On 25/10/17 11:55, Al_4 wrote:
On Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 11:53:40 AM UTC+1, Al_4 wrote:
Dave, Malcolm, Martin,

Thank you so much for the great guidance...

On Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 9:13:40 AM UTC+1, Martin Brown wrote:

The main problem is the stuff is around the tree now so reinfection net
year is almost inevitable. Copper fungicide will slow it down.

Hmm.. that's helpful (albeit somewhat worrying). When should I spray the copper fungicide? (Now [Oct], or just before next Spring?) Alternatively, if I were to destroy the tree and plant a new one in its place, is it likely that the new one would become infected by the spores left behind by the old one? I'm hoping I can cure the existing tree, because I've put lots of time and effort into training it to a specific shape, to provide ideal shade over a certain sitting spot on my patio. So far, the disease has not spread to neigbouring fruit trees, but is there a danger this could happen? (I have apple trees, and another plum within a few meters of the infected plum tree.)

TIA,

Al

PS... All the old leaves are now fallen and today is a still day, so ideal for spraying..

Are you in the UK? If so, where did you get your Boardeaux Mixture? Its
use by amateurs in the EU has been banned for a couple of years (see
https://www.rhs.org.uk/advice/profile?PID=820). The only copper
product approved (copper oxychloride) is for use on grapes.

I hope there will be a review of withdrawn chemicals after we Brexit,
but I'm not holding my breath. :-(

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Jeff

On Wed, 25 Oct 2017 19:23:33 +0100, Jeff Layman wrote:

On 25/10/17 11:55, Al_4 wrote:
On Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 11:53:40 AM UTC+1, Al_4 wrote:
Dave, Malcolm, Martin,

Thank you so much for the great guidance...

On Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 9:13:40 AM UTC+1, Martin Brown
wrote:

The main problem is the stuff is around the tree now so reinfection
net year is almost inevitable. Copper fungicide will slow it down.

Hmm.. that's helpful (albeit somewhat worrying). When should I spray
the copper fungicide? (Now [Oct], or just before next Spring?)
Alternatively, if I were to destroy the tree and plant a new one in
its place, is it likely that the new one would become infected by the
spores left behind by the old one? I'm hoping I can cure the existing
tree, because I've put lots of time and effort into training it to a
specific shape, to provide ideal shade over a certain sitting spot on
my patio. So far, the disease has not spread to neigbouring fruit
trees, but is there a danger this could happen? (I have apple trees,
and another plum within a few meters of the infected plum tree.)

TIA,

Al

PS... All the old leaves are now fallen and today is a still day, so
ideal for spraying..

Are you in the UK? If so, where did you get your Boardeaux Mixture? Its
use by amateurs in the EU has been banned for a couple of years (see
https://www.rhs.org.uk/advice/profile?PID=820). The only copper
product approved (copper oxychloride) is for use on grapes.

I hope there will be a review of withdrawn chemicals after we Brexit,
but I'm not holding my breath. :-(

Plenty of confusion around about the ban or lack of it.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Vitax-Ltd-Copper-Mixture-175g/dp/B00S1GMC7E

is generally pointed to as either re-badged Bordeaux Mixture or an
acceptable alternative.

Spraying seems to be during winter after all the leaves and other rubbish
have been cleared up and burned.

Needs to be done on a dry day.


Cheers


Dave R

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On Wed, 25 Oct 2017 19:23:33 +0100, Jeff Layman
wrote:


Are you in the UK? If so, where did you get your Boardeaux Mixture? Its
use by amateurs in the EU has been banned for a couple of years (see
https://www.rhs.org.uk/advice/profile?PID=820). The only copper
product approved (copper oxychloride) is for use on grapes.

I hope there will be a review of withdrawn chemicals after we Brexit,
but I'm not holding my breath. :-(

Even if growers are allowed to use some again would produce that had
been treated with them be allowed to be imported in to the EU, sounds
like a potential way to bugger up any market for British produce that
may remain.

At least exports of Pork will be saving on transport costs,
All these wishes by those in favour of leaving for the UK to be free
from the influence of the EU even when the UK has left is leading to a
surfeit of Pigs with wings.

G.Harman

On Wed, 25 Oct 2017 19:23:33 Jeff Layman wrote:

Are you in the UK? If so, where did you get your Boardeaux Mixture? Its
use by amateurs in the EU has been banned for a couple of years (see
https://www.rhs.org.uk/advice/profile?PID=820). The only copper
product approved (copper oxychloride) is for use on grapes.

I was in Bricomarché in Falaise last week and Bordeaux Mixture was
readily available on the shelves.

David

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David Rance writing from Caversham, Reading, UK

On 27/10/2017 11:54, David Rance wrote:
Bordeaux Mixture
Try looking on line

On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 15:26:24 David wrote:

On 27/10/2017 11:54, David Rance wrote:

Bordeaux Mixture

Try looking on line

Sorry, I don't get your point. What do you want me to look online for? I
was responding to Jeff who said that the EU had banned its use by
amateurs.

I replied:

I was in Bricomarché in Falaise last week and Bordeaux
Mixture was readily available on the shelves.

pointing out that it is readily available in small quantities to
amateurs in France. Bricomarché is the equivalent of Homebase in the UK.

