 +0100, harry said:





On Jun 2, 9:26*am, Puzzledmonkey Puzzledmonkey.
wrote:
Hi All,

This is my first post, so please be gentle.

I'm a complete gardening novice, having totally re-landscaped our
gardens over the last 12 months. *I've planted trees and shrubs here
there and everywhere with no thought or knowledge of what hould be
where, so please forgive me,

But to my problem, i've purchased a small (2ft) monkey puzzle tree,
which i'd planned to plant as a feature on a small area, which is banked
with railway sleepers at the front, and barked so there is nothing else
growing within 6ft.

Although the spot i have earmarked for the tree is partially over-hung
by a very mature oak tree. *The branches are still some 12/15ft off the
ground. *

Having researched the best i can over the web, i'm worried that the MP
tree will soon be to big for the spot. *Am i therefore better off
submerging a large plant pot (how big?) in the ground, to restrict the
growth of the tree, and to allow me to easily move it in x number of
years time?

If i think that the tree can comfortably grow to 8ft in height before it
starts to look out of place, how many years will this take (10 years ?)
and therefore how big of a pot do i need to submerge to allow the tree
to grow freely to that size?

Sorry for so many questions, but any help is appreciated.
Puzzledmonkey

--
Puzzledmonkey

Ours has grown from about a foot to ten feet in seven years. They
can't be pruned and grow to be huge ie fifty or sixty feet in the UK
(so far), a hundred and fifty feet in Chile where they come from.
There are forests of them in Chile. Selva araucana.
They are bisexual. You can eat the nuts (in about a hundred years) but
you'll need M&F trees, so go out and buy another!
They live to more than1000 yrs so it will see you, your house and yourFifity or
garden out. And your grand kids.
The timber is highly desireable.
Heh Heh.
http://www.photoseek.com/chile.html

Araucaria araucana is the name of the monkey puzzle tree. *They live
for about 150 years, not 1000 years but I expect the extra zero was a
typo. * 50 or 60 feet? *At Bicton College some are over 80' tall. *This
is not a tree to choose for a small garden. If I was in the OP's shoes
I'd take it back and ask if I could swap it for something more
suitable. *They're not cheap trees, either! *I would like to suggest to
the OP that he is going about things a bit sides to middle. *Ask the
advice first and *then* buy the plants! *;-)
--
Sachawww.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

BTW
Selva = Spanish for forest.
Araucana = Name of the local indians that live in the forest so naming
the trees.
Like pine forest in English.

Latin is not a magical science language. Latin botanical names are
only slightly less stupid and illogical than the English ones.

On 02/06/2011 21:33, Janet wrote:
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On 02/06/2011 17:57, Janet wrote:
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On 02/06/2011 13:16, Charlie Pridham wrote:

"Puzzledmonkey"Puzzledmonkey.85d01d6@gardenbanter .co.uk wrote in message
...

Hi All,

This is my first post, so please be gentle.

I'm a complete gardening novice, having totally re-landscaped our
gardens over the last 12 months. I've planted trees and shrubs here
there and everywhere with no thought or knowledge of what hould be
where, so please forgive me,

But to my problem, i've purchased a small (2ft) monkey puzzle tree,
which i'd planned to plant as a feature on a small area, which is banked
with railway sleepers at the front, and barked so there is nothing else
growing within 6ft.

Although the spot i have earmarked for the tree is partially over-hung
by a very mature oak tree. The branches are still some 12/15ft off the
ground.

Having researched the best i can over the web, i'm worried that the MP
tree will soon be to big for the spot. Am i therefore better off
submerging a large plant pot (how big?) in the ground, to restrict the
growth of the tree, and to allow me to easily move it in x number of
years time?

If i think that the tree can comfortably grow to 8ft in height before it
starts to look out of place, how many years will this take (10 years ?)
and therefore how big of a pot do i need to submerge to allow the tree
to grow freely to that size?

Sorry for so many questions, but any help is appreciated.
Puzzledmonkey


It will take about 4 years to do the 8 feet after that growth will be
extremely rapid if its getting a good water supply, I can't comment on how
they do in pots but as you have already bought the tree you have nothing to
lose by trying!. I doubt it will be movable after it reaches its 8 foot
limit, as a Genus they do not move at all well.

8 feet in 4 years! Tell me where you get your plants, Charlie!
According to
http://www.pfaf.org/user/Plant.aspx?...ria%20araucana, "The
monkey puzzle is a very slow growing tree that can take 5 - 10 years
before it even gets above grass height and then grows around 35cm a
year". That seems a little slow to me,#

The OP's plant is already 2ft high; so another four years at 35cm pa
will easily take it to 6ft. But as Charlie says, where there is plenty of
rain (like mild parts of the west coast) they will grow faster.


