I was putting in new eye hooks
and pulling the top of the rose
around the corner of the house
when the stem split lower down.

I've tied it up with string.
But insects could get in the split and kill it.

Shall I coat it with tar or PVA or woodglue
of foamy glue to stop bugs getting in
or leave it alone and hope
the sap will repair it from inside?

[george]
..

On Sat, 05 Apr 2014 12:22:29 +0100, george - dicegeorge
wrote:

I was putting in new eye hooks
and pulling the top of the rose
around the corner of the house
when the stem split lower down.

I've tied it up with string.
But insects could get in the split and kill it.

Shall I coat it with tar or PVA or woodglue
of foamy glue to stop bugs getting in
or leave it alone and hope
the sap will repair it from inside?

[george]
.

The last time I mended a split stem I used brown parcel tape. When I
moved house years later it was still stuck on and the stem had grown.

Steve


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Leave it alone. You're more likely to seal in disease. When you say "tied it up with string" I presume you mean you've "whipped" it, so that there's absolutely no possibility of the split moving within the string?

On 05/04/2014 15:10, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
On Sat, 05 Apr 2014 12:22:29 +0100, george - dicegeorge
wrote:

I was putting in new eye hooks
and pulling the top of the rose
around the corner of the house
when the stem split lower down.

I've tied it up with string.
But insects could get in the split and kill it.

Shall I coat it with tar or PVA or woodglue
of foamy glue to stop bugs getting in
or leave it alone and hope
the sap will repair it from inside?

[george]
.

The last time I mended a split stem I used brown parcel tape. When I
moved house years later it was still stuck on and the stem had grown.

Steve




Yes, I've done something very similar and it does work. However, it
won't work if the rose stem is still bent or twisted so that the injured
area of stem is still agape. The two layers of stem must be bound
snugly together, as for a graft, so that they heal together.

--
Spider.
On high ground in SE London
gardening on heavy clay

On 05/04/2014 19:03, Spider wrote:
On 05/04/2014 15:10, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
On Sat, 05 Apr 2014 12:22:29 +0100, george - dicegeorge
wrote:

I was putting in new eye hooks
and pulling the top of the rose
around the corner of the house
when the stem split lower down.

I've tied it up with string.
But insects could get in the split and kill it.

Shall I coat it with tar or PVA or woodglue
of foamy glue to stop bugs getting in
or leave it alone and hope
the sap will repair it from inside?

[george]
.

The last time I mended a split stem I used brown parcel tape. When I
moved house years later it was still stuck on and the stem had grown.

Steve




Yes, I've done something very similar and it does work. However, it
won't work if the rose stem is still bent or twisted so that the injured
area of stem is still agape. The two layers of stem must be bound
snugly together, as for a graft, so that they heal together.

You might find insulating tape easier to use as it will give a nice snug
fit to the stem.

On 05/04/14 19:03, Spider wrote:
On 05/04/2014 15:10, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
On Sat, 05 Apr 2014 12:22:29 +0100, george - dicegeorge
wrote:

I was putting in new eye hooks
and pulling the top of the rose
around the corner of the house
when the stem split lower down.

I've tied it up with string.
But insects could get in the split and kill it.

Shall I coat it with tar or PVA or woodglue
of foamy glue to stop bugs getting in
or leave it alone and hope
the sap will repair it from inside?

[george]
.

The last time I mended a split stem I used brown parcel tape. When I
moved house years later it was still stuck on and the stem had grown.

Steve




Yes, I've done something very similar and it does work. However, it
won't work if the rose stem is still bent or twisted so that the injured
area of stem is still agape. The two layers of stem must be bound
snugly together, as for a graft, so that they heal together.

I've just been out by torch light and applied 3 woodwork clamps, will
try to tie it tighter tomorrow.

Watering and feeding it might help - shall i buy special rose feed?

[g]

On 05/04/2014 22:22, george - dicegeorge wrote:
On 05/04/14 19:03, Spider wrote:
On 05/04/2014 15:10, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
On Sat, 05 Apr 2014 12:22:29 +0100, george - dicegeorge
wrote:

I was putting in new eye hooks
and pulling the top of the rose
around the corner of the house
when the stem split lower down.

I've tied it up with string.
But insects could get in the split and kill it.

Shall I coat it with tar or PVA or woodglue
of foamy glue to stop bugs getting in
or leave it alone and hope
the sap will repair it from inside?

[george]
.

