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Happy Birthday, Sacha!
Hope you're having a lovely, if chilly, birthday. Keep warm and drink
lots of tea .. and maybe a hot toddy tonight. Brrr it's cold here. -- Spider from high ground in SE London gardening on clay |
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Happy Birthday, Sacha!
On 2013-01-11 12:30:05 +0000, Spider said:
Hope you're having a lovely, if chilly, birthday. Keep warm and drink lots of tea .. and maybe a hot toddy tonight. Brrr it's cold here. Thank you so much, Spider! There was a light frost on the lawn this morning bu I haven't poked my nose outside yet! I'm having computer work going on so the guru and I had a remote control consultation. There's that sort of greyish white haze over everything, there isn't a breath of wind and the weathervane is pointing resolutely north. -- -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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Happy Birthday, Sacha!
"Sacha" wrote in message ... On 2013-01-11 12:30:05 +0000, Spider said: Hope you're having a lovely, if chilly, birthday. Keep warm and drink lots of tea .. and maybe a hot toddy tonight. Brrr it's cold here. Thank you so much, Spider! There was a light frost on the lawn this morning bu I haven't poked my nose outside yet! I'm having computer work going on so the guru and I had a remote control consultation. There's that sort of greyish white haze over everything, there isn't a breath of wind and the weathervane is pointing resolutely north. -- -- Sacha Happy Birthday 'youngster' Mike -- .................................... Smile ... It irritates those who wish to destroy you. .................................... |
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Happy Birthday, Sacha!
On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 12:55:32 +0000, Sacha wrote:
On 2013-01-11 12:30:05 +0000, Spider said: Hope you're having a lovely, if chilly, birthday. Keep warm and drink lots of tea .. and maybe a hot toddy tonight. Brrr it's cold here. Thank you so much, Spider! There was a light frost on the lawn this morning bu I haven't poked my nose outside yet! I'm having computer work going on so the guru and I had a remote control consultation. There's that sort of greyish white haze over everything, there isn't a breath of wind and the weathervane is pointing resolutely north. -- Maybe your weathervane knows where the good weather is hiding. It's quite warm up here! Steve -- EasyNN-plus. Neural Networks plus. http://www.easynn.com SwingNN. Forecast with Neural Networks. http://www.swingnn.com JustNN. Just Neural Networks. http://www.justnn.com |
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Happy Birthday, Sacha!
On 11/01/2013 12:55, Sacha wrote:
On 2013-01-11 12:30:05 +0000, Spider said: Hope you're having a lovely, if chilly, birthday. Keep warm and drink lots of tea .. and maybe a hot toddy tonight. Brrr it's cold here. Thank you so much, Spider! There was a light frost on the lawn this morning bu I haven't poked my nose outside yet! I'm having computer work going on so the guru and I had a remote control consultation. There's that sort of greyish white haze over everything, there isn't a breath of wind and the weathervane is pointing resolutely north. Well, we have a chilly 4*C here with hardly any wind. It feels even colder because RG is having to flush out the radiators, so there's no heating on. I'm avoiding going outside, even to the bins, until there's heating to come in to. Just as well Panther is sharing 'hairy chair' with me - she's keeping my lumbar region warm:~)! -- Spider from high ground in SE London gardening on clay |
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Happy Birthday, Sacha!
On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 12:30:05 +0000, Spider wrote:
Hope you're having a lovely, if chilly, birthday. Keep warm and drink lots of tea .. and maybe a hot toddy tonight. Brrr it's cold here. Bouôn annivèrsaithe |
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Happy Birthday, Sacha!
On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 13:33:46 +0000, Derek Turner wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 12:30:05 +0000, Spider wrote: Hope you're having a lovely, if chilly, birthday. Keep warm and drink lots of tea .. and maybe a hot toddy tonight. Brrr it's cold here. Bouôn annivèrsaithe Bouon eunnivarsé from south of the Joret line, also! (Only approximately Jersiais. I've become quite interested in this language question of late.) -E -- Gardening in Lower Normandy |
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Happy Birthday, Sacha!
