http://money.independent.co.uk/perso...p?story=431709

Quitting the rat race of urban stress and heading for a new life in
the countryside is becoming increasingly popular. Research by the
Royal Institute of Chartered Surveyors shows nearly two-thirds of
farms sold between April and June were bought by non-farmers. Rob
Jeffrey, founder of NewLandOwners, says: "For them, it's living the
dream, but in many ways they are the saviours of the
countryside."...............
--
Martin

martin wrote in message ...
http://money.independent.co.uk/perso...tory.jsp?story
=431709

Quitting the rat race of urban stress and heading for a new life in
the countryside is becoming increasingly popular. Research by the
Royal Institute of Chartered Surveyors shows nearly two-thirds of
farms sold between April and June were bought by non-farmers. Rob
Jeffrey, founder of NewLandOwners, says: "For them, it's living the
dream, but in many ways they are the saviours of the
countryside."...............


There's a legal farce going on at present concerning the
Common Agricultural Policy which means that farmers who
sell or buy farms at the moment don't know exactly what they are selling or
buying. The result is that the market is dominated by
those who are getting out of farming and those who are not buying farms for
the purpose of farming them.

Presumably when those legislating get their act together,
farmers will be able to buy and sell farms again.

--
Anton

On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 06:28:20 +0000 (UTC), "anton"
wrote:


martin wrote in message ...
http://money.independent.co.uk/perso...tory.jsp?story
=431709

Quitting the rat race of urban stress and heading for a new life in
the countryside is becoming increasingly popular. Research by the
Royal Institute of Chartered Surveyors shows nearly two-thirds of
farms sold between April and June were bought by non-farmers. Rob
Jeffrey, founder of NewLandOwners, says: "For them, it's living the
dream, but in many ways they are the saviours of the
countryside."...............


There's a legal farce going on at present concerning the
Common Agricultural Policy which means that farmers who
sell or buy farms at the moment don't know exactly what they are selling or
buying. The result is that the market is dominated by
those who are getting out of farming and those who are not buying farms for
the purpose of farming them.

Presumably when those legislating get their act together,
farmers will be able to buy and sell farms again.

The reason that farmers are getting out is because without subsidies
many small farms aren't profitable. The CAP policy is to reduce
subsidies. New Zealand abolished subsidies completely some time ago.
There is no point in subsidising somebody to produce food at
uneconomic prices that nobody wants.
--
Martin

"anton" wrote
martin wrote
Quitting the rat race of urban stress and heading for a new life in
the countryside is becoming increasingly popular. Research by the
Royal Institute of Chartered Surveyors shows nearly two-thirds of
farms sold between April and June were bought by non-farmers. Rob
Jeffrey, founder of NewLandOwners, says: "For them, it's living the
dream, but in many ways they are the saviours of the
countryside."...............


There's a legal farce going on at present concerning the
Common Agricultural Policy which means that farmers who
sell or buy farms at the moment don't know exactly what they are
selling or
buying. The result is that the market is dominated by
those who are getting out of farming and those who are not buying
farms for
the purpose of farming them.

Presumably when those legislating get their act together,
farmers will be able to buy and sell farms again.
Anton

So how will the countryside look in, say, ten years time ??
Will it all be reverting to the wild :~))
Jenny

"JennyC" wrote in message

"anton" wrote
martin wrote
Quitting the rat race of urban stress and heading for a new life in
the countryside is becoming increasingly popular. Research by the
Royal Institute of Chartered Surveyors shows nearly two-thirds of
farms sold between April and June were bought by non-farmers. Rob
Jeffrey, founder of NewLandOwners, says: "For them, it's living the
dream, but in many ways they are the saviours of the
countryside."...............


There's a legal farce going on at present concerning the
Common Agricultural Policy which means that farmers who
sell or buy farms at the moment don't know exactly what they are
selling or
buying. The result is that the market is dominated by
those who are getting out of farming and those who are not buying
farms for
the purpose of farming them.

Presumably when those legislating get their act together,
farmers will be able to buy and sell farms again.
Anton

So how will the countryside look in, say, ten years time ??
Will it all be reverting to the wild :~))

We walk the footpaths of Surrey when not working the allotment and are
constantly coming across fields going wild because nothing is being done to
them, they aren't being managed. Even some of those that are used to graze
horses never seem to have the weeds removed so they gradually take over.
Mind you I heard Sky Larks for the first time in years this year, so it's
not all bad news.

--
Bob

www.pooleygreengrowers.org.uk/ about an Allotment site in
Runnymede fighting for it's existence.

martin wrote in message ...
On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 06:28:20 +0000 (UTC), "anton"
wrote:

The reason that farmers are getting out is because without subsidies
many small farms aren't profitable. The CAP policy is to reduce
subsidies.

