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Looks like pleached hornbeams.Someone is making a very labour intensive
tall, narrow privacy screen between the road and the house.

Hornbeams are a tree not a shrub.

Janet
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Looks like pleached hornbeams.Someone is making a very labour intensive
tall, narrow privacy screen between the road and the house.

Hornbeams are a tree not a shrub.


Well, maybe - the problem is that the boundary between the two is
rather unclear. Hornbeam can be grown as a shrub (i.e. coppiced)
with no difficulty. I agree that is neither doing so nor anything
that looks even remotely sensible!


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Hi All,

Thank you for your replies.

So, reading your comments you wouldn't suggest copying this style of screening.

Attached are 2 pictures showing the area I wish to screen, pink shading (we have a nosy neighbour) any suggestions?

I did think of putting up a wavy trellis...
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Hi All,

Thank you for your replies.

So, reading your comments you wouldn't suggest copying this style of
screening.

Attached are 2 pictures showing the area I wish to screen, pink shading
(we have a nosy neighbour) any suggestions?

I did think of putting up a wavy trellis...


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Eh? The nosy neighbour is a horse?
You could take cuttings (now) from the buddliea you have (shrub with
purple cone shaped flowers) and stick them in the ground where you want
them to grow; they are probably the easiest and fastest growing screen
possible. But TBH I would not bother, it doesn't look to me like an
overlooked garden that needs screening; a trellis would be
inappropriate, to suburban for a rural boundary, and you also shut out
your own pleasant outlook, which would be a shame.

You're downhill of next door and nothing short of a 10 ft brick wall
will stop a determined spy from seeing in; so I would not be inclined to
do anything. Other than perhaps waving, loudly shouting Hello Mr Parker,
and holding up a camera as if they are the celebrity being pursued by
the paparazzi.

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On 2013-10-08 18:04:48 +0100, Nick Maclaren said:

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Janet wrote:

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Looks like pleached hornbeams.Someone is making a very labour intensive
tall, narrow privacy screen between the road and the house.

Hornbeams are a tree not a shrub.


Well, maybe - the problem is that the boundary between the two is
rather unclear. Hornbeam can be grown as a shrub (i.e. coppiced)
with no difficulty. I agree that is neither doing so nor anything
that looks even remotely sensible!


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.


I think it looks like someone has bought several of the pre-sale
espaliered fruit trees one can buy. Off the top of my head, I can't
remember all of them but I'm pretty sure that along with peach and
apricot, there's also apple, pear and plum. For those who aren't
familiar with this method, the frame is an A shape with several cross
pieces and the trees have already been tied into them. If we've got
any, I'll try taking a photo.
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On 2013-10-09 11:49:50 +0100, Sacha said:

On 2013-10-08 18:04:48 +0100, Nick Maclaren said:

In article ,
Janet wrote:

[ Fat table omitted ]

Looks like pleached hornbeams.Someone is making a very labour intensive
tall, narrow privacy screen between the road and the house.

Hornbeams are a tree not a shrub.


Well, maybe - the problem is that the boundary between the two is
rather unclear. Hornbeam can be grown as a shrub (i.e. coppiced)
with no difficulty. I agree that is neither doing so nor anything
that looks even remotely sensible!


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.


I think it looks like someone has bought several of the pre-sale
espaliered fruit trees one can buy. Off the top of my head, I can't
remember all of them but I'm pretty sure that along with peach and
apricot, there's also apple, pear and plum. For those who aren't
familiar with this method, the frame is an A shape with several cross
pieces and the trees have already been tied into them. If we've got
any, I'll try taking a photo.


These are youngsters but the ones in the OP's photo may well be more
mature versions. Afaik, they can be bought in all sorts of sizes.
There seems to be a combination of the A-frame and pleaching frames in
the photo. There is a beautiful pleached hornbeam hedge either side of
an allée at Roy Strong's garden, The Laskett and another lovely one at
Buckfast Abbey.
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Looks like pleached hornbeams.Someone is making a very labour intensive
tall, narrow privacy screen between the road and the house.

Hornbeams are a tree not a shrub.

Janet
There isn't quite enough resolution on the photos to make out the leaves, but we can see that they are roughly almond shaped with a toothed or irregular edge, so hornbeam is probably a good guess, especially since it is well known for this kind of work.

Hornbeam is not the only tree than can be trained in this manner. Pleaching - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia It is common to pleach mulberry in the mediterranean. But a key point is that it is a lot of work. Also it isn't much of a screen in the half of the year with no leaves.

The quickest and most reliable kind of screen is made of brick or wood or the like, also takes up very little space. Plants can then be put in front of it to decorate it.

You can also get a year-round screen just by planting a typical evergreen hedge, but you will have to maintain it. The trouble with really fast growing hedges is that they are more work to maintain in the longer runs. The trouble with sensible hedges is that they take a few years to get to the height you like. Some of the evergreen berberis are some of the easiest hedges, and occupying relatively little space as hedges go. Bamboo is another screen if you choose an evergreen kind, and is one of the few hedges that reaches a natural maximum height of its own accord. However it takes a few years to get there; is relatively expensive as a plant; and may need in-ground infrastructure to prevent it becoming invasive.
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On 09/10/2013 15:18, echinosum wrote:

Janet;993384 Wrote:
Looks like pleached hornbeams.Someone is making a very labour intensive

tall, narrow privacy screen between the road and the house.

Hornbeams are a tree not a shrub.

Janet

There isn't quite enough resolution on the photos to make out the
leaves, but we can see that they are roughly almond shaped with a
toothed or irregular edge, so hornbeam is probably a good guess,
especially since it is well known for this kind of work.

Hornbeam is not the only tree than can be trained in this manner.
'Pleaching - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia'
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleaching) It is common to pleach mulberry
in the mediterranean. But a key point is that it is a lot of work.
Also it isn't much of a screen in the half of the year with no leaves.

The quickest and most reliable kind of screen is made of brick or wood
or the like, also takes up very little space. Plants can then be put in
front of it to decorate it.

You can also get a year-round screen just by planting a typical
evergreen hedge, but you will have to maintain it. The trouble with
really fast growing hedges is that they are more work to maintain in the
longer runs. The trouble with sensible hedges is that they take a few
years to get to the height you like. Some of the evergreen berberis are
some of the easiest hedges, and occupying relatively little space as
hedges go. Bamboo is another screen if you choose an evergreen kind,
and is one of the few hedges that reaches a natural maximum height of
its own accord. However it takes a few years to get there; is
relatively expensive as a plant; and may need in-ground infrastructure
to prevent it becoming invasive.


You could try Miscanthus, not as expensive as bamboo dies off each
winter but regrows in the spring, the dead stems will still form a screen
Also Post and rail trellis with climbing roses, will give you a screen
for half the year.

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On 2013-10-09 16:32:24 +0100, David Hill said:
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You could try Miscanthus, not as expensive as bamboo dies off each
winter but regrows in the spring, the dead stems will still form a
screen
Also Post and rail trellis with climbing roses, will give you a screen
for half the year.


Or the evergreen Lonicera japonica Darts World or Holboellia.
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