On 2013-01-11 16:19:56 +0000, Emery Davis said:
On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 13:33:46 +0000, Derek Turner wrote: On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 12:30:05 +0000, Spider wrote: Hope you're having a lovely, if chilly, birthday. Keep warm and drink lots of tea .. and maybe a hot toddy tonight. Brrr it's cold here. Bouôn annivèrsaithe Bouon eunnivarsé from south of the Joret line, also! (Only approximately Jersiais. I've become quite interested in this language question of late.) -E I never learned Jèrriais unfortunately because in my youth it was considered a sort of pidgin French and the idea was to teach 'proper' French. And because it's based on old Norman French and has shortened forms of words (and some very different words) I can't read all of it, though can usually get the gist. I know a couple of now very old farmers who speak Jèrriais all the time when they're together but few people really know it now. When I was a child and even up into the 1970s, one often heard it spoken in the market, especially at week ends. It doesn't help that a genuine Jersey accent is very strong, too. Doing some family research i often see where the poor English enumerator has tried to get a name or address from an ancestor who probably only spoke Jèrriais. The parish of Grouville often gets written as Yarwelle and what happens to some of the French surnames is amazing! I have a Jèrriais-French dictionary which is quite handy at times. I think children have the option of learning the language as an 'extra' now but I wonder how many bother. However, on a visit to Normandy some years ago, a very chauvinistic Frenchman practically adopted me because, among a crowd of English, I was a Jersey woman and therefore almost Norman! -- -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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Happy Birthday, Sacha!
On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:32:17 +0000, Sacha wrote:
Bouôn annivèrsaithe Bouon eunnivarsé from south of the Joret line, also! (Only approximately Jersiais. I've become quite interested in this language question of late.) -E I never learned Jèrriais unfortunately because in my youth it was considered a sort of pidgin French and the idea was to teach 'proper' French. And because it's based on old Norman French and has shortened forms of words (and some very different words) I can't read all of it, though can usually get the gist. I know a couple of now very old farmers who speak Jèrriais all the time when they're together but few people really know it now. When I was a child and even up into the 1970s, one often heard it spoken in the market, especially at week ends. It doesn't help that a genuine Jersey accent is very strong, too. Doing some family research i often see where the poor English enumerator has tried to get a name or address from an ancestor who probably only spoke Jèrriais. The parish of Grouville often gets written as Yarwelle and what happens to some of the French surnames is amazing! I have a Jèrriais-French dictionary which is quite handy at times. I think children have the option of learning the language as an 'extra' now but I wonder how many bother. However, on a visit to Normandy some years ago, a very chauvinistic Frenchman practically adopted me because, among a crowd of English, I was a Jersey woman and therefore almost Norman! I think Jersiais (French spelling, though I don't doubt yours is more accurate) seems to be one of the best preserved examples of Normand from the north of the Joret line. It would be a terrible shame if it were lost as a living language. Of course it's really "old French" and was spoken by many, including the English courts apparently for a couple of hundred years, after the battle of Hastings. I know a couple of speakers of old Norman, but it's really down to a few words slipped in here or there. I'd really like to learn more of it though, and looking through the online dictionaries I do recognize a few words that I've heard. I'm not sure if I have a problem so much with the "old Norman" accent as the fact that those I know who speak it have practically no teeth, so even in straight French they're pretty hard to follow! As a Jersey woman, I'd think you would be fully qualified as a Norman! cheers, -E -- Gardening in Lower Normandy |
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Happy Birthday, Sacha!