?Que? Care to give me a source for this assertion? The
CAP is changing the payment systems (which is the legal farce
I referred to) towards land-holding/management subsidies, as opposed to
production subsidies.

New Zealand abolished subsidies completely some time ago.
There is no point in subsidising somebody to produce food at
uneconomic prices that nobody wants.


True. There is however every point in making legislative
changes in a controlled manner, instead of broad-brush arm-waving nonsense
which comes into force before the
legislative wallies have worked out the details.

--
Anton

martin wrote in message ...
On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 06:28:20 +0000 (UTC), "anton"
wrote:

The reason that farmers are getting out is because without subsidies
many small farms aren't profitable. The CAP policy is to reduce
subsidies.

?Que? Care to give me a source for this assertion? The
CAP is changing the payment systems (which is the legal farce
I referred to) towards land-holding/management subsidies, as opposed to
production subsidies.

New Zealand abolished subsidies completely some time ago.
There is no point in subsidising somebody to produce food at
uneconomic prices that nobody wants.


True. There is however every point in making legislative
changes in a controlled manner, instead of broad-brush arm-waving nonsense
which comes into force before the
legislative wallies have worked out the details.

--
Anton

In message , JennyC
writes

So how will the countryside look in, say, ten years time ??
Will it all be reverting to the wild :~))
Jenny

An increasing amount of subsidy is going to be redirected from
production based schemes to agri-environment schemes which will
encourage better environmental management.
--
Robert

JennyC wrote in message ...


So how will the countryside look in, say, ten years time ??
Will it all be reverting to the wild :~))


Dunno. My little bit of the countryside will see probably
see further hayfield depletion in favour of fruits and nuts,
though. Last winter I smuggled a load of hazelnuts and
cherry plums and a few more stone fruit past the Finance
Committee, disguised as hedging. However, this winter
the Finance C'tee will still be recovering from the planned
Major Edifice which will be replacing the Fallen-Down Shed,
so any fruit planting might cause a Diplomatic Incident.

--
Anton

I suspect that in ten years time the countryside will be covered in grass with
holes full of sand dotted around. The grass will be cut short and have flags
sticking out of it. Of course the farmers will then be subsidised according to
how many golf carts they can fill. This will mean moving golfers around the
country at dead of night.
Bill Pritchard
Retired and Emotional

On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 20:31:40 +0100, Robert wrote:

In message , JennyC
writes

So how will the countryside look in, say, ten years time ??
Will it all be reverting to the wild :~))
Jenny

An increasing amount of subsidy is going to be redirected from
production based schemes to agri-environment schemes which will
encourage better environmental management.

what ever that means
--
Martin

On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 19:42:19 +0000 (UTC), "anton"
wrote:


JennyC wrote in message ...


So how will the countryside look in, say, ten years time ??
Will it all be reverting to the wild :~))


Dunno. My little bit of the countryside will see probably
see further hayfield depletion in favour of fruits and nuts,
though. Last winter I smuggled a load of hazelnuts and
cherry plums and a few more stone fruit past the Finance
Committee, disguised as hedging. However, this winter
the Finance C'tee will still be recovering from the planned
Major Edifice which will be replacing the Fallen-Down Shed,
so any fruit planting might cause a Diplomatic Incident.

LOL !
--
Martin

On 15 Aug 2003 20:33:37 GMT, (Bill Pritchard)
wrote:

I suspect that in ten years time the countryside will be covered in grass with
holes full of sand dotted around. The grass will be cut short and have flags
sticking out of it. Of course the farmers will then be subsidised according to
how many golf carts they can fill. This will mean moving golfers around the
country at dead of night.

It's been like that in Bavaria for a decade/
--
Martin

On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 20:31:40 +0100, Robert wrote:

In message , JennyC
writes

So how will the countryside look in, say, ten years time ??
Will it all be reverting to the wild :~))
Jenny

An increasing amount of subsidy is going to be redirected from
production based schemes to agri-environment schemes which will
encourage better environmental management.

what ever that means
--
Martin

On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 19:42:19 +0000 (UTC), "anton"
wrote:


JennyC wrote in message ...


So how will the countryside look in, say, ten years time ??
Will it all be reverting to the wild :~))


Dunno. My little bit of the countryside will see probably
see further hayfield depletion in favour of fruits and nuts,
though. Last winter I smuggled a load of hazelnuts and
cherry plums and a few more stone fruit past the Finance
Committee, disguised as hedging. However, this winter
the Finance C'tee will still be recovering from the planned
Major Edifice which will be replacing the Fallen-Down Shed,
so any fruit planting might cause a Diplomatic Incident.

LOL !
--
Martin