The last time I mended a split stem I used brown parcel tape. When I
moved house years later it was still stuck on and the stem had grown.

Steve




Yes, I've done something very similar and it does work. However, it
won't work if the rose stem is still bent or twisted so that the injured
area of stem is still agape. The two layers of stem must be bound
snugly together, as for a graft, so that they heal together.

I've just been out by torch light and applied 3 woodwork clamps, will
try to tie it tighter tomorrow.

Watering and feeding it might help - shall i buy special rose feed?

[g]

What you haven't said and no one has asked is
How thick is the stem?
Must be quite large if you can clamp it.

Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
On Sat, 05 Apr 2014 12:22:29 +0100, george - dicegeorge
wrote:

I was putting in new eye hooks
and pulling the top of the rose
around the corner of the house
when the stem split lower down.

I've tied it up with string.
But insects could get in the split and kill it.

Shall I coat it with tar or PVA or woodglue
of foamy glue to stop bugs getting in
or leave it alone and hope
the sap will repair it from inside?

[george]
.

The last time I mended a split stem I used brown parcel tape. When I
moved house years later it was still stuck on and the stem had grown.

Steve

I used cable ties, fencing wire and a 100mm brass screw to fix a branch that
split on the trunk of a Magnolia tree some 10 years ago. The split is now
repaired and cable ties, wire and screw are now covered over with bark - and
the Magnolia is flowering magnificantly this year.

Question, how do you stop grandchildren from climbing the tree - without the
use of barbed wire, electrified fence or nailing their feet to the patio
blocks etc? ;-)

On 05/04/2014 23:14, Let It Be wrote:
Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
On Sat, 05 Apr 2014 12:22:29 +0100, george - dicegeorge
wrote:

I was putting in new eye hooks
and pulling the top of the rose
around the corner of the house
when the stem split lower down.

I've tied it up with string.
But insects could get in the split and kill it.

Shall I coat it with tar or PVA or woodglue
of foamy glue to stop bugs getting in
or leave it alone and hope
the sap will repair it from inside?

[george]
.

The last time I mended a split stem I used brown parcel tape. When I
moved house years later it was still stuck on and the stem had grown.

Steve

I used cable ties, fencing wire and a 100mm brass screw to fix a branch that
split on the trunk of a Magnolia tree some 10 years ago. The split is now
repaired and cable ties, wire and screw are now covered over with bark - and
the Magnolia is flowering magnificantly this year.

Question, how do you stop grandchildren from climbing the tree - without the
use of barbed wire, electrified fence or nailing their feet to the patio
blocks etc? ;-)


Why stop them?
Didn't you climb trees when you were their age?

In article , lid says...

Question, how do you stop grandchildren from climbing the tree - without the
use of barbed wire, electrified fence or nailing their feet to the patio
blocks etc? ;-)

The word "no" still works perfectly IME. For some children the novelty
value alone makes it highly effective :-)


Janet

On 05/04/2014 22:22, george - dicegeorge wrote:
On 05/04/14 19:03, Spider wrote:
On 05/04/2014 15:10, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
On Sat, 05 Apr 2014 12:22:29 +0100, george - dicegeorge
wrote:

I was putting in new eye hooks
and pulling the top of the rose
around the corner of the house
when the stem split lower down.

I've tied it up with string.
But insects could get in the split and kill it.

Shall I coat it with tar or PVA or woodglue
of foamy glue to stop bugs getting in
or leave it alone and hope
the sap will repair it from inside?

[george]
.

The last time I mended a split stem I used brown parcel tape. When I
moved house years later it was still stuck on and the stem had grown.

Steve




Yes, I've done something very similar and it does work. However, it
won't work if the rose stem is still bent or twisted so that the injured
area of stem is still agape. The two layers of stem must be bound
snugly together, as for a graft, so that they heal together.

I've just been out by torch light and applied 3 woodwork clamps, will
try to tie it tighter tomorrow.

Watering and feeding it might help - shall i buy special rose feed?

[g]




The entire rose might be glad of a feed now but, on the other hand, I
wouldn't want to feed a sick rose. Wait until you've bound the stem
tightly with tape, then maybe give it a weak general feed to promote
growth in the rose overall, but not so much that it stresses the wounded
stem. Afterall, you wouldn't want a huge feast if you were feeling
unwell. When the rose starts to make flower buds, give it a high potash
feed (rose fertiliser, tomato food) then, but don't be over-generous.
Do water it well (once bound), especially since it's planted close to
the house, where such borders are generally dry.