It simply will not grow 35 cm a year at that height. Even a 2 ft plant
is still very young and slow-growing. I would guess it is already
pushing 5 years old at that height. Once they are 10 years old they may
take off (depending on local conditions), but even then 35 cm a year
would be good at that age. If they grew at a fast rate when young, they
wouldn't cost so much.

It was your post, above, that said they could take 5 OR 10 years to
reach grassheight (2ft) after which they will grow 35 cm pa.

You are right - hoist by my own petard! That pfaf page growth rate
refers to "Mitchell. A. F. Conifers in the British Isles.", so it should
be pertinent as it is for the UK. I don't have that book; I wonder if
anyone who lurks here does, and can perhaps give more detail.

The reason they are expensive is that they can only be grown from seed
and take years to reach a saleable size.. as per the pfaf info you quoted.

Well, you can buy plants from about 15 cm upwards. I'm not sure how old
those would be, but as they can be bought, they must be of saleable
size. Maybe Charlie P. grows them from seed, and can let us know how
old they are at 15 cm.

--

Jeff

"Jeff Layman" wrote in message
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On 02/06/2011 13:16, Charlie Pridham wrote:

"Puzzledmonkey"Puzzledmonkey.85d01d6@gardenbanter .co.uk wrote in
message
...

Hi All,

This is my first post, so please be gentle.

I'm a complete gardening novice, having totally re-landscaped our
gardens over the last 12 months. I've planted trees and shrubs here
there and everywhere with no thought or knowledge of what hould be
where, so please forgive me,

But to my problem, i've purchased a small (2ft) monkey puzzle tree,
which i'd planned to plant as a feature on a small area, which is banked
with railway sleepers at the front, and barked so there is nothing else
growing within 6ft.

Although the spot i have earmarked for the tree is partially over-hung
by a very mature oak tree. The branches are still some 12/15ft off the
ground.

Having researched the best i can over the web, i'm worried that the MP
tree will soon be to big for the spot. Am i therefore better off
submerging a large plant pot (how big?) in the ground, to restrict the
growth of the tree, and to allow me to easily move it in x number of
years time?

If i think that the tree can comfortably grow to 8ft in height before it
starts to look out of place, how many years will this take (10 years ?)
and therefore how big of a pot do i need to submerge to allow the tree
to grow freely to that size?

Sorry for so many questions, but any help is appreciated.
Puzzledmonkey


It will take about 4 years to do the 8 feet after that growth will be
extremely rapid if its getting a good water supply, I can't comment on
how
they do in pots but as you have already bought the tree you have nothing
to
lose by trying!. I doubt it will be movable after it reaches its 8 foot
limit, as a Genus they do not move at all well.

8 feet in 4 years! Tell me where you get your plants, Charlie! According
to http://www.pfaf.org/user/Plant.aspx?...ria%20araucana,
"The monkey puzzle is a very slow growing tree that can take 5 - 10 years
before it even gets above grass height and then grows around 35cm a year".
That seems a little slow to me, but even so I can't see 8 feet in 4 years.
A tree at Kew, although of unstated age, would seem to have grown about 23
feet in 30 years.(http://apps.kew.org/trees/?page_id=136). I agree,
though, that as they grow older they grow faster.

I have an Araucaria araucana in a pot. It was bought for me about a dozen
years ago when it was less than a foot high. It has been repotted a
couple of times, most recently about 3 or 4 years ago into a 18" tub. It
is now about 5 feet high.

--

Jeff

They seem to grow rapidly down here especially in winter, but it sounds as
if it wont be as fast for the OP, they are slow as seedlings but in my
experience once they settle are quite quick.


--
Charlie, Gardening in Cornwall
Holders of National Collections of Clematis viticella
and Lapageria rosea cvs
http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk

On Thu, 02 Jun 2011 20:32:09 +0100, Jeff Layman wrote:

The one near us must be a good 50'. Bear in mind it is also
located
on the 360m (1180') contour in the North Pennines.

Well, they are quite happy growing at 1000m+ in the Chilean Andes, so it
must feel a bit balmy for them!

Quite. Just pointing out that even in the "harsh" UK conditions at
nearly 1200' on the North Pennines doesn't stop 'em becoming a
substantial tree. In fact it might happier than in relatively the sub
tropical south. B-)

--
Cheers
Dave.