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Rachel de Thame and national collections
TV tonight - Rachel de Thame
'a national Collection is a collection of a single *species*' ... then almost in the same breath 'the National collection of Crocus' ... so all crocus are the same species, are they? Is this TV dumbing down and protecting its viewers from difficult words like 'genus' which they don't understand? It surely can't be Rachel de T herself who doesn't understand the difference? This sort of thing does get me cross! -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm |
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could it be that she thinks that only place you would find genus is at a
Mensa meeting. -- David Hill Abacus nurseries www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk |
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"Kay Easton" wrote in message ... TV tonight - Rachel de Thame 'a national Collection is a collection of a single *species*' ... then almost in the same breath 'the National collection of Crocus' ... so all crocus are the same species, are they? Is this TV dumbing down and protecting its viewers from difficult words like 'genus' which they don't understand? It surely can't be Rachel de T herself who doesn't understand the difference? This sort of thing does get me cross! Kay Easton And she obviously does not read URG - she's still wearing the bloody cardigan round the bum......... Jenny |
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I still call them species and I like gardening. It's not that I'm not
intelligent, it's just what I grew up with. Charlie. "Kay Easton" wrote in message ... TV tonight - Rachel de Thame 'a national Collection is a collection of a single *species*' ... then almost in the same breath 'the National collection of Crocus' ... so all crocus are the same species, are they? Is this TV dumbing down and protecting its viewers from difficult words like 'genus' which they don't understand? It surely can't be Rachel de T herself who doesn't understand the difference? This sort of thing does get me cross! -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm |
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"Kay Easton" wrote TV tonight - Rachel de Thame 'a national Collection is a collection of a single *species*' ... then almost in the same breath 'the National collection of Crocus' ... so all crocus are the same species, are they? Is this TV dumbing down and protecting its viewers from difficult words like 'genus' which they don't understand? It surely can't be Rachel de T herself who doesn't understand the difference? This sort of thing does get me cross! Kay Easton The Webster dictionary (http://machaut.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/...h?WORD=species) has the following......... 3. In zoölogy and botany, a species is an ideal group of individuals which are believed to have descended from common ancestors, which agree in essential characteristics, and are capable of indefinitely continued fertile reproduction through the sexes. A species, as thus defined, differs from a variety or subspecies only in the greater stability of its characters and in the absence of individuals intermediate between the related groups. 4. A sort; a kind; a variety; as, a species of low cunning; a species of generosity; a species of cloth. I like that - "a species of low cunning" - they probably mean knotweed, marestail etc :~)) Jenny |
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In article , David Hill david@abacus
nurseries.freeserve.co.uk writes could it be that she thinks that only place you would find genus is at a Mensa meeting. Right. Dumbing down. -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm |
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In article , Charlie news@lowfidelit
y.NOSPAMorg.uk writes I still call them species and I like gardening. It's not that I'm not intelligent, it's just what I grew up with. Yes, but *what* do you call species? Crocus sativus, Crocus vernus as two species of crocus, and 'species crocus' to distinguish between them and the large flowered hybrids Or do you refer to Crocus as one species and snowdrop as another species, and heather as a third species, as did Rachel de T? Do people just not care that the botanical names are an attempt to encapsulate the evolutionary history of each plant? Do they just regard them as names given on a whim, rather like a 'name the teddy bear' competition at a local fete? -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm |
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In article , JennyC
writes 3. In zoölogy and botany, a species is an ideal group of individuals which are believed to have descended from common ancestors, which agree in essential characteristics, and are capable of indefinitely continued fertile reproduction through the sexes. A species, as thus defined, differs from a variety or subspecies only in the greater stability of its characters and in the absence of individuals intermediate between the related groups. So even Webster understands the difference! A genus is a group of species descended from the same ancestors, which agree in essential characteristics. BUT - the different species within a genus may or may not be capable of fertile reproduction with each other (and if they are, then in the wild they are separated by niche or habitat so such reproduction does not normally occur). And if reproduction between two species occurs, the result is a hybrid. Still in the same genus, but not the same as any of the existing species. -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm |
