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Rusty Hinge wrote:

: I think that Bramleys grow on their own rootstock.

Most bramleys in gardens (here in the uk) are grown on dwarfing root
stocks. The bramley is a very vigorous variety, and would make a large
tree on its own roots.

All the bramleys I've seen *ARE* big trees. We had two where I lived a a
kid, and the base of the trunk of one was nearly a foot across. The
other wasn't far behind.

sigh What with Barratt Hutches and pocket-handkerchief gardens, I
suppose some of the bramleys have to be restricted.

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: That said, I don't know how easy it is to get cuttings of fruit trees to
: strike.

: Stick them in the ground and they grow. I've never had any trouble.
: Except with rhubarb stalks.

That's at variance with my experience. Which varieties have you grown?

Ah well, I have green fingers. Bramley, russet, beauty of Bath, and one
whose variety I never knew, gean, blackthorn, damson - that I can think
of. I used to have a smallholding with more than a mile of hedgerows
round the fields, and in keeping with Norfolk tradition, I planted fruit
trees in amongst it. Often after friends had done their pruning.

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My attempts to make cuttings of plum, damson and blackthorn strike have
all failed (could be me of course, though I've succeeded with others), but
the CherryPlum (Myrobalam) strikes easily.

Treat 'em rough. In the autumn or winter, don't prepare the ground, but
make a hole with a spike and stick a foot of cutting into it. Heap sharp
sand round the base and water it in. Keep ground moist. Most of them
should strike. (Especially blackthorn!)

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Rusty Hinge wrote:
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: My attempts to make cuttings of plum, damson and blackthorn strike have
: all failed (could be me of course, though I've succeeded with others), but
: the CherryPlum (Myrobalam) strikes easily.

: Treat 'em rough. In the autumn or winter, don't prepare the ground, but
: make a hole with a spike and stick a foot of cutting into it. Heap sharp
: sand round the base and water it in. Keep ground moist. Most of them
: should strike. (Especially blackthorn!)

Could it be soil type. Basically I'm on heavy clay soil over coal
measures, that has been worked only over last 10/12 years. What's your
soil like?

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Could it be soil type. Basically I'm on heavy clay soil over coal
measures, that has been worked only over last 10/12 years. What's your
soil like?

Where I struck most of them was heavy clay verging on boulder clay over
chalk, about two miles from the moraine.

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Could it be soil type. Basically I'm on heavy clay soil over coal
measures, that has been worked only over last 10/12 years. What's your
soil like?

Where I struck most of them was heavy clay verging on boulder clay over
chalk, about two miles from the moraine.

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Could it be soil type. Basically I'm on heavy clay soil over coal
measures, that has been worked only over last 10/12 years. What's your
soil like?

Where I struck most of them was heavy clay verging on boulder clay over
chalk, about two miles from the moraine.

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Thanks for the replies. I much appreciate your suggestions.

Rajinder

"J Jackson" wrote in message
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David W.E. Roberts wrote:

: "Ch. Rajinder Nijjhar Jatt" wrote in
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: Hi,
:
: Which fruit trees could be grown from cuttings please?
:
: Could plum be grown?
:
: Rajinder
:
:
: Virtually all domestic fruit trees are grafted onto a wild root stock.

not wild - very selected and bred root stock. There are rootstocks to grow
multifarious sizes of final tree - mostly the dwarfing ones are used
because people don't have gardens big enough for a lot of fruit trees
growing on their own roots. Indeed some advocate advantages to growing
fruit trees on their own roots see

http://www.cooltemperate.co.uk/own_root.shtml

This of course implies you can propagate the trees. Not sure how they do
it, cuttings, layering, planting a budded/grafted tree low down so that
the graft if below soil level (maybe scoringround the graft) to encourage
root production from the scion? Once you have an own root tree, the most
productive production method would be stooling - cut back low down and
heap soil round the stump. New shoots will grow up thro' the soil and
hopefully produce roots - they can later be severed and tranplanted. I
believe that most root stocks for apples are reproduced this way.

: So growing cutting from a favourite fruit tree will probably not produce
: what you expect or want.

It will grow exactly the same variety (as long as it's not a cutting of
the root stock). My experiences with attempting fruit tree cuttings were
all failures. I understand there are certain apple varieties known for
being able to easily strike cuttings.

My attempts to make cuttings of plum, damson and blackthorn strike have
all failed (could be me of course, though I've succeeded with others), but
the CherryPlum (Myrobalam) strikes easily.

Rusty Hinge wrote:
: from J Jackson contains these words:

: Could it be soil type. Basically I'm on heavy clay soil over coal
: measures, that has been worked only over last 10/12 years. What's your
: soil like?

: Where I struck most of them was heavy clay verging on boulder clay over
: chalk, about two miles from the moraine.

Rusty, you've rekindled my interest in this, I'm going to revisit fruit
tree cuttings this autumn!

Jim

The message
from J Jackson contains these words:
Rusty Hinge wrote:
: from J Jackson contains these words:

: Could it be soil type. Basically I'm on heavy clay soil over coal
: measures, that has been worked only over last 10/12 years. What's your
: soil like?

: Where I struck most of them was heavy clay verging on boulder clay over
: chalk, about two miles from the moraine.

Rusty, you've rekindled my interest in this, I'm going to revisit fruit
tree cuttings this autumn!

I'll keep my fingers crossed from November onwards, then?

I'm looking for somewhere sensible to plant an apple tree. Wishing to
live to enjoy the fruits of my labours, it will be a good six-footer,
and I shall bud several varieties on to the stock as my garden is rather
small.

I already have plans for molishing a roof-garden on my tacked-on
bathroom (almost flat) roof, with plastic-lined wooden troughing all
round as a parapet, and an old cast-iron bath with a fig tree in it, and
something like strawberries beneath the tree.

The roof gets sun all day long as it is mantled against a south-facing
red brick wall.

Haven't decided what will be in the troughing, but potatoes seem a good
idea....

A black Hamburg is ready for planting out against the south-facing
gable-end, and I'm looking for suggestions for a good white dessert
grape. (I don't like white wine!)

Another 'must' is a Shiraz vine for the conservatory when it's finished.

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