--
Spider.
On high ground in SE London
gardening on heavy clay

On Sat, 05 Apr 2014 19:43:16 +0100, David Hill wrote:

On 05/04/2014 19:03, Spider wrote:

Yes, I've done something very similar and it does work. However, it
won't work if the rose stem is still bent or twisted so that the
injured area of stem is still agape. The two layers of stem must be
bound snugly together, as for a graft, so that they heal together.

You might find insulating tape easier to use as it will give a nice snug
fit to the stem.

Insulating tape is great stuff for mending stems. You might think the
plant would resent having it pulled off, but it seems to come clean off
most stems. I've used it for roses and maples too.



--
Gardening in Lower Normandy

David Hill wrote:
On 05/04/2014 23:14, Let It Be wrote:
Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
On Sat, 05 Apr 2014 12:22:29 +0100, george - dicegeorge
wrote:

I was putting in new eye hooks
and pulling the top of the rose
around the corner of the house
when the stem split lower down.

I've tied it up with string.
But insects could get in the split and kill it.

Shall I coat it with tar or PVA or woodglue
of foamy glue to stop bugs getting in
or leave it alone and hope
the sap will repair it from inside?

[george]
.

The last time I mended a split stem I used brown parcel tape. When I
moved house years later it was still stuck on and the stem had
grown. Steve

I used cable ties, fencing wire and a 100mm brass screw to fix a
branch that split on the trunk of a Magnolia tree some 10 years
ago. The split is now repaired and cable ties, wire and screw are
now covered over with bark - and the Magnolia is flowering
magnificantly this year. Question, how do you stop grandchildren from
climbing the tree -
without the use of barbed wire, electrified fence or nailing their
feet to the patio blocks etc? ;-)


Why stop them?
Didn't you climb trees when you were their age?

I did, quite often especially when I was after conkers - and I had the
broken arm and bent wrist as souvenirs!

Now the real reason: the fact that the 5, 4 and 2 year old brothers all want
to climb it - and they are a little young to do that.

Janet wrote:
In article , lid says...

Question, how do you stop grandchildren from climbing the tree -
without the use of barbed wire, electrified fence or nailing their
feet to the patio blocks etc? ;-)

The word "no" still works perfectly IME. For some children the
novelty value alone makes it highly effective :-)


Janet

They respond to the word no quite well when we are around to enforce it [1]
but the garden is such that they can be out of our sight quite easily and
quickly - and the three brothers are rather adventurous and have no fear.

[1] We are of the 'old school' of rearing children and we treat them
exactly the same way the we treated our own before the the idiotic 'let the
kids do their own thing irrespective of consquences' brigade were even
thought of (the nearest to them at the time was the forerunner of the
namby-pamby don't discipline the kids idiots - one Dr Benjamin McLane Spock
"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Spock and that is discipline,
politness and manners (an apparent crime today).

On 06/04/14 21:28, Let It Be wrote:
David Hill wrote:
On 05/04/2014 23:14, Let It Be wrote:
Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
On Sat, 05 Apr 2014 12:22:29 +0100, george - dicegeorge
wrote:

I was putting in new eye hooks
and pulling the top of the rose
around the corner of the house
when the stem split lower down.

I've tied it up with string.
But insects could get in the split and kill it.

Shall I coat it with tar or PVA or woodglue
of foamy glue to stop bugs getting in
or leave it alone and hope
the sap will repair it from inside?

[george]
.

The last time I mended a split stem I used brown parcel tape. When I
moved house years later it was still stuck on and the stem had
grown. Steve

I used cable ties, fencing wire and a 100mm brass screw to fix a
branch that split on the trunk of a Magnolia tree some 10 years
ago. The split is now repaired and cable ties, wire and screw are
now covered over with bark - and the Magnolia is flowering
magnificantly this year. Question, how do you stop grandchildren from
climbing the tree -
without the use of barbed wire, electrified fence or nailing their
feet to the patio blocks etc? ;-)


Why stop them?
Didn't you climb trees when you were their age?

I did, quite often especially when I was after conkers - and I had the
broken arm and bent wrist as souvenirs!

Now the real reason: the fact that the 5, 4 and 2 year old brothers all want
to climb it - and they are a little young to do that.


I've put barbed wire in the new young branch in the apple tree which in
five years time i want to leave as the main branch and chop off the
existing sloping branches.

There are other trees for the kids to climb.

'Nudge'

[g]