Having retired, I had to change newserver, which (inter alia) meant
upgrading my newsreader. Oh, God, what a heap of manure :-(

Regards,
Nick.

On 19/10/2015 13:47, Nick Maclaren wrote:
Having retired, I had to change newserver, which (inter alia) meant
upgrading my newsreader. Oh, God, what a heap of manure :-(

Regards,
Nick.

Nice to see you, to see you nice! Now where have I heard that before?

"Nick Maclaren" wrote


Having retired, I had to change newserver, which (inter alia) meant
upgrading my newsreader. Oh, God, what a heap of manure :-(

I wondered where you had got to. Must say, if you found it a pain in the
butt think what the rest of us go through. :-)
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On 19/10/2015 13:47, Nick Maclaren wrote:
Having retired, I had to change newserver, which (inter alia) meant
upgrading my newsreader. Oh, God, what a heap of manure :-(

Regards,
Nick.



Nice to see you back, Nick. Hope you're happy with your newsreader now.
I suggest you put that heap of manure on the compost heap ;~).

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On high ground in SE London
Gardening on heavy clay

(Nick Maclaren) wrote:

Having retired, I had to change newserver, which (inter alia) meant
upgrading my newsreader. Oh, God, what a heap of manure :-(

Nick:

Think of it as compost to feed the brain!
And welcome to the world of "leisure." Like most of us, you'll wonder how
you ever had time to go to work!


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On 19/10/15 13:47, Nick Maclaren wrote:
Having retired, I had to change newserver, which (inter alia) meant
upgrading my newsreader. Oh, God, what a heap of manure :-(

Somehow I couldn't see you going over to Facebook and Twitter. Welcome
to the land of the non-idle, where you'll soon wonder how you ever found
time to work.

Why did you choose to use TRN4 as your newsreader? As you are using
Linux, why not use something like Thunderbird or Pan?

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Jeff

On 10/19/15 18:32, Jeff Layman wrote:

Why did you choose to use TRN4 as your newsreader? As you are using
Linux, why not use something like Thunderbird or Pan?

This is an attempt to reply using thunderbox, since trn seems to be
bizarrely broken as far as following-up goes. Let's see if THIS
works.

Because, configured and run in rn mode, it has the least loathesome
ergonomics. I tried pan, and it's unspeakably ghastly (even if it
worked reliably, which it didn't). Thunderbird is a (nasty) mail
client, not a newsreader; while I have configured it as the latter,
it's ergonomics are horrible, too.

Note that I don't object to competently designed pictorial interfaces,
and once used to use xrn, but anything based on (now wash my mouth out
with soap) curses or its camp followers is even worse than pan.

Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

On 19/10/2015 11:47 PM, Nick Maclaren wrote:
Having retired, I had to change newserver, which (inter alia) meant
upgrading my newsreader. Oh, God, what a heap of manure :-(

LOL. Been there, done that, agree about manure. Welcome back.

On Mon, 19 Oct 2015 19:31:31 +0100,
Nick Maclaren wrote:
Note that I don't object to competently designed pictorial interfaces,
and once used to use xrn, but anything based on (now wash my mouth out
with soap) curses or its camp followers is even worse than pan.

in which respect?

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On Mon, 19 Oct 2015 19:31:31 +0100, Nick Maclaren wrote:

Because, configured and run in rn mode, it has the least loathesome
ergonomics. I tried pan, and it's unspeakably ghastly (even if it
worked reliably, which it didn't). Thunderbird is a (nasty) mail
client, not a newsreader; while I have configured it as the latter,
it's ergonomics are horrible, too.

I quite hated pan in the beginning but after several years have gotten
used to it. It is much more reliable than Tbird although I still use the
latter for mail, it really is useless for ngs.

Welcome back and congrats on your retirement. Now you'll have time to
explore all those network topologies in topiary.

-E

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On 10/20/15 12:23, Michael Uplawski wrote:

Note that I don't object to competently designed pictorial interfaces,
and once used to use xrn, but anything based on (now wash my mouth out
with soap) curses or its camp followers is even worse than pan.

in which respect?

It's mandatory featuritis, for a start. I absolutely LOATHE threaded
interfaces, because they make it hell to glance at new messages, and
later respond to the new ones when time permits. Just stepping back
(or forward from the last place) is so much easier. Using tags is a
pain.

It claims that it is displaying in black on white, but actually is
mainly royal blue and a hard-toread grey for my responses.

And its handling of long lines is seriously broken.

Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

On Tue, 20 Oct 2015 18:56:16 +0100,
Nick Maclaren wrote:
On 10/20/15 12:23, Michael Uplawski wrote:

Note that I don't object to competently designed pictorial interfaces,
and once used to use xrn, but anything based on (now wash my mouth out
with soap) curses or its camp followers is even worse than pan.

in which respect?

It's mandatory featuritis, for a start. I absolutely LOATHE threaded
interfaces, because they make it hell to glance at new messages, and
later respond to the new ones when time permits. Just stepping back
(or forward from the last place) is so much easier. Using tags is a
pain.

You obviously talk about Pan, which I do not like, either. But as go
curses-based readers, here are three screen-shots of SLRN. I do not
add claims, boasts or praises:

http://pix.toile-libre.org/?img=1445452631.png
http://pix.toile-libre.org/?img=1445452674.png
http://pix.toile-libre.org/?img=1445452714.png

That's what I use since about 2000 (the year).

Michael
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On 10/21/15 19:41, Michael Uplawski wrote:

You obviously talk about Pan, which I do not like, either. But as go
curses-based readers, here are three screen-shots of SLRN.

I'll take a look at it, though it's the fundamental misdesign of curses
that I loathe, and have done since it was perpetrated.

Regards,
Nick Maclaren.