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Old 18-05-2012, 05:51 PM
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Hi all,
More than 10 years ago, I bought a plant of Tropaeolum ciliatum in a
well-reputed nursery in the South of the UK. It was then a very new
plant - at least, I had never heard of it. The owner said it was a
climber like Tropaeolum speciosum (Scottish flame flower), with
identical habit and leaves, but with yellow flowers instead of red
ones, and not as difficult in cultivation. What self-respecting
plantsman could resist that? I certainly couldn't.
The plant did not prove very floriferous (took a few years to flower),
and the flowers were not that spectacular - but it was certainly easy
to cultivate. In fact, it gradually took over the corner of my front
yard where I planted it - and some other places, apparently carried
there with the soil when I transplanted other things. And it has now
proven itself to be the worst possible kind of weed.
It forms thin running roots with small tubers (or whatever they are
called). Those intermingle with the roots of rhododendrons and other
shrubs, totally covering the shrubs; digging up is not an option. And
when digging a hole for planting something else, I found those tubers
more than 40 cm. deep. Last year, workmen came to do some work on the
pavement in front of my garden. They found those tubers under the
pavement, almost at the other side, clearly on the way to colonize the
new frontier over there.
So, last year, I tried to clear a spot by using round-up (glyfonet),
carefully trying to protect the other plants. It did seem to help a
bit for a few months. But now the plant has come back with a
vengeance, almost as if I used a slow-acting fertilizer.
When comparing weeds - I have experience with things like Japanese
knotweed and Goutweed, but those are clearly not in the same league.
And now, I think, my wordt fear has come true. For more than fifteen
years I have been growing the splendid but difficult Tropaeolum
speciosum itself. It has kept to itself, even spread out the slightest
bit. Now, I see, an identical shoot coming up close to it.
Is that Tropaeolum speciosum itself - or T. ciliatum? Without flowers,
I can't see the difference. And T. speciosum certainly can't compete.
And yet, I see T. ciliatum and its seed still being offered as "an
interesting and easy climber". At least over here.
Do others have the same experience with it as I have? Has someone
found a way to keep it in bounds or eradicate it? Or, at least, to
distinguish it from T. speciosum?
Any help would be appreciated.
Regards,
Roger.
I'd just like to confirm that Tropaeolum ciliatum really is as bad as everyone is saying, and I'd like to add my voices to those saying the plant should be banned. My evidence? It took over my small London front garden -- which is to say it smothered two vigorous rambling roses (Wedding Day), outcompeted a honeysuckle (Halliana, very strong), smothered an entire flowerbed, went over the roof of my house and my neighbour's, got tangled with their satellite dish, and worst of all started throwing long strands of growth out through the skirting boards inside and even, more than once, through the mains sockets. I decided enough was enough and that a radical solution was called for. Glyphosate, used at 1.5 times concentration, has done the trick, although almost everything else has died too, but it's wonderful just to be rid of this awful weed. Pretty, yes, up to a point, and would work as cover for anything unsightly, but it's rampant, a choker, a take-no-prisoners monster, completely frost hardy and propagating / spreading by means of small nut-like underground tubers. Never ever plant this anywhere except a pot, with 24/7 security. Really, the Royal Horticultural Society or Defra should take action on this one -- and at least oblige nurseries and seedsmen to sell with a caveat. Would you plant convolvulus in your garden, or japanese knotweed? Let's say never to Tropaeolum ciliatum (by the way, I was growing it on London clay, so it appears to do well in that medium as well as in sand).
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Roger Van Loon wrote:

Jim W wrote:

Roger Van Loon
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Nick Maclaren wrote:

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Roger Van Loon
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Hi Jim, yes it IS that bad, I did not exaggerate one bit. IMHO, in my
location (somewhat dry acid sandy soil) it is the worst possible weed
you can imagine. It certainly should be banned. No other weed can
compare.
Perhaps I was lucky in failing to grow it from seed!
Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

I think you certainly were.
What I can't figure out - doesn't anyone in the UK have those same
problems with it?
I'm sure that, once you have it in your garden, you will never get rid
of it.
Regards,
Roger.


I'd never heard of it till it came up in this years Chilterns
Catalogue..

I'm guessing it may not do as well in UK London clay if you have sandy
soil.. Very different conditions.. That said if it is bad as Vinca I
will be very careful with it..
Lokking at some piccies on google it does look different from T
tuberosum which has red twining petioles.. ciliatum appears to have
green ones?
It is described as having an RHS award of garden Merit and being
vigourous.. Maybe the RHS might have some advice for you!-)

Interestingly descriptions vary between 2 - 5 metres (Cotwolds Garden
FLowers )and 10 - 15 metres.. (Rare plants)
Chilterns describes it as half hardy..
All the above is from searching on google UK You might try the one for
europe (tho I found this includes a lot of US Stuff) or belgium more
specifically...
Google and add terms like 'cultivation'
or 'control' to your search.. That and contacting others who grow it..
There are quite a few nurseries selling this plant in the UK.. Maybe
you can make some money out of it!-)

Jim


Hi Jim
Yes, I know about the AGM (the RHS should certainly have another look
at it), and I tried the different versions of GOOGLE. Perhaps you're
right and London clay might keep it in check - but I'm sure it will
colonize very happily most other places.
As bad as Vinca? Oh boy, you should come over and have a look. Too bad
I just cleared most of it away from my Rhododendrons, I should have
taken some pictures.
Thanks for pointing out the twining petioles, I will look at it.
Regards,
Roger.


Just been the the Ally Pally show. 3 quid a plant for the little
beastie!-)
//
Jim
Hi everyone ... Tropaeolum ciliatum, in my opinion, should definitely be banned. Here's why. It can grow right over the roof of a two-story house. It is coming up through my electric sockets, ie, growing right under the foundations. It resists glyphosate, comes back very strongly. It forms an absolute mass of underground tubers, from the size of peas to the size of small potatoes, ie, about 2 to three inches long. You can fill buckets with the stuff. Comparing it with Vinca is like comparing a goldfish to a barracuda....

I'm facing the long prospect of digging up and sifting my entire front garden. Help!
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