On 2013-01-11 19:00:45 +0000, Emery Davis said:
On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:32:17 +0000, Sacha wrote: Bouôn annivèrsaithe Bouon eunnivarsé from south of the Joret line, also! (Only approximately Jersiais. I've become quite interested in this language question of late.) -E I never learned Jèrriais unfortunately because in my youth it was considered a sort of pidgin French and the idea was to teach 'proper' French. And because it's based on old Norman French and has shortened forms of words (and some very different words) I can't read all of it, though can usually get the gist. I know a couple of now very old farmers who speak Jèrriais all the time when they're together but few people really know it now. When I was a child and even up into the 1970s, one often heard it spoken in the market, especially at week ends. It doesn't help that a genuine Jersey accent is very strong, too. Doing some family research i often see where the poor English enumerator has tried to get a name or address from an ancestor who probably only spoke Jèrriais. The parish of Grouville often gets written as Yarwelle and what happens to some of the French surnames is amazing! I have a Jèrriais-French dictionary which is quite handy at times. I think children have the option of learning the language as an 'extra' now but I wonder how many bother. However, on a visit to Normandy some years ago, a very chauvinistic Frenchman practically adopted me because, among a crowd of English, I was a Jersey woman and therefore almost Norman! I think Jersiais (French spelling, though I don't doubt yours is more accurate) seems to be one of the best preserved examples of Normand from the north of the Joret line. It would be a terrible shame if it were lost as a living language. Of course it's really "old French" and was spoken by many, including the English courts apparently for a couple of hundred years, after the battle of Hastings. I know a couple of speakers of old Norman, but it's really down to a few words slipped in here or there. I'd really like to learn more of it though, and looking through the online dictionaries I do recognize a few words that I've heard. I'm not sure if I have a problem so much with the "old Norman" accent as the fact that those I know who speak it have practically no teeth, so even in straight French they're pretty hard to follow! As a Jersey woman, I'd think you would be fully qualified as a Norman! cheers, -E But my paternal Jersey ancestry is Italian 400 or 500 years ago. I didn't tell him that...! Mother's maiden name is Jersey enough to satisfy! -- -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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Happy Birthday, Sacha!
On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:32:17 +0000, Sacha wrote:
However, on a visit to Normandy some years ago, a very chauvinistic Frenchman practically adopted me because, among a crowd of English, I was a Jersey woman and therefore almost Norman! No almost about it, Sacha. When ever I'm asked in Britanny and Normandy where I've come from I always add 'Normandie Libre' to 'Ilse de Jersey' and it never fails to raise a smile. And I'm only an incomer Whenever we have guests from England I point out to them that 'we' were on the winning side in the battle of Hastings! |
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Happy Birthday, Sacha!
On 2013-01-12 11:56:43 +0000, Derek Turner said:
On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:32:17 +0000, Sacha wrote: However, on a visit to Normandy some years ago, a very chauvinistic Frenchman practically adopted me because, among a crowd of English, I was a Jersey woman and therefore almost Norman! No almost about it, Sacha. When ever I'm asked in Britanny and Normandy where I've come from I always add 'Normandie Libre' to 'Ilse de Jersey' and it never fails to raise a smile. And I'm only an incomer Whenever we have guests from England I point out to them that 'we' were on the winning side in the battle of Hastings! La Reine Notre Duc! Yes, I know it's not 'official' but plenty of older Jersey people stick with it! -- -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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Happy Birthday, Sacha!
On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:32:17 +0000, Sacha wrote:
I think children have the option of learning the language as an 'extra' now but I wonder how many bother. Well, the Jerriais classes in the Eisteddfod seem to go from strength to strength so don't give up hope yet! |
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Happy Birthday, Sacha!
On 2013-01-12 11:58:59 +0000, Derek Turner said:
On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:32:17 +0000, Sacha wrote: I think children have the option of learning the language as an 'extra' now but I wonder how many bother. Well, the Jerriais classes in the Eisteddfod seem to go from strength to strength so don't give up hope yet! They've always had those but I'm not sure it really demonstrates the language is what anyone would consider a 'living language'. Does the JEP still have a weekly column in Jersey French? George d'la Forge did it in my day but it may have disappeared now. You know when we start discussing obscure languages etc. that it's time the weather improves so that we can garden instead!! ;-) -- -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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Happy Birthday, Sacha!
"Spider" wrote in message ... Hope you're having a lovely, if chilly, birthday. Keep warm and drink lots of tea .. and maybe a hot toddy tonight. Brrr it's cold here. Happy Birthday from me too. Have a lovely and a great year -- -- http://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/ |
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