David

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David Rance writing from Caversham, Reading, UK

On Wed, 1 Nov 2017 15:57:25 Martin wrote:

On Wed, 1 Nov 2017 13:30:43 +0000, David Rance
wrote:

On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 15:26:24 David wrote:

On 27/10/2017 11:54, David Rance wrote:

Bordeaux Mixture

Try looking on line

Sorry, I don't get your point. What do you want me to look online for? I
was responding to Jeff who said that the EU had banned its use by
amateurs.

I replied:

I was in Bricomarché in Falaise last week and Bordeaux
Mixture was readily available on the shelves.

pointing out that it is readily available in small quantities to
amateurs in France. Bricomarché is the equivalent of Homebase in the UK.

If you look for it online you can still find people selling Bordeaux Mix in UK

sigh Yes, I know! You can buy just about anything online, whether it's
legal or not! That wasn't my point.

David

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David Rance writing from Caversham, Reading, UK

On 25/10/17 22:54, Martin wrote:
On Wed, 25 Oct 2017 19:23:33 +0100, Jeff Layman
wrote:

On 25/10/17 11:55, Al_4 wrote:
On Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 11:53:40 AM UTC+1, Al_4 wrote:
Dave, Malcolm, Martin,

Thank you so much for the great guidance...

On Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 9:13:40 AM UTC+1, Martin Brown wrote:

The main problem is the stuff is around the tree now so reinfection net
year is almost inevitable. Copper fungicide will slow it down.

Hmm.. that's helpful (albeit somewhat worrying). When should I spray the copper fungicide? (Now [Oct], or just before next Spring?) Alternatively, if I were to destroy the tree and plant a new one in its place, is it likely that the new one would become infected by the spores left behind by the old one? I'm hoping I can cure the existing tree, because I've put lots of time and effort into training it to a specific shape, to provide ideal shade over a certain sitting spot on my patio. So far, the disease has not spread to neigbouring fruit trees, but is there a danger this could happen? (I have apple trees, and another plum within a few meters of the infected plum tree.)

TIA,

Al

PS... All the old leaves are now fallen and today is a still day, so ideal for spraying..

Are you in the UK? If so, where did you get your Boardeaux Mixture? Its
use by amateurs in the EU has been banned for a couple of years (see
https://www.rhs.org.uk/advice/profile?PID=820). The only copper
product approved (copper oxychloride) is for use on grapes.

I hope there will be a review of withdrawn chemicals after we Brexit,
but I'm not holding my breath. :-(

You assume that DEFRA isn't responsible for putting some chemicals on the list?

I've no idea what DEFRA added, if anything, and with Gove now in charge,
I doubt anything will be removed. Whatever, DEFRA won't be responsible
for everything on the list, and perhaps Gove will blot his copybook
before Brexit and we'll have someone less Green in charge.

But I see glyphosate is still causing headaches for the EU. Yesterday's
non-decision will, I assume, have to be addressed by 15 December.

--

Jeff

On 26/10/17 11:53, Martin wrote:
On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 07:36:05 +0100, Jeff Layman
wrote:

On 25/10/17 22:54, Martin wrote:
On Wed, 25 Oct 2017 19:23:33 +0100, Jeff Layman
wrote:

On 25/10/17 11:55, Al_4 wrote:
On Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 11:53:40 AM UTC+1, Al_4 wrote:
Dave, Malcolm, Martin,

Thank you so much for the great guidance...

On Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 9:13:40 AM UTC+1, Martin Brown wrote:

The main problem is the stuff is around the tree now so reinfection net
year is almost inevitable. Copper fungicide will slow it down.

Hmm.. that's helpful (albeit somewhat worrying). When should I spray the copper fungicide? (Now [Oct], or just before next Spring?) Alternatively, if I were to destroy the tree and plant a new one in its place, is it likely that the new one would become infected by the spores left behind by the old one? I'm hoping I can cure the existing tree, because I've put lots of time and effort into training it to a specific shape, to provide ideal shade over a certain sitting spot on my patio. So far, the disease has not spread to neigbouring fruit trees, but is there a danger this could happen? (I have apple trees, and another plum within a few meters of the infected plum tree.)

TIA,

Al

PS... All the old leaves are now fallen and today is a still day, so ideal for spraying..

Are you in the UK? If so, where did you get your Boardeaux Mixture? Its
use by amateurs in the EU has been banned for a couple of years (see
https://www.rhs.org.uk/advice/profile?PID=820). The only copper
product approved (copper oxychloride) is for use on grapes.

I hope there will be a review of withdrawn chemicals after we Brexit,
but I'm not holding my breath. :-(

You assume that DEFRA isn't responsible for putting some chemicals on the list?

I've no idea what DEFRA added, if anything, and with Gove now in charge,
I doubt anything will be removed. Whatever, DEFRA won't be responsible
for everything on the list, and perhaps Gove will blot his copybook
before Brexit and we'll have someone less Green in charge.

But I see glyphosate is still causing headaches for the EU. Yesterday's
non-decision will, I assume, have to be addressed by 15 December.

Most of the bans are initiated by the Dutch, first chemicals are misused and
then the Dutch go into panic mode about accumulation of chemicals in their
ground water. In almost every case commercial use is still allowed after a Dutch
ban.

I'm not surprised. All the amateurs pollute everything with the
minuscule amount they use, whereas the commercial users are so careful...

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Jeff