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"Kay Easton" wrote in message ... Or do you refer to Crocus as one species and snowdrop as another species, and heather as a third species, as did Rachel de T? Yeah, I do that. Although usually I just say "That's one type, and that's another". Do people just not care that the botanical names are an attempt to encapsulate the evolutionary history of each plant? Do they just regard them as names given on a whim, rather like a 'name the teddy bear' competition at a local fete? I care about how the names apply to the evolution, I just don't call them different "Genus", they're different types. Charlie. |
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In article , Kay Easton writes TV tonight - Rachel de Thame 'a national Collection is a collection of a single *species*' ... then almost in the same breath 'the National collection of Crocus' ... so all crocus are the same species, are they? Is this TV dumbing down and protecting its viewers from difficult words like 'genus' which they don't understand? It surely can't be Rachel de T herself who doesn't understand the difference? This sort of thing does get me cross! In one of the earlier programmes in the series, she visited the new Yorkshire RHS garden and both she and one of the gardeners there used the name Mare's Tail when looking at a border full of Horsetail and saying that it would have to be eradicated by spraying. OK, Equisetum is, sometimes, called Mare's Tail, though I'm not alone in thinking it shouldn't be, but the error was doubly confounded by the entry in the Radio Times which not only mentioned that they would discuss a problem with Mare's Tail but used the Latin name Hippuris vulgaris :-( If only all my Horsetail could be replaced by Mare's Tail.....! -- Malcolm |
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In article , JennyC writes "Kay Easton" wrote TV tonight - Rachel de Thame 'a national Collection is a collection of a single *species*' ... then almost in the same breath 'the National collection of Crocus' ... so all crocus are the same species, are they? Is this TV dumbing down and protecting its viewers from difficult words like 'genus' which they don't understand? It surely can't be Rachel de T herself who doesn't understand the difference? This sort of thing does get me cross! Kay Easton The Webster dictionary (http://machaut.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/...h?WORD=species) has the following......... 3. In zoölogy and botany, a species is an ideal group of individuals which are believed to have descended from common ancestors, which agree in essential characteristics, and are capable of indefinitely continued fertile reproduction through the sexes. A species, as thus defined, differs from a variety or subspecies only in the greater stability of its characters and in the absence of individuals intermediate between the related groups. 4. A sort; a kind; a variety; as, a species of low cunning; a species of generosity; a species of cloth. I like that - "a species of low cunning" - they probably mean knotweed, marestail etc :~)) I think you mean "horsetail". See my other post :-) -- Malcolm |
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In article , Kay Easton writes In article , Charlie news@lowfidelit y.NOSPAMorg.uk writes I still call them species and I like gardening. It's not that I'm not intelligent, it's just what I grew up with. Yes, but *what* do you call species? Crocus sativus, Crocus vernus as two species of crocus, and 'species crocus' to distinguish between them and the large flowered hybrids Or do you refer to Crocus as one species and snowdrop as another species, and heather as a third species, as did Rachel de T? Do people just not care that the botanical names are an attempt to encapsulate the evolutionary history of each plant? Do they just regard them as names given on a whim, rather like a 'name the teddy bear' competition at a local fete? When I'm in doubt as to what word to use I play safe and resort to that excellent word taxa (sing. taxon) which covers all possible descriptors from form to kingdoms! -- Malcolm |
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Malcolm wrote:
In one of the earlier programmes in the series, she visited the new Yorkshire RHS garden and both she and one of the gardeners there used the name Mare's Tail when looking at a border full of Horsetail and saying that it would have to be eradicated by spraying. OK, Equisetum is, sometimes, called Mare's Tail, though I'm not alone in thinking it shouldn't be, but the error was doubly confounded by the entry in the Radio Times which not only mentioned that they would discuss a problem with Mare's Tail but used the Latin name Hippuris vulgaris :-( If only all my Horsetail could be replaced by Mare's Tail.....! The danger of common epithets!-) Eg bluebells are not always bluebells;-) // Jim |
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Kay Easton wrote:
TV tonight - Rachel de Thame 'a national Collection is a collection of a single *species*' ... then almost in the same breath 'the National collection of Crocus' ... so all crocus are the same species, are they? Doh!-) Can we make a looped tape of this and post it back to the BBC?!-) And this after she just visited the NCCPG London Fair at Kenwood.. I didn't see last nights programme (will have to watch the repeat) but she was buying crates of plants like there was no tomorrow-) // Jim Is this TV dumbing down and protecting its viewers from difficult words like 'genus' which they don't understand? It surely can't be Rachel de T herself who doesn't understand the difference? This sort of thing does get me cross! |
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Do people just not care that the botanical names are an attempt to encapsulate the evolutionary history of each plant? Hurrah! (but I do wish I could remember - I have to look it up in 20,000 Leagues under the Sea when I need to know!) Mary |
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